<wens>
it's not helpful if it's the non-redistributable version
<muvlon_>
there's a COPYING.MIT
<muvlon_>
what's going on here?
<muvlon_>
people just chucking random license files in the root of a project directory has to stop
<muvlon_>
extra points for conflicting licenses
<muvlon_>
either 1.) put a comment in the source files saying what license covers it or 2.) explicitly say in the license file what it does cover
<wens>
yeah, i'm not going to touch that one :/
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<swiftgeek>
beeble: you were right, sadly those were for usb otg
<swiftgeek>
usb host that is right in the corner is sadly NC completely
<swiftgeek>
and pads next to it are for uart
<beeble>
swiftgeek: even better if it's otg. then you can use FEL :)
<swiftgeek>
well all board have i guess
<swiftgeek>
but i wanted to connect stuff over usb hub internally, like on A13 boards
<swiftgeek>
i guess i will have to figure out RNG for UART then
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<beeble>
but why is it a problem for you if it's the otg controller? you can use it as host only too
<swiftgeek>
beeble: because i want to use it :D
<swiftgeek>
as otg
<beeble>
ah, now i understand
<beeble>
high brain latency today :)
<swiftgeek>
like for emulating keyboard
<swiftgeek>
and mass storage
<swiftgeek>
i guess i will have to find another Q8 for that or implement RNG over UART
<swiftgeek>
sadly no usb means also no bluetooth for keyboards :(
<beeble>
don't know what you are doing with the rng. but for bt, there are uart modules available
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<swiftgeek>
beeble: would they work with linux/ devicetree?
<swiftgeek>
(using just rx/tx ?)
<MoeIcenowy>
swiftgeek: usually rx, tx, rts, cts
<swiftgeek>
yeah, and that not exposed
<swiftgeek>
*that's
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<beeble>
that's bad. but in any other case. with bluez you just attach a bt module with hciattach
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<andi_sp>
trying to boot sunxi-3.4 kernel but get unrecognized/unsupported machine ID (r1 = 0x00000000)
<andi_sp>
I am a bit troubled in where to look for the error.. running mainline u-boot by the way
<MoeIcenowy>
andi_sp: you should set machid before booting 3.4 kernel
<beeble>
you must set a matching machid
<MoeIcenowy>
what's your 3.4 kernel from?
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<andi_sp>
tried stages/sunxi 3.4 and allwinnerzh (some github)
<andi_sp>
where would I set machine ID; in bootloader?
<beeble>
setenv machid <machid> in uboot
<andi_sp>
ah - thanks
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<MoeIcenowy>
for allwinner's lichee kernel I think the machid is 0x1029
<MoeIcenowy>
you can omit 0x when setting it in u-boot
<andi_sp>
thanks, giving it a try ...
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<silviop>
i try to understand where came from tcm1680.ko it contains ./home/liuzi/workspace/git/mid/allwinner/a33/android4.4.2/lichee/linux-3.4/arch/arm/include/asm.include/linux/inlut..tcm_config.c
<silviop>
does someone know who is liuzi ?
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<MoeIcenowy>
how can we know it ;-)
<MoeIcenowy>
such a name can solve nothing
<silviop>
semms that is the only humankind that see tcm1680.c source
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<silviop>
does exist a c decompiler for kernel modules ? objdump semms only assembler
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<MoeIcenowy>
silviop: of course not :-(
<silviop>
of course nobody develope a tool on open source compiant world .......
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<MoeIcenowy>
there's someone that is close to you target -- IDA Pro + Hex-Rays, but costs thousands of dollars ;-)
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<TheLinuxBug>
Anyone around with either an Orange Pi PC or Orange Pi PLus 2E that would be willing to test something for me? It will require writing an Android image to SDcard and testing booting it - if you have a few minutes to test just drop me a PM. Thanks.
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<silviop>
ok semms arm enabled
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<terra854>
Happy CNY!!!!!!!!!!
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<MoeIcenowy>
terra854: thanks ;-)
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<TheLinuxBug>
no one can help me out? would really appriciate someone testing this for me if they have a few minutes ;/
<beeble>
don't have such a board
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<TheLinuxBug>
willmore: Armbian PC2 desktop nightly Works :D
<TheLinuxBug>
\o/
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<willmore>
TheLinuxBug, agreed. Works *very well*, too.
<TheLinuxBug>
yeah of course no gfx accel, but as was expected. I am a bit disappointed in H5 though at least from the aspect that even without accel on H3 you could do 360p youtube, but H5 can't support it (guessing because maybe still locked to 1Ghz per core)
<willmore>
I'm very impressed with the people here and at armbian. What was it, six weeks? We went from "Hey, new board with a chip we have no data on!" to "Here's your working distro, enjoy!"
