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jernej >
MoeIcenowy: only H3 was tested, though
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jernej >
I will send patches soon
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robogoat >
apritzel: sorry, afk.
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robogoat >
Regarding KVM, I think the kernel module isn't built by default.
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robogoat >
zcat /proc/config.gz |grep -i kvm
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robogoat >
Returns nothing
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apritzel >
robogoat: that's a shame and should be fixed
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apritzel >
robogoat: but I think even Debian didn't build KVM until recently
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robogoat >
Yeah, well, not a big deal on my part.
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robogoat >
I'm just very happy to have support for mainline u-boot and kernel already.
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robogoat >
Rather than something 3.x
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robogoat >
Only nightlies are available for these anyway, I think.
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apritzel >
not sure how much armbian takes from the original Debian kernel config
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apritzel >
tkaiser: ^^^
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mripard >
MoeIcenowy: the best option is usually to have a clock output somehow as a test pattern, like I2C or UART, and make sure the clock rate matches what you programmed
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wens >
anyone else get weird empty replies from @yahoo.com addresses after posting/replying to the mailing list?
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montjoie >
wens: got one
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plaes >
got one too..
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apritzel >
same here
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montjoie >
perhaps some betatest from spammers
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wens >
[ 0.972980] cpufreq: cpufreq_online: CPU0: Running at unlisted freq: 2016000 KHz
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wens >
[ 0.980588] cpu cpu0: dev_pm_opp_set_rate: failed to find current OPP for freq 2016000000 (-34)
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wens >
that doesn't look right
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KotCzarny >
burn baby, burn
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KotCzarny >
what's the temperature?
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wens >
it hanged, i don't know
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wens >
the heat sink is barely warm
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wens >
KotCzarny: :p
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wens >
huh, a power cycle fixed it, weird
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JohnDoe_71Rus >
white smoke?
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lkcl >
hiya folks i
_used_ to have an rk3288 firefly that i could boot with mainline-ish but i've somehow managed to trash the config (yay!)
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lkcl >
does anyone have a reliable quick-and-easy pointer to
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lkcl >
(a) a kernel source that works
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lkcl >
(b) a kernel config that works
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lkcl >
currently trying mmind's 4.10
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lkcl >
Latest commit 59331c2
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JohnDoe_71Rus >
this is allwinner chanel
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lkcl >
ah! thx john.... left pane's too small to notice :)
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wens >
sunxi-next branch updated
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rah >
KotCzarny: actually both "hanged" and "hung" are valid past participles of "hang"
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KotCzarny >
Use hanged when referring to a person being suspended by a rope around the neck until dead.
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KotCzarny >
so it might be correct to use 'hanged' in wens' context
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wens >
lets not get hung up on this :p
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KotCzarny >
i'm getting hung-ry :P
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rah >
KotCzarny: firstly, Merriam-Webster is not an English company
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rah >
KotCzarny: secondly, guides are just that
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rah >
KotCzarny: both "hanged" and "hung" are valid past participles of "hang"
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KotCzarny >
but both carry a bit different contexts
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KotCzarny >
Hung is the normal form in most general uses, e.g. they hung out the washing; she hung around for a few minutes; he had hung the picture over the fireplace, but hanged is the form normally used in reference to execution by hanging
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KotCzarny >
is oxford english enough?
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rah >
that doesn't contradict what I said
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MoeIcenowy >
Does Linux kernel support mixture of hardware and software card select?
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KotCzarny >
this. this is nice
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Wizzup >
but will they provide a stable storage, or just randomly crash still
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KotCzarny >
who knows what would happen and how they will implement it, and if there will be real products available
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Ke >
my chromebook has been running on top of samsung SD using btrfs for serral months now
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Ke >
and btrfs even checks that the data returned is valid
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Ke >
though I will expect much shorter lifespan than on my SSDs
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KotCzarny >
have you ever checked what iops you can achieve on it?
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Ke >
no, the bottom line is that the BUS on c201 is the bottle neck
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Ke >
I have seen consistently better perf elsewhere
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KotCzarny >
i would assume sdcard could be a bigger bottleneck when it comes to random i/o
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Ke >
for cheap SD cards yes
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Ke >
I have moderately cheap device with very expesive SD card
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KotCzarny >
which card model it is?
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KotCzarny >
~700iops on random write (~3MB/s)
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Ke >
it's rarely that random outside of benchmarks
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Ke >
even metadata writes are 16K, which would still be 11.2MB/s
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KotCzarny >
that assuming you dont run multiple compile jobs in parallel to normal desktop use on that machine
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KotCzarny >
especially firefox can bring it to the crawl
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Ke >
firefox yes, compile will saturate the cpus
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Ke >
ime at <50MB/s region total bandwith becomes issue more easily than iops
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Ke >
I tried running firefox inside eatmydata to no avail
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KotCzarny >
run from tmpfs and sync periodically?
