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<plaes> hrm.. looks like even linaro guys don't know about sunxi boards: http://www.systemcall.org/blog/2014/06/trashing-chromebooks/ :(
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<amitk> plaes: allwinner only recently became a member, we try to use member HW as much as possible
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<ssvb> Wizzup: (moving from #linux-exynos) as for your cubie2 stability issues, maybe it's a good idea to try http://linux-sunxi.org/Hardware_Reliability_Tests
<Wizzup> Ah... Nice!
<Wizzup> Will do that
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<ssvb> plaes: sunxi boards are just too slow for their intended purpose
<ssvb> plaes: that was also one of the reasons why they disqualified beagle and panda
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<wens> they're using them as build platforms, need beefy cores
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<WarheadsSE> plaes: they also don't know to cleanly build a farm. We've only ever had an issue with a single ODROID XU, and we have them runing near 100% ~ 22h/day
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<WarheadsSE> properly clean power supply goes a long way.
<rah> 22 != 24
<rah> this may be critical
<WarheadsSE> rah: indeed, but I would still bet they got bigger underlying issues.
<WarheadsSE> We've got them in a more constrained space, but with proper air flow, etc thanks to a repurposed old IBM NetBay enclosure
<WarheadsSE> Now, sitting in open air on a shelf? That might be a lack of flow to help dissipation
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<buZz> can anyone tell me about A31?
<buZz> wiki says support is meh
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<libv> buZz: why don't you believe the wiki?
<buZz> because it might be outdated
<buZz> what i'm asking is, how far can i linux-ify a android A31 tablet?
<buZz> maybe A31S
<buZz> (it was listed as a boxchip a315, go figure)
<libv> buZz: no.
<libv> you do not believe it because it doesn't suit you.
<buZz> ok :)
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<popolon> {{reference needed}} could be added as on wikipedia :D.
<popolon> at least that always good to have some ref to hardware builder docs (if there are)
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<buZz> well ok
<buZz> guess i shouldnt buy that A31 tablet
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<wens> A31S is just an A31 with some stuff trimmed out
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<buZz> wens: yeah i figured
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<popolon> And what about the A33 ?
<popolon> A33 will officially support Android 4.4 and above from AllWinner, so no official multi-OS support like some other higher-end AllWinner SoCs.
<popolon> A80 could be nice else
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<buZz> yeah A80 should be coming this month
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<popolon> Cubietech make a board based on A80
<popolon> (will)
<buZz> yes
<buZz> they promised to release it in june
<buZz> cant wait :)
<popolon> :)
<popolon> No specs about the RAM
<ssvb> are there any good a31 (or sun6i) devboards?
<buZz> i hope it will be >2gb ram
<buZz> and i hope A80 will have sata
<buZz> afaik nobody has said that it will have sata :/
<shineworld> I'm searching for an A31 dev board too
<shineworld> actually I've dismantled a table to try some things....
<shineworld> *tablet
<popolon> but I suppose, as that's highend allwinner product, there will be sata. Pictures on cubietech post, that is a modified cubietruck picture display sata port at least
<shineworld> A80 (by specs in net) don't have sata
<shineworld> probably a usb to sata
<buZz> :( i hope not
<buZz> i hope it has real sata
<popolon> to add to wiki
<buZz> i really really desperatly need a manycore system with much ram and much storage :)
<shineworld> thanks for a31 link
<popolon> I like cb2 already with it's little GB , 2 cores and SATA port
<popolon> already works really fine
<shineworld> yes, cb2 works fine (also olimex version)... but depends by app to run
<popolon> sure
<shineworld> for eg: 1gb ram is often too low
<shineworld> "Sorry, this item is no longer available!" ... it's a pity
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<shineworld> 2gb ram
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<popolon> Merrii C31
<popolon> Merrii C30 sorry
<popolon> not humming A31 ?
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<popolon> there are lot of ALlwinner devboard at Merrii
<wens> The Cxx boards are for deployment, not development
<wens> anyway, last I checked my A31 hummingbird hasn't shipped yet
<shineworld> I've already a wandboard 4 core (http://www.wandboard.org/) with run on iMx6
<shineworld> also little brother 2 cores (dualite)
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<wens> if cubietech makes A80 boards, we should be able to get SDK and some docs I suppose
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<popolon> this work better than on my Core i7
<popolon> :)
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<alexvf> anyone here currently working on the video engine RE?
