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<vagrantc>
it seems like orangepi plus2 is at least mostly software compatible with the orangepi plus, but are there subtle things like ram timings that are different that could lead to failure to boot randomly?
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<vishnup_>
ssvb: I tried, your a64 u-boot and fel patches, no issue in gettting u-boot prompt :)
<vishnup_>
AFAIU, to boot arm64 kernel we need to enable the booti instead of bootz
<vishnup_>
so, I enabled it in u-boot, it loads the arm64 "Image" kernel.
<vishnup_>
however, it failed to start. log msg:
<vishnup_>
Starting kernel ... undefined instruction pc : [<400800fc>] lr : [<7ff71ba4>] reloc pc : [<0a10f0fc
<vishnup_>
forgot to mention: kernel branch I tried was from apritzel
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<wens>
looks like rhombus tech is still alive
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<ssvb>
it makes sense to implement basic a64 support using a 32-bit kernel first
<ssvb>
and then move it to 64-bit, figuring out how the PSCI, SCPI and ATF fit the whole picture
<vishnup_>
ssvb: true, that seems good move, as we are not doing anything specific for arm64 for now.
<ssvb>
wens: how far have you advanced with the SPL support for A80?
<wens>
ssvb: not much
<wens>
i don't really understand the dram code :(
<wens>
any chance you could help on that front?
<wens>
i'd be more productive on pmic stuff
<ssvb>
I don't have the A80 hardware :(
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<vishnup_>
ssvb: It's on my todo, I'll try make it work this weekend
* vagrantc
has been looking for Cubieboard4/CC-A80 u-boot
<wens>
vagrantc: there really is none atm
<vagrantc>
something more recent thn the 2011-based version...
<vagrantc>
hrm.
<ssvb>
A64 is somewhat similar to A80 because it uses the same 0x10000 load address for the SPL, so I thought that some of the A64 bring up code can benefit A80 too
<vagrantc>
the A80-optimus appears to be in mainline u-boot
<wens>
vagrantc: only minimal support
<vagrantc>
hrm. i'll just have to figure out how to boot a modern kernel on that ancient u-boot version...
<vagrantc>
was surprised the cubieboard4 is so much worse off than the other cubieboards
<ssvb>
vishnup: do you mean the U-Boot SPL for A80?
<vishnup_>
Yes
<ssvb>
nice
<vagrantc>
vishnup_: would love to hear about progress
<vishnup_>
ssvb: do you have plan to decompile libdram for a64?
<wens>
vishnup_: thanks
<ssvb>
vishnup: the Pine64 people are discussing this issue with Allwinner now
<ssvb>
vishnup: but yes, (clean room) reverse engineering is always a valid backup plan
<vishnup_>
ssvb: I got to know that allwinner has plan to make it open source in Q3 2016
<wens>
that is ... late :|
<Deskwizard>
that is... very improbable.
<MoeIcenowy>
vishnup_: Q3...
<vishnup_>
ssvb: I'm not good at assembly, what I could understand from objdump is function names :(
<MoeIcenowy>
but blobs for a bascial guy like DRAM is unacceptable
<wens>
any chance we could consolidate common bits of various dram code, like calculating timing?
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<vishnup_>
wens: that's time consuming but someday we should do it.
<ssvb>
wens: probably yes
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<KotCzarny>
<rellla> mosterta: i needed ~120MB at most with VDR at 1080i...
<KotCzarny>
oops
<KotCzarny>
misclicked
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<jelle>
hmm wait what wil be opensourced?
<jelle>
oh nevermind
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<GeneralStupid>
ssvb: you did a lot of work on that cedarx stuff and also on that (deprecated) libhybris stuff. What's the problem with hybris, it sounds so brilliant when i read it first.