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Ke >
also having no VPU hurts alot
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apritzel >
Turl: NiteHawk: the last Wiki edits (on Boot_Android_from_SdCard) look like spam to me (more subtle than the usual stuff, though)
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KotCzarny >
yup, out of context and broken english
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plaes >
I'm on it...
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NiteHawk >
plaes, that's fine. thx - i'm a bit busy currently
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willmore >
KotCzarny, RE A2. What is it with tkaiser? They mention something in an IRC chat and the next thing you know, it's an industry standard!
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KotCzarny >
if you look into the post, you will see the 'google' word ;)
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KotCzarny >
which means the global ai requires faster storage for their tentacles
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zepanwucai >
hello everyone!
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zepanwucai >
I made a SD-size, breadboard-compatible, wifi/lora available V3S board which called "Lichee Pi Zero"
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zepanwucai >
It will on indiegogo few days latter, do you have some suggestions? thank you very much!
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plaes >
zepanwucai: ah.. you're the guy ;)
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zepanwucai >
um, you are?
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plaes >
I'm the one who has been looking at your github page
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plaes >
...and looking for a place to buy it
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zepanwucai >
oo,I'm not active on github... I have 7 pcs yet
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zepanwucai >
and some older version boards
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plaes >
btw, the link to LVDS page has timed out
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plaes >
err... LVDS picture
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zepanwucai >
um, the free figure bed is not stable... I will fix latter..
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plaes >
your project looks really cool
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buZz >
zepanwucai: please dont call it SD-sized when it isnt
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buZz >
makes you look foolish
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buZz >
'almost SD sized' would be better
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buZz >
or just post the sizes
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plaes >
yeah, good point
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vpeter >
"little bigger than SD card"
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zepanwucai >
little longer than SD card
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buZz >
24x32mm == SD
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buZz >
you are 26x46mm
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buZz >
so, bigger in all directions
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buZz >
probably also thicker :P
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zepanwucai >
um, I will fix it tonight
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buZz >
no worries, its justa suggestion!
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zepanwucai >
it is 25.4x44.65 mm
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buZz >
thats almost 50% wider
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zepanwucai >
yes, it is cased by FPC40 connector and micro usb
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zepanwucai >
in case to layout all pins, I have to enlarge it...
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MoeIcenowy >
so make things more precise is better ;-)
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zepanwucai >
about the carmera, do you have some suggestions?
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zepanwucai >
yes, I'm edit it now
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MoeIcenowy >
mainline CSI is a big TODO ;-)
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zepanwucai >
what about the ephy?
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plaes >
zepanwucai: you mean network?
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plaes >
montjoie knows better
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zepanwucai >
CSI, EPHY, CODEC is in TODO list now
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MoeIcenowy >
zepanwucai: codec is doing by me.
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zepanwucai >
oo, the bug is fixed now?
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zepanwucai >
wow, it is a big contribution
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willmore >
MoeIcenowy is kind of awesome. :)
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igraltist >
willmore: i remember correct do you have a c2?
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igraltist >
willmore: i just ask because if he powerfull enough to play a youtube videos over vnc
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willmore >
igraltist, yes, I have two C2.
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willmore >
Good question. I neither play youtube on them nor use VNC, so I have zero data on that.
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willmore >
I actually only ever play youtube on android devices.
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willmore >
Which is probably the only think keeping tkaiser from gutting me like a fish.
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willmore >
s/think/thing
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willmore >
You won't hear me complaining about mali or cedar.
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BenG83 >
MoeIcenowy, did you get that USB-eMMC adapter from Tl ?
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BenG83 >
It uses a NS1081 flash controller to USB bridge but all I get it
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BenG83 >
[ 3670.612760] usb 3-1: New USB device found, idVendor=2537, idProduct=9901
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BenG83 >
[ 3670.612765] usb 3-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
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BenG83 >
[ 3670.612771] usb 3-1: SerialNumber: 0123456789ABCDE
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BenG83 >
[ 3670.612769] usb 3-1: Manufacturer: Norelsys
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BenG83 >
[ 3670.612767] usb 3-1: Product: USB BOOTLOADER
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BenG83 >
so it looks like this needs firmware or sth
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BenG83 >
my new pinebook prototype PCB arrived
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BenG83 >
it has a single LPDDR3 chip now like sopine
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igraltist >
willmore: i dont think vnc can use of the gpu then cpu must have enought power
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igraltist >
i will create a remote browser system
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BenG83 >
H9CCNNNBLTBLARNUD
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igraltist >
i try this with the opipc but its not enough
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apritzel >
BenG83: so it's a SKHynix DRAM?
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BenG83 >
just cant find the datasheet
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BenG83 >
atm I am trying to find a way to load a firmware into this USB3 flash memory bridge
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apritzel >
BenG83: maybe it's just not mass storage, but some other generic protocol?
