#linux-sunxi on 2016-01-15 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:00 <apritzel> catphish: so you rely on u-boot setting the PHY up for you?

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00:02 <apritzel> I wonder if it wouldn't be easier to code everything as a new u-boot cmd ...

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00:35 <catphish> i'll look into init'ing it fully

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14:02 <apritzel> hi, does it sound useful if I write some ARM64 intro somewhere into the Wiki?

14:03 <apritzel> mostly comparing and contrasting it to ARM(32)?

14:03 <libv> apritzel: we are not wikipedia

14:04 <libv> feel free to link to wikipedia pages though

14:05 <apritzel> libv: that's why I was thinking of a more technical description, focusing on people knowledgeable of 32-bit ARM and pointing out differences

14:12 <libv> apritzel: how relevant is that to support A64 SoCs and to get software running on them?

14:12 <libv> and to what extent is this not rehashing information that is available somewhere else?

14:12 <apritzel> to understand what Allwinner did wrong in their firmware ;-)

14:13 <apritzel> and how to fix it ...

14:13 <libv> then start off by explaining what allwinner did wrong, not with explaining armv8

14:14 <apritzel> done: http://linux-sunxi.org/Pine64#Boot_sequence

14:15 <libv> i and others spent ages getting structure into and removing cruft from our wiki, and most of that cruft was either copies of wikipedia or translations

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14:15 <libv> apritzel: that sounds like it belongs on the A64 soc page

14:16 <apritzel> kind of

14:16 <mripard> apritzel: more context would still be valuable, like why it's actually wrong, how it's supposed to behave, etc

14:16 <apritzel> not sure if the firmware provided isn't specific to the Pine64

14:16 <libv> and it in itself is a pretty apt explanation

14:17 <libv> apritzel: i really really doubt that the pine64 guys are doing anything much themselves

14:17 <apritzel> me too, but Allwinner may provide them with something specific to their board

14:18 <apritzel> like the DRAM parameters are surely DRAM chip specific, aren't they?

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14:18 <libv> yes, but switching to armv8 when starting u-boot, or switching to it much much later, is not a trivial difference like the setup of the dram controller

14:19 <libv> this is not going to be board specific

14:19 <apritzel> possibly, I guess I will move it to the SoC page then

14:20 <apritzel> actually to me switching to AArch64 sound much easier than setting up a DRAM controller ;-)

14:20 <libv> i do really like that explanation though, and imho it does not need more explanation at all

14:21 <libv> apritzel: perhaps, but perhaps they were scared of what they might run into with uboot, or perhaps (allwinners version of) uboot needs work

14:21 <apritzel> libv: Allwinner's u-boot is complete shite ;-)

14:21 <libv> dram controller setup is always board specific

14:22 <libv> whether it is more complicated than switching to aarch64 or not

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14:22 <apritzel> I was hoping to hack their u-boot to allow an upstream kernel to boot (in EL2), but now I will hack the kernel instead for a quick start

14:22 <libv> well, setup isn't, the configuration parameters are.

14:22 <tkaiser> apritzel: Have you had a look into http://www.murlock.org/a64/lichee_A64_A5.1_V1.0.tar.gz

14:23 <tkaiser> This one leaked before the pine guys put their variant of the BSP on google drive mid December

14:23 <libv> tkaiser: we should perhaps collect those on linux-sunxi.org so that those things do not drop off the interweb

14:23 <tkaiser> http://www.cnx-software.com/2015/12/10/allwinner-a64-android-5-1-sdk-and-linux-source-code/#comment-517449

14:23 <apritzel> tkaiser: interesting, I only have the one referenced by the Pine64 guys

14:24 <apritzel> but if the other one is even older, I don't expect anything good from it ;-)

14:24 <libv> and i am amazed that someone asked on that cnx thread whether there was a community for a64 :)

14:24 <tkaiser> But IIRC I was able u-boot back then with this BSP variant

14:24 <tkaiser> That contains nothing Pine64 specific

14:24 <libv> soc specific communities are soo 2012 :)

14:25 <apritzel> tkaiser: actually it doesn't need to, if DRAM setup has happened before

14:25 <apritzel> the rest can probably be rather board agnostic (apart from a DT, maybe)

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14:26 <apritzel> and they have a huge DT in their u-boot (have to find out where that comes from, but it prints with "fdt print")

14:26 <apritzel> of course mostly totally incompatible with any kind of mainline bindings

14:26 <apritzel> not to speak of the totally made-up and random additional bindings

14:27 <apritzel> the only good things is that it's a good source of Soc/board specific parameters

14:27 <apritzel> for instance it has a list of DRAM parameters

14:27 <libv> so they moved away from fex with a64?

14:27 * libv has not been paying that much attention these past few months

14:28 <apritzel> libv: looks like it to me

14:28 <tkaiser> Nope, still there

14:28 <libv> so now we have both?

14:28 <apritzel> tkaiser: in the BSP code?