<GeneralStupid>
(in theory it fixes
<GeneralStupid>
*all* problems with hardware suppliers which forces on android dev)
<ssvb>
GeneralStupid: libhybris is a roundabout way to run proprietary software
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<ssvb>
we only did this experiment because the native linux blob provided by Allwinner had major bugs while the Android blob was working better
<TheLinuxBug>
Been debugging a chinese ip camera for a while its driving me nutz, I should have known better it has issues with light sensitivy and it somehow causes it to panic and reboot over and over
<TheLinuxBug>
ifeven though it has night IR LEDs if you make it dark it basically freaksout and reboots
<TheLinuxBug>
really annoying
<TheLinuxBug>
and of course I haven't found the root telnet password yet, it can't be something commone to make this easy
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<GeneralStupid>
ssvb: iam still searching for an easy way to use kodi... they are a bit fussy... arguing that they wont support allwinner because their is only a binblob... and if i told them there is an open source driver they said:"no theres nit"
<MoeIcenowy>
and it has only a host-only USB2.0 slot
<MoeIcenowy>
only one
<MoeIcenowy>
(and a OTG one
<plaes>
no headphone?
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<MoeIcenowy>
it has no audio input
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<jelle>
MoeIcenowy: who needs it! :p
<jelle>
yeah it's a pretty stripped orange pi pc
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<jelle>
and the orange pi pc is 14 euro I think so hrrm
<yann|work>
gasp, it was not in their store 10h ago when I ordered a pi pc :)
<yann|work>
how time flies...
<jelle>
well the orange pi pc is probably a better buy anyway
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<tkaiser>
yann|work: Remember that I wold you 'bout Orange Pi One two weeks ago? ;)
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<tkaiser>
s/wold/told/
<apritzel>
tkaiser: have you received a Pine64 yet?
<tkaiser>
apritzel: nope
<apritzel>
I just got the 512MB version
<apritzel>
so if you are desperate and are in Brussels on Saturday, I could borrow it to you
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<tkaiser>
Thx, but I don't go to fosdem. At least one board should arrive at the end of the week (they shipped two)
<tkaiser>
The most important difference between the 512M and 1G version should be the Ethernet PHY?
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<tkaiser>
Regarding Orange Pi One: Could be used for IoT stuff or as an IP camera (given someone improves image quality and fps of the gc2035.c driver)
<tkaiser>
Orange Pi + GC2035 camera module cost $20.89 including shipping to EU. That's not bad
<apritzel>
tkaiser: yes, and the missing connectors for camera, touchscreen and LCD
<tkaiser>
You get $1.33 discount on shipping when ordering one of each. And also the same $1.33 when you order 10 (shipping then $39.27). I'll have to ask Steven for shipping discounts. Usually he answers within a few months
<tkaiser>
apritzel: True, I forgot that
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<jelle>
tkaiser: I wish CSI module was mianline though
<tkaiser>
jelle: But even then CedarX accelerated video encoding would be missing?
<jelle>
tkaiser: oh dang
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<tkaiser>
apritzel: But from a coder's point of view... makes the Ethernet PHY a difference (sorry to ask that. I'm familiar with network stuff only on layer 3 or above)
<tkaiser>
?
<apritzel>
tkaiser: similar here ;-)
<apritzel>
but from what I learnt in the last three weeks:
<apritzel>
the 100MBit PHY speaks MII, the Gigabit one RGMII
<apritzel>
so you have to tell the MAC about that one
<apritzel>
other than that there shouldn't be so much to do
<apritzel>
(famous last words)
<apritzel>
apparently the Realtek PHYs are pretty standard, so no hacks needed for them
<apritzel>
montjoie should know more about it, I guess
<tkaiser>
Hmm... and I had to learn that there's this TX delay thing with GbE (and maybe an RX delay also -- at least I've seen settings in the A64's BSP)
<tkaiser>
Since I read about what's necessary to get networking up on SBCs I look a bit different at the 10G/40G NICs we're usually tuning ;)
<apritzel>
yeah, but that seems to be common thing for Gigabit PHYs in general?
<tkaiser>
No idea (below layer 2 ;) -- I'm still curious whether there's something to do with A20 boards (since they all show unbalanced RX/TX throughput)
<Maltazar>
I've compiled QT 5.6 using sunxi-mali repository, but I had to update some header files with define used by QT. Is an update of the repository planned ?