<TheLinuxBug>
yeah I mean all in they have done amazing work!
<willmore>
Is that in a web browser?
<TheLinuxBug>
yeah
<TheLinuxBug>
firefox
<willmore>
I don't do youtube in web browsers, ever. There's an app for that. ;)
<TheLinuxBug>
well I kinda use it to judge CPU a bit and performance
<TheLinuxBug>
I don't really use it much but as I said H3 at least out of box could handle 360p
<willmore>
Okay, I can kinda see that.
<TheLinuxBug>
H5 seems because of limits to not be able to handle same
* willmore
shrugs
<TheLinuxBug>
maybe when/if they add accel it will work ;p
<TheLinuxBug>
but as desktop
<TheLinuxBug>
just doing normal stuff, not too bad
<TheLinuxBug>
:D
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<TheLinuxBug>
I mean relying on mmc (sdcard) only so much to expect
<TheLinuxBug>
I am using an ok class 10 card
<willmore>
1GB for a desktop? ;)
<TheLinuxBug>
sure
<TheLinuxBug>
hell I used to have a Pentium III laptop w/ debian on it and it had 1Gb ram, ;p
<TheLinuxBug>
worked just fine for most things
<willmore>
I wouldn't even consider 2GB viable for that. I'm hoping for an ODROID with 4GB. That would put the machine into the range where I see it being practical.
<TheLinuxBug>
TBH Orange PI Plus 2E could make an awesome workstation
<TheLinuxBug>
but it does have 1gb more ram
<TheLinuxBug>
but H3 is pretty powerful, I was suprised how well Armbian ran on Plus 2E
<willmore>
If we're going to go there, I ran Linux on my 386DX40 with 16MB, but I didn't do the same things on there that I do on my desktop today. :)
<TheLinuxBug>
hehe
<TheLinuxBug>
well
<TheLinuxBug>
I first ran Slackware 0.9 on a 286 loaded off what 20 Floppies
<TheLinuxBug>
:D
<TheLinuxBug>
er sorry, s/286/386
<TheLinuxBug>
hehe
<TheLinuxBug>
Was an HP Desktop
<TheLinuxBug>
had like a 20Mb hard drive
<TheLinuxBug>
those were the days
<TheLinuxBug>
remember when I bought my first 4.5GB Quantum Bigfoot hard drive for $295.50
<willmore>
125MB ST3144A for $330. Please, can we stop? :) I may have a crate of ST251 in the basement....
<willmore>
Ahh, that 2E looks nice from a memory standpoint. But, for the price, I think I'd take an ODROID C2.
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<willmore>
That said I'm pretty exicted by the jobs I'm finding for OpiZ boards. )
<TheLinuxBug>
hehehe
<TheLinuxBug>
:D
<TheLinuxBug>
Yeah I have a storage unit with some antiques in it
<TheLinuxBug>
I think I still have one of the first SGI workstations that ran IRIX and was one of the first workstations with a 21" Screen
<TheLinuxBug>
hehe
<TheLinuxBug>
Was a eqwuiv to a 133Mhz CPU if I recall
<TheLinuxBug>
equiv*
<TheLinuxBug>
I think I loaded netbsd on it if I remember
<willmore>
I have a stack of Indy's somewhere, too. :( I also have a still booting Webpal. That's a 40'ish MHz ARM7TDMI. :)
<TheLinuxBug>
I ordered one from gearbest to see how it works
<TheLinuxBug>
ahah nice :D
<TheLinuxBug>
we should start a museum
<TheLinuxBug>
hehe
<TheLinuxBug>
I have a c2 and its already in use for a project
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<TheLinuxBug>
I wanted to test out the S905x
<TheLinuxBug>
so grabbed one of those Khadas vim's
<TheLinuxBug>
but I will tell you this
<TheLinuxBug>
If you want to use c2 as media pc other than c2 running Android 5.1 the orange pi plus 2e with this android dist KotCzarny and I have been working on the Plus 2E with updated android on emmc runs really smoothly and is other than CEC an equal almost.
<willmore>
TheLinuxBug, I don't see much interest in that board. But I do like the connector layout. I wish we'd get away from this horrible raspberry inspired "put connectors everywhere and on ever side" design.
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<willmore>
Connectors all go on *one* edge. GPIO, buttons, etc. can go elsewhere--best if they're on the opposite side from the connectors.
