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<headius>
Antiarc: yeah hard to avoid that, and we've had to deal with it in many libraries
<headius>
we're torn between keeping up to date with joda and introducing API incompatibilities
<Antiarc>
Is there any way to warn about conflicting versions being loaded? At least pointing out the issue with a warning or something might help at least triage the issue
<headius>
not really, not without osgi or java modules or something
<headius>
we can't tell what version it is without reflectively inspecting it
<headius>
we have done that in some places when we support multiple versions (e.g. Java 6, 7, 8 APIs) but not for individual libraries
<Antiarc>
ah, okay
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<JRubyGithub>
[jruby] enebo pushed 2 new commits to jruby-1_7: http://git.io/p3T_Iw
<JRubyGithub>
jruby/jruby-1_7 92a0c07 Chris Price: (MAINT) fix jnr-constants version in pom...
<JRubyGithub>
jruby/jruby-1_7 d0c00ed Thomas E Enebo: Merge pull request #2402 from cprice404/maint/jruby-1_7/fix-jnr-constants-version-in-pom...
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<Antiarc>
Happy new year to you all! :)
<lopex>
\o/
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<Antiarc>
Man, there are a lot of people that have assumed a lot of offense WRT rubyspec. Geez.
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<Antiarc>
I realize that it's a touchy subject, but it's perplexing to me that there is quite as much wrapped up in it as there appears to be.
<Antiarc>
OTOH, if this makes ruby "dead" and "uncool" and helps flush out the cargo culters, bring it on :D
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<rtyler>
Antiarc: what makes it frustrating, from my perspective, is that the Ruby Japanese community is somewhat insular and not able/willing to participate in this kind of blog/twitter discussion in the same way
<rtyler>
I see the same thing iwth the Jenkins .jp community
<rtyler>
just a culture mismatch
<Antiarc>
Yeah, I'm very aware of that. It's part of what has drawn me to jruby - it's just easier for me personally to work with a western English-speaking team that shares my culture.
<Antiarc>
It's not that MRI is particularly hard to work with, JRuby is just lower friction
<rtyler>
so the discussion tends to come off one-sided to outside observers
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<rtyler>
I've tried a number of times to help unify the jenkins.jp community with the western community
<rtyler>
it's too hard to be worth it IMO
<Antiarc>
It can defintely come off as one-sided, but I've never felt like it's hostile or exclusive - just "over there", and more difficult to integrate into than projects run by American or European maintainers
<rtyler>
I learned so much by actually visiting Tokyo and meeting with many of our contributors
<Antiarc>
And the existence of JRuby and headius' relationship with the MRI team proves that it's not an insurmountable barrier, either
<rtyler>
I think a trip to japan should be a requirement for people leading open source projects across continents :)
<Antiarc>
Anyhow, I was just reading various reactions to the whole thing on Twitter, and was just surprised at how...angry some people were at how MRI is run.
<Antiarc>
I don't think anyone would claim it's perfect, but the strength of the reactions really surprised me. Just really out of line with my experience, I guess.
<Antiarc>
But I guess part of that is the lack of balance in reactions from the .jp community
<Antiarc>
So it probably reads as more dire than it actually is.
<rtyler>
a primarily japanese open source community looks different than a primarily american one
<rtyler>
culture clash, yay
<rtyler>
anyways, that's what I read from some of the reactions
* rtyler
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<rtyler>
how 'bout that jruby 9000 amirite?
<Antiarc>
Indeed!
<Antiarc>
I've managed to shave around 5-8% off of bootup time in the last day, though I'm really not sold on the accuracy of my measurements.
<Antiarc>
Really hoping I can actually come up with something provably faster.
<rtyler>
I'm trying to reason about when I should start making JRuby 9000 test runs for our corporate CI system
<rtyler>
like, at what point should I invest the time to run 1.7.x and 9000 test runs
<Antiarc>
I'm personally feeling really good about the stability of 9k
<rtyler>
I'm less worried about stability and more about showing definite gains
<Antiarc>
I've been developing on it locally just as a way to smoketest stuff, though my CI and production deploy is still 1.7
<rtyler>
we have to wait for a release either way to go to production, since we use fat executable jars/wars
<Antiarc>
would it not work to just build an uberjar?
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<Antiarc>
(though I'd agree that an official release is ideal!)
<rtyler>
well, we can run the tests since we're using RVM in Jenkins for that
<rtyler>
but I can't practically ship anything until a proper jruby-complete-9000.jar hits maven central
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<JRubyGithub>
[jruby] trejkaz opened issue #2403: Unicode characters are lost when embedding JRuby even if the calling code performs no conversion to byte[] http://git.io/Lz0oBg
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<JRubyGithub>
[jruby] trejkaz opened issue #2404: File.mtime and friends return a date incorrect by an hour if created half a year ago http://git.io/mObLSw
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