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<MoeIcenowy>
I have seen it at 17:27 CST (9:27 UTC)
<MoeIcenowy>
just 2.5h ago it's still there
<tkaiser>
wens: 10GbE isn't even server/backbone stuff. Since Netgear's XS712T is affordable even smaller agencies switched to it to interconnect PCs/Macs
<tkaiser>
MoeIcenowy: I would suspect 'shop maintainance gone wrong' or something like that
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<wens>
tkaiser: we still run our servers at 1GbE, TOR uplinks at 10GbE
<tkaiser>
wens: Graphical industry was always a bit different: We have one customer where they work with MacBook Air connected via Thunderbolt (IP over Thunderbolt) to a MacPro which interconnects those 4 laptops to the server through 10GbE
<ssvb>
tkaiser: hmm, have they discontinued Orange Pi PC in favor of this new cheaper board?
<tkaiser>
The MacPros are used for headless render jobs on the GPUs and act as layer 2 bridges between IP overt Thunderbolt and 10GbE to the servers
<tkaiser>
ssvb: I don't think so, just shop maintainance
<tkaiser>
But as usual you won't get answers from Xunlong/Steven even if directly asking (at least it will take some days ;)
<tkaiser>
The new board is rather limited (1 USB host, Audio out only through HDMI, 512MB RAM) so it would be a mistake to discontinue it.
<tkaiser>
(Orange Pi PC of course)
<ssvb>
tkaiser: actually I had sent a e-mail to Steven a few days ago, suggesting to remove the 1.6GHz label from the pictures in their shop
<wens>
tkaiser: different indeed
<tkaiser>
ssvb: this might be the reason. At least for the 'One' they changed it between yesterday and today from 1.6 to 1.2 GHz
<ssvb>
tkaiser: did not get any reply, but if they actually replace the pictures, it would be much better for everyone (less food for trolls) :-)
<tkaiser>
ssvb: For the 'One' it did really happen. Yesterday http://www.orangepi.org/orangepione/ contained an image showing 1.6Ghz and now it's 1.2Ghz instead
<tkaiser>
But AFAIK the voltage regulator used there can only be adjusted between 1.1V and 1.3V
<tkaiser>
Hmm... Orange Pi and Orange Pi Mini (the 2 A20 models) disappeared also from http://www.orangepi.org/
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<tkaiser>
wens: I was a bit surprised that they can really benefit from such a setup and that MacBook Airs can cope with 700-800 MB/s
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<vickycq>
MoeIcenowy: I talked with Xunlong's oficial taobao store, according to them the opipc is temporarily out of stock.
<vickycq>
...and will be back on sale after the Spring Festival.
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<plaes>
when is the spring festival?
<wens>
2/7~12 iirc
<wens>
otherwise known as Chinese New Year
<plaes>
oh..
<vickycq>
My bad. "Spring Festival" sounds Chinglish.
<yann|work>
vickycq: the xunlong aliexpress store passed my order to "shipped" a couple of hours ago, I hope they *did* chip an opipc in the parcel, but that may be a hint
<yann|work>
or maybe I bought the last one :)
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<pjwl>
Is it possible to use the device tree instead of the script.fex file for the kernel Allwinner A13?
<MoeIcenowy>
device trees are combined to mainline kernels
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<pjwl>
Thanks for the reply. Will the mainline kernels also work on the Allwinner A13>
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<MoeIcenowy>
pjwl: Mostly work
<MoeIcenowy>
some features lacked
<pjwl>
Oke thanks
<jemk>
ssvb: now i have a cable. your sunxi-tools and u-boot for A64 work well here
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<apritzel>
jemk: btw: I spent yesterday night debugging my DT problem on the A64
<apritzel>
seems like it's related to the failure reported on the list with the H3?
<apritzel>
I don't see PLL1 and PLL6 registered, for instance
<apritzel>
shall I post some logs?
<jemk>
also thought it might be related when seeing the mail, but i can't find a reason why it could go wrong
<apritzel>
in fact it was very strange
<apritzel>
so I have these two DT, where one works, the other not
<apritzel>
so I started a git repo to transform one to the other in baby steps
<apritzel>
to help bisecting
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<apritzel>
so only reordering the clock nodes and putting the mmc node under /soc made it break
<jemk>
something must be wrong with the pll6, but i haven't been able to reproduce it (on h3)
<GeneralStupid>
is there already a g2d version for H3?