<TheLinuxBug>
My original goal when I got the Plus 2E was to make it the house media machine but I couldnt' get a good android dist so ended up using my c2 for that.
<TheLinuxBug>
I am almost at the point where I could probably swap them, but I have become attached to my Plus 2E now ;D
<willmore>
My media player is my old C1. Does H.265 at 1080p--which is all my material ever gets to and all my display is.
<willmore>
LOL
<TheLinuxBug>
tbh @ the price point and what you get Plus 2E is a pretty awesome deal
<TheLinuxBug>
all in on the 2E I think it was 60$ shipped with power cord, I later bought a 5$ case and a 1$ heatsink for it and thats with 16gb emmc built on
<TheLinuxBug>
to get the c2 to the same point
<TheLinuxBug>
ohh and plus 2e has wifi built in
<TheLinuxBug>
for c2 I bought Wifi module, camera, 8gb emmc and case and probably spent about ~$100
<TheLinuxBug>
so less storage and almost 2x cost
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<TheLinuxBug>
granted c2 was a lot easier to get working software on and kernel device support is a lot less painful
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<TheLinuxBug>
also its sexy that it has full CEC support
<TheLinuxBug>
I now have OPi PC, OPi PC2, OPi Plus 2E and Opi PC Plus should be coming (though am losing faith in Xunlong to ship it - they messed up shipping my order originally and omitted it)
<JohnDoe_71Rus>
TheLinuxBug: right topology Khadas Vim. all ports by one side
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<TheLinuxBug>
yeah looks interesting, will depend on how good their 'open source' support really is
<TheLinuxBug>
I imagine it will have a good Android image, but kinda hoping maybe their Ubuntu image is decent
<willmore>
Ahh, I am completely happy with uSD and I don't want wireless, so my C2 are stock. I printed my own cases. :)
<willmore>
JohnDoe_71Rus, yep.
<TheLinuxBug>
ohh I will say this, c2 emmc FLYS it is seriously fast, even faster than eMMc on Plus 2E
<TheLinuxBug>
thats actually one of the reason I love the c2, with emmc Android flys on it so does Ubuntu
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<willmore>
Yeah, it's the fastest eMMC of any SBC I've seen.
<TheLinuxBug>
I imagine based on my convo with mdrjr that Khadas' eMMc will likely not come close to the performance of emmc on c2
<TheLinuxBug>
I had mentioned the board to him and asked him if hardkernel was gonna produce S905x
<willmore>
LOL, no.
<TheLinuxBug>
and he basically said, sure its cheaper but it has to do a lot with quality of components -- also as we discussed before they stated they will not use Amlogic S905x because of previous CPU speed issues with c2
<willmore>
Yeah, no one seems to take eMMC seriously, it's always a small 8 or 16GB module tacked on late in the design and with little support. So, you get barely better than SD performance but more board space and a lot more software pain.
<willmore>
Yeah, they're done with Amlogic.
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<beeble>
c2 benefits from 1v8 io voltage for the emmc
<willmore>
beeble, and for uSD.
<willmore>
They can actually use UHS-1.
<willmore>
Of course, they took a few arrows in the back for some incompatabilities that found.
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<willmore>
That's an option on the A64 and H5, IIRC, right? Might be nice to see a future board with a voltage regulator for the uSD.
<TheLinuxBug>
willmore: I did note that in Android the mmc on PC2 is a lot faster, performance of MMC was pretty smooth.. Not sure performance of the Armbian image yet, may be similar, but one of the noted benefits of PC2 (h5) over h3 is supposed to be faster MMC reader.
<TheLinuxBug>
so you have lower io wait
<TheLinuxBug>
than what I was seeing on h3
<willmore>
yeah, one of the SD interfaces is supposed to be faster. I don't have a good technical knowledge of SD, so I can't speak to it.
<beeble>
a64 has a dedicated power rail for sd i/o on the cpu. so if you use it with ALDO3 on the axp803 you can have higher speed grades (aldo3 is the only ldo that is 3.3 and normaly on)
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<willmore>
I defer to your knowledge of the issue.
<willmore>
Were the older chips sharing the same Vio for all of the SD interfaces or were they each separate?
<willmore>
agraf, no, that's the new funny mode that I can't remember the name of. Has more pins, right?
<willmore>
Oh, UHS-II uses those. I thought it was a different one.
<willmore>
UHS-I just changes the signaling on the existing pins.