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<libv> something tells me that popolon does not own http://linux-sunxi.org/Hummingbird_A31 and http://linux-sunxi.org/Wiki/Zero_Devices_Z902
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<popolon> not at all
<popolon> I thought that was a good idea to add existing devices
<popolon> today some searched for A31 dev board
<popolon> there was no information about that on the wiki
<popolon> then added some other missing devices, if someone has it it could add more data
<popolon> I've a warning about apc_store() on the wiki now
<popolon> Warning: apc_store(): Potential cache slam averted for key 'sunxi-mw:user:id:1588' in /srv/http/sunxi/linux-sunxi.org/wiki/includes/objectcache/APCBagOStuff.php on line 59
<libv> popolon: no.
<libv> you either own it and are able to create a full page, or you just do not add it.
* libv is deleting these devices
<popolon> why for ?
<libv> popolon: because the NDH_TODO will be there _forever_
<popolon> I don't understant your statement, once again ?
<popolon> there are [[New Device page]] and the [[New Device howto]]
<libv> popolon: this wiki has a purpose, it should not collect random junk, it should not collect 1000s of devices which are just the template with a different title.
<popolon> I understood that
<libv> popolon: what if the new device page template changes?
<popolon> but this one was reported in lot of sites, there are good informations on it
<libv> popolon: why should i go bother changing pages which are direct copies, while i have 70 odd _real_ device pages to deal with
<libv> popolon: what hardware have you brought up yourself?
<popolon> you don't use scripts to adapt pages in this case ?
<popolon> cubieboard2
<libv> popolon: without direct access to the database?
<popolon> that the device I worked the most on
<libv> popolon: also. this category poking you are doing
<popolon> You edit the whole wiki without access to mediawiki API ?
<libv> popolon: devices only list devices, they do not need to have other pages in there (apart from the example)
<libv> popolon: yes.
<popolon> ???
<popolon> device category is related to devices
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<popolon> that's trange to not have pages speaking about devices in device category...
<popolon> Category is about helping people found information about a subject, isn't it ?
<libv> popolon: not in this case.
<popolon> that's the case in any kind of website (wiki, blog, shops, newspaper etc...)
<popolon> why for ?
<libv> what does it say: "This category collects all tablets."
<popolon> Yes and ?
<libv> what do you not understand of that?
<popolon> Do you thing this if annoying if there is link on page about tables on category tablets ???
<libv> yes.
<popolon> or do you think that adding tablets category in devices page will confuse users ?
<libv> where does the category devices start, and where does it end?
<popolon> around devices
<libv> now you are confusing things yourself.
<popolon> devices are devices
<popolon> tablets are devices
<libv> the http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_howto is not in category devices.
<libv> yet you just put it in there.
<libv> you are doing quite a lot of damage here.
<popolon> adding tablets pages in device help to find quickly device by category, aka : tablet, HPC, board, ...
<libv> popolon: stop this.
<popolon> which damage ???
<libv> popolon: read what i wrote: 01:34 < libv> the http://linux-sunxi.org/New_Device_howto is not in category devices.
<libv> 01:34 < libv> yet you just put it in there.
<popolon> I don't understand your willing to reduce easy information access
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<libv> popolon: because you are muddling things up.
<popolon> and don't understand what is damaging here ???
<libv> you are not making things easier.
<popolon> why for ?
<libv> the category devices, just collects all known devices.
<popolon> could you explain why muddling, and what is harder
<libv> not pages that might have something to do with devices
<libv> actual device pages.
<libv> none of the bullshit you just added.
<popolon> but that a limitation you want to do, have you a reason for that ?
<libv> we used to have a software and hardware category
<libv> it was created in the same notion
<libv> and it completely unearthed very quickly.
<libv> category devices just lists devices, nothing else.
<libv> what do you fail to understand?
<popolon> don't you thing it will confuse user to have two category about harware devices ?
<libv> wtf?
<libv> hardware devices?
<popolon> called harware and devices
<libv> oh, you would prefer them to all be in one and the same category?
<libv> why not just make a single category then?
<libv> or better
<libv> no categories at all.
<popolon> I just look at Category:Hardware
<libv> and?
<popolon> Hardware is more about comonents
<popolon> components
<libv> it's still pretty messy
<popolon> today that's about that
<libv> it should indeed be that, or it should be hardware hacking
<libv> it took me ages to get it there.
<popolon> I understand
<libv> popolon: did you bother to talk to anyone about the new device category you added?
<popolon> do you have more ideas about that and want help in one direction to improve that ?
<libv> or did you just do it?
<libv> and didn't think that anyone was allowed to have an opinion about it?
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<popolon> I just do it, thinking that was a good improvment, as adding french translation, when I seen korean, spanish and other languages translations
<popolon> libv, you have an opinion and speak about that
<popolon> I listen you isn't it
<libv> popolon: you implemented a rather fundamental change to our wiki
<popolon> didn't anything that was against my changes in the wiki, and think that help more that make dammage
<libv> and you didn't even bother to consult anyone.