<apritzel>
jemk: so PLL6 works for you? For me it gets silently dropped, I don't see it in clk_summary
<apritzel>
btw: anyone still looking for some work to do in the kernel?
<jemk>
apritzel: on h3 it does work so far
<apritzel>
I found that clk-sunxi lacks error reporting
<jemk>
GeneralStupid: h3 doesn't have g2d
<apritzel>
jemk: OK, interesting
<GeneralStupid>
jemk: i just want on screen display
<wens>
apritzel: yup, lacks a lot actually
<wens>
i plan on reworking that a bit more
<apritzel>
wens: I was just wondering what would happen if someone misspells "clock-output-names" for instance ;-)
<apritzel>
unfortunately none of my debug messages fired :-(
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<apritzel>
I was hoping that the DT was just missing some essential properties and thus the registration failed
<apritzel>
but it looks more like the _clock driver_ doesn't get registered with Linux at all
<apritzel>
though I find the compatible string in the kernel image
<apritzel>
and it doesn't seemed to be #ifdef'ed out, AFAICT
<Rambler44>
I have a feeling any chip maker could shove Power VR inside though, even Allwinner.
<KotCzarny>
power vr is insta-no-linux-support
<Rambler44>
:)
<Rambler44>
As I expected kind of
<Rambler44>
I imagine the additional cost is going to make the chip cost more too
<KotCzarny>
also, is that multimedia support in rpi done via blobs/binaries or there is real open source for their video code/decode?
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<Rambler44>
They open-sourced something
<KotCzarny>
blobs then
<Rambler44>
Let's face it, nobody is going to completely open-source their technology.
<KotCzarny>
i think intel did
<Rambler44>
So that's why I've seen this trend where some boxes get Intel CPUs lately?
<Rambler44>
It's a miracle the X.Org AMD drivers run here.
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<Rambler44>
LattePanda it was
<Rambler44>
Too bad I lost my interest when I heard Windows 10 pre-installed
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<Rambler44>
If there is one thing not getting my attention on low-end devices its running Windows 10 OS, I know from past experiences how nice it runs compared to Linux when having limited resources.
<KotCzarny>
um, you know win10 is spyware?
<Rambler44>
I was talking about Windows in general, Windows 8.1 is the last one I touched as it finally became "stable".
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<Deskwizard>
on a side note, its funnt how since they pushed that "free win10 update" crap, I had USB issues
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<Rambler44>
Oh, windows 10 free update - no complications a trip to heaven?
<Deskwizard>
Rambler44: surprisingly, yeah pretty much
<Rambler44>
Its fun to see how much changed from 8.1 to 10
<Rambler44>
I saw driver support drop like flies
<Rambler44>
Bye bye Atheros Wi-Fi driver, looks like you have to get the XP one which has disconnects each 15 minutes built-in.
<Deskwizard>
couldnt say, usually 7 is the further I go
<Rambler44>
I only went from 7 to 8.1 last year
<Deskwizard>
lol yeah sounds like MS.
<Rambler44>
Well I am serious
<Rambler44>
Installed windows 10 on USB for fun
<Rambler44>
It got Wi-Fi drivers from 2009 or so
<Rambler44>
At least it can install drivers automatically now, just not any good ones?
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<Deskwizard>
havent tested my wifi adapters thb, but yeah, I wouldnt be surprised to see the same behavior you did
<Deskwizard>
even avr-gcc and friends bombed after the update
<Deskwizard>
well, its the only thing that did tbh
<Rambler44>
I upgraded an Acer computer which had very lowend Intel CPU with 2 GB of RAM running Windows 10 Basic something?
<Rambler44>
To my surprise, windows 10 runs perfectly.
<Deskwizard>
to mine as well
<Deskwizard>
I remember those low end acer a couple years back (vista times) it was... painful.
<Rambler44>
Intel stuff probably the reason
<Deskwizard>
not sure it matters tbh...