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<agraf>
oh? i see
<beeble>
uhs-i is ddr and higher clocks
<beeble>
uhs-ii has additional pins
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<willmore>
yeah, UHS-I has 104MHz at 4 bits SDR and 50MHz 4 bits DDR.
<willmore>
UHS-II has two 156MB/s lanes that can either go half or full duplex. I assume the direction of the full duplex can be changed on the fly. Not sure what the use of a Write Only Memory is. ;)
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<willmore>
UHS-I requires 1.8V Vcc for the higher speeds. I assume UHS-II does as well. Though it uses a 400mV differential signaling for actual data.
<beeble>
willmore: your display is a write only memory :)
<willmore>
beeble, LOL. :) Very ephemerial.
<beeble>
don't know that word. shouldn't have googled it at work
<TheLinuxBug>
ROFL
<willmore>
Oh? It means "without persistance"
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<willmore>
"goes away" "not long lasting".
<TheLinuxBug>
adjective
<TheLinuxBug>
1.
<TheLinuxBug>
lasting for a very short time.
<willmore>
There you go.
<TheLinuxBug>
:D
<TheLinuxBug>
always search word on google with dictionary after the word
<TheLinuxBug>
or yeah
<TheLinuxBug>
can get some fun results
<TheLinuxBug>
hehehe
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<beeble>
i'm fine with seeing some boobs
<beeble>
could have been worse :)
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<willmore>
Wait, you got that from "ephemerial"?
* willmore
did not realize the benefits of having a large vocabulary extended that far.
<TheLinuxBug>
So really no one have a Orange Pi PC or Orange Pi Plus 2E to test an android image for me?
<TheLinuxBug>
someones gotta have one of those boards and a few minutes to test this ;p
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<willmore>
Sorry, my PC is still in the mail.
<TheLinuxBug>
yeah my Plus PC is sitting in the state "Waiting for pick up ( 2017-01-21 06:27 GMT-7 )"
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<TheLinuxBug>
cause Xunlong forgot to ship me it in my order and then of course they failed to ship before Chinese new year so now I won't get it for like 2 months
<TheLinuxBug>
I ordered it 12-30-16 and will probably get it like 2-29-17 or later
<TheLinuxBug>
pretty poor imo
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<TheLinuxBug>
considering I paid for upgraded shipping and they sent it the slowest method possible was kinda adding insult to injury
<willmore>
Well, mine is just leaving China, so shouldn't be too much longer.
<willmore>
Processed Through Facility
<willmore>
GUANGZHOU EMS, CHINA
<willmore>
<TheLinuxBug>
I had to fight with stevemn to even get him to send me it, i was like why if you make a mistake should I have to beg you to fix your mistake.. lol
<willmore>
Wow.
<TheLinuxBug>
they made me pay another $.10 also to generate a shipping label
<willmore>
That's not good.
<TheLinuxBug>
they wouldn't do it for free
<willmore>
That's odd as they charge shipping on every item--so you don't get any shipping for free.
<TheLinuxBug>
steven zhao
<TheLinuxBug>
2017-01-18 18:28:36
<TheLinuxBug>
Could you plz order one postage so we can get a tracking label to resend?
<TheLinuxBug>
what makes me mad is it isn't like I have only ordered one board from them
<TheLinuxBug>
my last order was more than $100
<TheLinuxBug>
and was gonna order several more Plus 2E's
<MoeIcenowy>
shipping which needs pass the customs is always weird
<TheLinuxBug>
but maybe not after this experience
<MoeIcenowy>
when my C.H.I.P. is shipping
<TheLinuxBug>
hehe C.H.I.P. took a LONG time to arrive
<MoeIcenowy>
it takes 20+ days to come from Hong Kong to Canton
<TheLinuxBug>
yeah even to US it was a long time
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<MoeIcenowy>
but by train I can reach Hong Kong and return back to Canton in one day ;-)
<TheLinuxBug>
almost 30 days from when I got the tracking
<MoeIcenowy>
(But my Pine64 sample board is just sent from Shenzhen, and with YTO Express within China it takes only half a day from Shenzhen to Canton
<willmore>
MoeIcenowy, It's a lot longer flight from here. My wife 'got' to do that last year.