<popolon> what is fundamental ?
<popolon> ???
<libv> if you fail to grasp that, you should not be making such far reaching changes.
<popolon> when I added missing informations about basic things this autumn, nobody react like this
<libv> you are not adding missing information
<popolon> there was lot of outdated inforamtion it seems just normal to add it
<libv> i still have to go through all the changes you made
<libv> but very few of them were adding missing information
<popolon> ....
<libv> you mostly were throwing categories around
<popolon> I feel like hearing dictatorship in a wiki in opensource software ?
<popolon> added some information about missing images
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<popolon> and not working anymore mirror images
<popolon> Do you thing that's damaging too ?
<libv> popolon: of the 50 odd changes you made, those perhaps have not been damaging
<libv> but overall, you have done a lot of bad
<popolon> adding information about existing devices is damaging
<libv> mnemoc, Turl: please read the above exchange
<popolon> helping found more easily information is damaging
<popolon> I really don' t understand what you mean ???
<libv> i would like to lock popolon his account until saturday, when i have some time to fix up things again, and when i can keep a very watchful eye on changes.
<popolon> yes I prefer to have opinion of several people please
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<libv> popolon: that's a first.
<popolon> hey, I'm not here for damaging !
<libv> popolon: yet you are very damaging nonetheless.
<popolon> I would like to help
<popolon> if there is a consensus about the way to go, I will accept it
<libv> popolon: and i currently am not able to spend the time to make sure you are not destroying all the work that has been properly put into this wiki.
<libv> popolon: again, that's a first for you
<popolon> ????
<popolon> O didn't removed any information
<libv> popolon: you do not get to play that card after you added a new devices category without consulting anyone involved.
<popolon> You removed lot of my (and other) work without saying anything to me so I've no chance to make backup
<popolon> but I don't want to destroy anithing
<libv> popolon: i can get that information for you, but i am not sure why you would want that.
<libv> i have spent a lot of time prying relevant information from the pages you created
<popolon> Once again, I really didn't see that like a damaging thing, and still don't understand
<popolon> you only had to ask me
<libv> do you understand why adding devices you just googled is counter-productive?
<popolon> Once again if you asked me at this time (I'm everyday on this channel since about one year)
<popolon> I would have read this and look if someone was missing
<libv> popolon: you are only sporadically here.
<popolon> I would prefer you work on Lima driver, we all need and you are the only one to have knowledge for
<libv> we had several extensive discussion about translations in here
<popolon> I'm here everyday
<libv> popolon: my sense of structure does seem to be rather unique
<popolon> if you highlighted me/asked me I had tried to answer to you
<libv> but not all day.
<popolon> today you asked something to me I immediatldy answered isn't it ?
<libv> nope.
<popolon> about one minute after
<popolon> I'm note here when I sleep, sure
<libv> 23:17 < libv> something tells me that popolon does not own http://linux-sunxi.org/Hummingbird_A31 and http://linux-sunxi.org/Wiki/Zero_Devices_Z902
<popolon> and some times on the W;E;
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<popolon> yes I was not here from 19:00 to 23:00 (paris time) today
<popolon> but most of the day
<popolon> well I don't want to troll all the night
<popolon> If there are rules about that I will follow
<libv> popolon: i am suspending your account until i have a chance to clean things up and handhold your future changes. i just cannot deal with this mess at this very moment, and i do not want to see more damage being doing, or me getting double work
<libv> mnemoc, Turl, oliv3r: ^
<popolon> I only wanted to help, as I started again to work on my cubieboard
<popolon> ???
<popolon> As you want, but I feel, that's more damaging than other
<libv> popolon: then please focus on your cubieboard
<libv> and not on re-rewriting our wiki and throwing it back into the middle ages.
<popolon> If you say there is a rule and need a consensus, I can wait until that's reached
<popolon> I didn't add languages after there was deleted isn't it ?
<popolon> I'm not rewriting the wiki !!!
<libv> popolon: well, you can also just not edit our wiki anymore until saturday, that works for me too
<libv> not even undoing the changes you made in the last few days
<popolon> just change some categories, added 2 devices, and added missing/out of date informations about distros those days
<libv> as then i have double the amount of work.
<popolon> and make links between images pages
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<libv> popolon: did you read what i just wrote?
<popolon> no problem
<libv> ok
<popolon> I can wait for saturday
<popolon> I wrote information in some text editors
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<popolon> and probably will add it on my blog if I have the time
<popolon> I'm more in experimantal phase, looking around what has changed those several month I was on other subjects