<Rambler44>
Well, I tested it a bit. It was so slow it was completely ubearable when I got it
<Deskwizard>
IgorPec is really dedicated, I have to say I kinda admire the guy.. only time I had build issues he answered me back like, same day
<Rambler44>
I'm sure you would find just as dedicated people at bananian *cough* Anyway, is that made to be a switch of a kind with those ethernet ports?
<Deskwizard>
bananian... no comments
<KotCzarny>
rambler, more like router
<KotCzarny>
you have two more minipcie slots to add wifi or whatever too
<KotCzarny>
or modem
<Deskwizard>
everything having banana in its name leave a bad taste of no sources in my mouth
<KotCzarny>
i like bananas
<Rambler44>
I know a lot of routers cost a lot and don't really have any superb RAM/CPU in them.
<Rambler44>
It would be fun to have a box like this to have as a router.
<Rambler44>
IMO
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<Deskwizard>
Rambler44: totally agree, I could replace a full blown computer and the router with that
<KotCzarny>
rambler: read the review, tests show ~900mbit performance
<vpeter>
Rambler44: Already waiting to get mine :)
<KotCzarny>
also, that marvel chips performs much better than a20
<Rambler44>
No trick likethe Latinq, hook up 2 LAN 1000, hook up 3 oh look 100 links
<Rambler44>
:)
<Deskwizard>
KotCzarny: not that hard to beat if you ask me.... I have been a bit disapointed with allwinner stuff lately (A20 and A31s in my case)
<Rambler44>
Price?
<KotCzarny>
170usd i think
<KotCzarny>
but depends on options
<Rambler44>
Around the same as a ASUS RT-AC68U
<KotCzarny>
but with 2x minipcie you can have 2x sata connected, also, has m.2 slot on board too
<Deskwizard>
wonder if those sata support port multipliers...
<vpeter>
Actually you can get 4x sata.
<Deskwizard>
nevermind then hehe
<vpeter>
2 * 2x
<KotCzarny>
all in all nice, and to think i bought bpi-r1 for ~90usd
<Rambler44>
Knowing ASUS they stuffed in a 256MiB RAM and 700 MHz CPU, sounds about right for the specs to a high-end router.
<Rambler44>
It makes you wonder where the 170 dollars go
<Rambler44>
Must be expensive to make these routers
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<Rambler44>
KotCzarny well considering Allwinner chips go in a $15 board there is quite a difference price wise up to $170 right?
<KotCzarny>
15$ boards have crappy bandwidth
<KotCzarny>
if you want to build simple audio box or medium-low performance nas, they are ok
<Rambler44>
My router costs more and it's powered by Broadcom, so is the RPi and the gigabit NIC on my PC. Wonder why I got so much BCM.
<Rambler44>
Indeed, Shibby loads up some old Wi-Fi drivers but for my use it works good enough anyway.
<tkaiser>
Deskwizard: Armada SoCs should play well with Port Multipliers. They're made for NAS useage
<Rambler44>
tkaiser that router looks like the perfect way to empty my pockets.
<tkaiser>
I just refrained since Igor asked the Solid-Run guys whether they can send me also a dev sample of the Clearfog (to arrive tomorrow)
<Rambler44>
This is the types of routers that should have been popular. Not all this strange ZyXel/Inteno whatever stuff. At least I prefer Inteno they run their own git of OpenWRT.
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: is that write speed limited by ssd used or something else?
<Rambler44>
Well, free and free. It still got blobs :)
<KotCzarny>
(from the review)
<Rambler44>
5 GHz card caused blobs
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<tkaiser>
Rambler44: But that's the only one. And Igor already uses a different one (also cheaper: $60 vs. $18 IIRC)
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: As far as I understood SATA is the limitation. In Igor's test the size of the SSD was the bottleneck (less than 256 MB and sequential write speeds suck)
<KotCzarny>
still, enough to saturate gbit link
<tkaiser>
'Slightly' off-topic here. But I hope we see a few more devices based on these Armada SoCs since they provide good network and I/O throughput (that's most of the times all I'm interested in ;)
<Rambler44>
Since most boards come without Wi-Fi or anything to function as a router I wonder if it would be possible to attach Wi-Fi cards on for example a H3 board. Even if they have a history of performing bad CPU etc wise when doing ethernet intensive tasks?