<MoeIcenowy>
yes ;-)
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<MoeIcenowy>
and for Shenzhen Xunlong Software usually I can got the board in the next day after my purchase ;-)
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<willmore>
:)
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<TheLinuxBug>
I would just be happy if when I make an order they can ship the whole order :X
<TheLinuxBug>
now delayed MONTHS just to get the board they messed up on shipping
<TheLinuxBug>
was kinda insulting they didn't offer to ship it higher priority after they totally messed up
<TheLinuxBug>
:(
<TheLinuxBug>
but moving on
<willmore>
The difference in performance between the PC2 and the Zero is impressive. For a horrible 'benchmark' like cpuminer, it's 2x. 3.2KH/s to 1.4KH/s
<TheLinuxBug>
well doesn't zero have H2+
<TheLinuxBug>
which is slower cores anyways?
<willmore>
I should hook up my One again . IIRC, it was at 1.4KH/s as well, so the Zero isn't performing lower than expected.
<TheLinuxBug>
I mean H5 should be right near H3 in a perfect world with some gain in performance because of neon, mmc reader and 64bit
<willmore>
Well, maybe it could be for lower demanding benchmarks. IIRC, they capped the clock speed of the Zero (in armbian) to 1GHz.
<willmore>
Yeah, this is a very specific compute load that benefits from *both* 64 bit and the improved neon in the A53.
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<MoeIcenowy>
Zero is only capable of 1GHz
<MoeIcenowy>
because of its SY8113B regulator
<willmore>
MoeIcenowy, in hardware or because of software limits/
<willmore>
MoeIcenowy, isn't it switchable?
<MoeIcenowy>
SY8113B is switchable
<MoeIcenowy>
but do not have enought voltage
<willmore>
I thought it was 1.3V/1.1V just like the One.
<MoeIcenowy>
yes
<willmore>
The One gets up to 1.2GHz.
<MoeIcenowy>
I don't think so
<willmore>
Hmmm, need to fire one up for sure, then :)
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<TheLinuxBug>
what is worth noting though
<TheLinuxBug>
is that technically (unless Armbian fixed it, I hadn't had a chance to check) the h5 was stuck at 1Ghz (at least was on their images)
<TheLinuxBug>
so if the h5 cores are running 1Ghz as well
<TheLinuxBug>
and are 2x as performant at Zero
<TheLinuxBug>
that is noteable
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<tkaiser>
MoeIcenowy: All SY8113B equipped H3/H2+ boards switch between 1.1V and 1.3V (except Crapboard M2+ from SinoVoip -- they forget the GPIO regulation, wrote 1.2V in schematic and use always 1.3V in reality)
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<tkaiser>
TheLinuxBug: DVFS with Xunlong/Allwinner BSP kernel doesn't work, that's why you get 1008 MHz max with 'official' OS images on OPi PC2 and +1.3GHz with mainline kernel using ErwinH's DVFS table.
<tkaiser>
willmore: The reason we (at Armbian) limit max cpufreq to 912 MHz on the three IoT boards (NanoPi NEO, Air and OPi Zero) is minimal consumption and shitty Micro USB for DC-IN.
<tkaiser>
willmore: Unless the user does some research how to exceed that VDD_CPUX remains at 1.1V max and we waste less time with reports of 'board reboots' (Micro USB!)
<willmore>
tkaiser, seems like a reasonable approach. What about the One? Does it use the higher speeds? If I can get mine to show up on the network, I'll check for myself...
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<willmore>
I'm not sure if this is more appropriate over at #armbian than here, if so, I can take it there. I'm looking at cpuminer running on two different H2/H3 boards running the same binary.
<willmore>
One is the OpiZ and the other is the Opi1. The Opi1 ends up running in the 80-85C range and at 816 and 1008 MHz (thermal steady state). It generates 1.6KH/s.
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<willmore>
The OpiZ is running in the 65-70C range and is running at 816/1008 as well. (not the same ratio as the One, clearly).
<willmore>
The question I have is: is the OpiZ set up to be more thermally conservative? 65-70C is pretty low. Was this done for the same reasons that tkaiser mentions--I.E. being conservative to prevent issues with boards that are somewhat compromised in their designs.
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<agin_>
heyas
<willmore>
Side note: The One is running an old kernel (legacy from months back) and the Z is running current nightly on mainline kernel. Soo many variables.
<willmore>
I'm going to update the One.
<willmore>
If I can figure out how to.....
<willmore>
agin_, hello.
<agin_>
Gong Hei Fat Choi To you all!
<agin_>
Happy New Year
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<willmore>
Happy New Year to you as well. Or Spring Festival, or whatever is worth celebrating!
<agin_>
what are you working on willmore?
<willmore>
agin_, fiddling with the new Orange Pi PC2 (and the Zero and the One)
<willmore>
With an ODROID-C2 as a foil.
<agin_>
what aspect?
<agin_>
I'm trying to get uboot's composite video out working