14:28 <tkaiser> Yes: http://pastebin.com/26Q5tbXU

14:28 <apritzel> I found it being optional there (can be configured out)

14:28 <tkaiser> Both and maybe even conflicting :)

14:28 <libv> pffff

14:28 <tkaiser> Ok

14:29 <libv> then we need to start collecting both as well :(

14:29 <tkaiser> I played with this stuff in the mid of Dec and forgot almost everything in the meantime

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14:31 <tkaiser> apritzel: sys_config.fex being optional would make sense. They can provide their customers with what they're used to and get new customers to start over with DT instead

14:31 <apritzel> tkaiser: would make sense

14:31 <libv> but it does require that we collect both when available

14:31 <libv> *sigh*

14:32 <apritzel> I found their idea of structuring the firmware actually being quite OK

14:32 <mripard> apritzel: and the "made-up and additional bindings" is mostly fex "properties" they dumped into the DT

14:32 <mripard> so they didn't really moved away from it, it's just some frankentree

14:33 <apritzel> for instance moving the PMIC control into the firmware and using a generic driver communicating with the RISC core

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14:55 <wens> apritzel: that is actually very old, starting with A31

14:55 <wens> we just weren't using it

14:56 <apritzel> wens: ah, OK, but it sounds useful to me

14:56 <apritzel> IMHO the kernel shouldn't really be bothered with setting up voltages and stuff

14:57 <apritzel> sounds dangerous to me

14:57 <mripard> it depends

14:57 <mripard> sometimes you just don't have the choice :)

14:58 <apritzel> mripard: I see that when it comes to the quality of their existing firmware code, yes ...

14:58 <mripard> there's that

14:59 <mripard> but I was mostly talking about the voltage that can change

14:59 <mripard> for example, you might have a voltage changing when using an MMC

14:59 <mripard> at runtime

15:00 <mripard> and then, you have to have at least some control over your regulators

15:04 <apritzel> sure, but that again could be done by signalling the ARISC, which does some range checking on the requested voltage and prevents you from accidentally frying your card/board/chip ...

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15:05 <mripard> I wonder if we could write our own firmware based on rpmsg

15:08 <apritzel> mripard: sounds good to me (having just briefly browsed over Documentation/rpmsg.txt)

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15:09 <mripard> I have a basic driver that loads a firmware to the ar100 and starts executing it

15:09 <mripard> I was planning on porting it to remoteproc

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15:28 <vishnu_> mripard: h3 clock gates driver doesn't seem to be user friendly

15:29 <vishnu_> what would be ideal approach for gates clock?

15:29 <vishnu_> simple-gates or the h3 way?

15:30 <mripard> "user friendly" ?

15:30 <mripard> what do you mean?

15:31 <vishnu_> I mean, in person who write dts has to count 0-128 like that

15:32 <vishnu_> instead of referring to reference manual and use same bit number in dtsi

15:33 <mripard> simple-gates works the same way

15:33 <mripard> and you are referring to the reference manual

15:33 <mripard> the number in the is register * 32 + bit

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15:36 <vishnu_> yes, but in case of sun8i-h3.dtsi, gates clock indices ranges from 0-135.

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15:37 <mripard> well, yeah, there's more, but there's more register to control the gates as well

15:37 <mripard> the thing is we have to model the clocks per "block"

15:38 <mripard> the bus gates stuff is a single bloc

15:38 <mripard> so we don't really have much choice anyway

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15:40 <vishnu_> for A83T, do you mind if we go ahead with separate node for each 32-bit gates register ?

15:43 <mripard> please don't do that

15:43 <mripard> this is a single hardware block that is spread across several registers, it should be a single DT node and a single driver

15:44 <vishnu_> mripard: okie, thanks. I'll do it similar to h3.

15:50 <mripard> if you don't have multiple parents to the bus gates, you can just use simple-gates

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16:17 <ssvb> mripard: very cool, I was also going to start on ar100 driver for the linux kernel but if you can take care of it, then it is the best

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16:17 <ssvb> mripard: the biggest question is whether we can allow it to load and run untrusted code in linux

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16:25 <ssvb> mripard: I'm looking forward to checking a solution that you come up with

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17:51 <apritzel> mmh, is the SID register accessible from secure state only?

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22:34 <SMD1> Hi everyone!

22:34 <SMD1> I'm wondering if there are some owners of OPi Pc: have you succeeded to run eth and usb hosts in uboot?

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23:11 <ssvb> SMD1: uboot does not support this yet

23:13 <SMD1> ssvb: Thanks. Do you know if anyone works on this now? I'd like to help but I think I need some assistance and advice.

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23:23 <ssvb> SMD1: there are patches for USB host support on Allwinner H3 for the Linux kernel

23:23 <ssvb> you can try to have a look at them and port to U-Boot

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23:24 <ssvb> Ethernet is still not supported on H3, but montjoie is working on a driver for the Linux kernel

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