<KotCzarny>
Rambler44: you can always attach access point to one of eth ports
<tkaiser>
H3 has no PCIe, just SDIO and RGMII
<Rambler44>
Ah, yeah.
<KotCzarny>
(and if the board only has one, just throw in any switch in the mix)
<Rambler44>
I just thought of some RPi 2 project I saw.
<Rambler44>
They attached a studio DAC on it and had it playing audio all day. Kind of interesting.
<TheLinuxBug>
So, probably a stupid question, but been watching a few of these small arm cameras I have... watching top and such, and I realize the CPU is utilized differently in those old 32bit boards, but why if only 5.9% CPU is in use would the machine have a load of say, 18? I assume this is Okay as it seems to be 'normal' for it to run between 10-18 load all the time?
<KotCzarny>
interrupts, lots of interrupts?
<TheLinuxBug>
but when your used to thinking 1 core = 1 load , things above that are backlogged, then you see a load of 18 with very little cpu utilization?
<TheLinuxBug>
hmm
<TheLinuxBug>
good point
<TheLinuxBug>
likely for the sensors
<TheLinuxBug>
for day/night
<TheLinuxBug>
hmm so rerally what I need is to get a unencrypted version of sctrl and see what its doing
<KotCzarny>
hrm, i need high iops usb card
<KotCzarny>
or usb--sata adapter
<KotCzarny>
also, that axp209 battery charging circuit is braindead
<KotCzarny>
it constantly tops off the battery
<tkaiser>
TheLinuxBug: Looking at
<KotCzarny>
i wonder if its software controllable or purely hw
<Rambler44>
Average load is something I tend to ignore, I like to look at the current load.
<tkaiser>
KotCzarny: Join Armbian forum and discuss in developer section: We're just talking about that stuff and Zador ported the AXP sysfs stuff from 3.4 to mainline
<KotCzarny>
tkaiser: will check later, i have to run now
<KotCzarny>
but thx
<tkaiser>
Me as well, time for some Pasta
<Rambler44>
It does cost though. most normal people probably look away when they see the $230 price tag on a router which many ISP provides free of charge.
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<Rambler44>
There is nothing you can do in many cases. My 200Mbps ISP gave me a PacketFront with 7 LAN ports where I can just dream of ever getting any access to it whatsoever.
<Rambler44>
I see little point in connecting a router to another router/modem
<fire855>
Hi! What is currently the newest kernel which have android support? I have currently 3.4 running. The sunxi-next 4.5 kernel doesn't have android support. Can I add there android support?
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<Rambler44>
Isn't the beast idea to run Allwinners kernel on Android? I doubt people here would care much about Android honestly (prove me wrong if you want?)
<WarheadsSE>
I'd be more concerned about lack of Mali integration with the newer kernel, since Android would want to use that severely.
<Rambler44>
Android without Mali will go butter-smooth
<Rambler44>
I thought Allwinner had enough problems with Android performance already
<fire855>
Okay, I'm currently working on lollipop for a10 devices. It's working good but I thank that there is maybe a newer kernel than 3.4. There is also 3.14 but that's experimental so I think it's not good to use that or?
<fire855>
I saw that the new kernel miss mali drivers. Is it working to add the drivers and build the kernel or are there more changes needed?
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<TheLinuxBug>
tkaiser: thanks reading
<TheLinuxBug>
tkaiser: (thumbsup)
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<montjoie>
hello on A83T my apb0/ahb0 run a 0Mhz, how to change that ?
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<Turl>
montjoie: cat the clock tree
<Turl>
/sys/kernel/debug/clk/clk_summary or something like that
* Turl
hugs his /d -> /sys/kernel/debug symlink
<mripard>
Turl: you're such an Android guy ;)
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<KotCzarny>
now how do i translate pl03 into gpio number in uboot?
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<vagrantc>
hrm. well, finally got a debian-built kernel booting on the cubieboard4, using a u-boot forked from 2011... but meh. what a mess. no ethernet, no USB, only recognizes 1.5GB of the 2GB of ram, and only 1 out of the 8 CPU cores.
* vagrantc
thought at least usb should work from reading the device tree