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apritzel >
like this USB firmware update stuff?
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BenG83 >
it is mass storage, but from what I read it needs a firmware for whatever flash memory is attached on the other end
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BenG83 >
this looks to me as if it is waiting for someone to upload firmware
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BenG83 >
or it needs a mode-switch like some umts modems
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BenG83 >
I havent tried if it works on Windows yet
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BenG83 >
it looks like this just with a socket for the eMMC module
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apritzel >
BenG83: but why do you need this to begin with? Can't you just boot via FEL or SD card and then flash it from Linux?
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BenG83 >
I just want to know how this tool works the is probably going to be shipped with the pinebook
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apritzel >
yeah, I just don't get why
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apritzel >
I mean, just put
*something* useful on it, so people can install or upgrade it live on the PB
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BenG83 >
maybe they think it's inconvenient for people to use FEL+UMS mode
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BenG83 >
ODROID also ships a sdcard adapter
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apritzel >
they could just provide an SD card image
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apritzel >
an updater, which can re-initialise the eMMC
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apritzel >
it's a piece of cake to do from U-Boot, even automatically
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beeble >
even fastboot would be a option. that works quite well for flashing prebuild images
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MoeIcenowy >
P.S. U-Boot seems to support fastboot
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MoeIcenowy >
but it can only support fastboot image that is smaller than device DRAM size
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beeble >
or hmm not sure
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MoeIcenowy >
I failed to flash a ~1GiB image on a C.H.I.P.
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MoeIcenowy >
because of it cannot allocate enough DRAM to place the image
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beeble >
it should split larger images into smaller chunks
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beeble >
at least it seems to do it with our uboot
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beeble >
have to check if we have a patched version
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MoeIcenowy >
maybe this feature hit u-boot recently
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MoeIcenowy >
CHIP uses quite old u-boot
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MoeIcenowy >
apritzel: unfortunately u-boot 2017.03-rc3 still cannot boot u-boot with SPL on A64
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beeble >
but at least i see transfers of about 50mb then a delay that would fit a flash write and then continues with transfers
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beeble >
MoeIcenowy: am i wrong or is it about 5am in your timezone?
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MoeIcenowy >
beeble: yes it is
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beeble >
ok, so still to soon to contact vendors in shenzhen :)
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beeble >
s/soon/early
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MoeIcenowy >
yes too early ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
I just cannot go to sleep
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MoeIcenowy >
jernej: thx
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jernej >
MoeIcenowy: at least those patches are needed if you work on sunxi-next
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beeble >
finaly found a vendor name in chinese in a qr code on the part i could translate
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beeble >
now i only have to hope the will response
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MoeIcenowy >
apritzel: what's the execution level that U-Boot without ATF is under on A64?
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MoeIcenowy >
s/execution/exception/g
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MoeIcenowy >
I think it's EL3 as we didn't run any firmware that runs in EL3, right?
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apritzel >
yes, EL3
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MoeIcenowy >
so I tried to jump to ATF via this early U-Boot
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apritzel >
RMR goes only from the highest expection to the highest exception level, possibly switching the bitness in between
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MoeIcenowy >
but this time ATF fails to set up EL3 mmu
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apritzel >
because U-Boot did already?
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MoeIcenowy >
maybe...
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apritzel >
MoeIcenowy: in general ATF expects to be the first in EL3
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MoeIcenowy >
but can we clean up the environment enough for running ATF?
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apritzel >
if you have too much spare time: sure
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MoeIcenowy >
oh the U-Boot code didn't clean up MMU...
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MoeIcenowy >
it just switch to EL2 for booting Linux
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apritzel >
each exception level has it's own page table setup
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MoeIcenowy >
so I think switch to EL2 just leave a empty page table to kernel, right?
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MoeIcenowy >
so finally we can only use FIT to load ATF...
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apritzel >
well, there are always other ways to get it going, question is only why you would do it
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apritzel >
on most systems ATF does the job of the SPL too
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apritzel >
which is called BL1 then
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MoeIcenowy >
on most systems? I checked the official ATF tree, and vendors other than ARM all seem to only use BL31...
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apritzel >
not all vendors are upstream
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apritzel >
but yes, some have their own proprietary SPL
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MoeIcenowy >
except QEMU ;-)
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apritzel >
MoeIcenowy: so you said that you can't boot U-Boot in 2017.03-rc3?
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MoeIcenowy >
maybe the patch is still after rc3
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apritzel >
did you mean you can't boot Linux?
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MoeIcenowy >
I mean SPL failed
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apritzel >
with some MMC error -19?
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MoeIcenowy >
the patch didn't hit rc3.
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apritzel >
nobody seemed to care for over a month ...
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MoeIcenowy >
but I saw "applied" in patchwork
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apritzel >
it's HEAD~1 of origin/master at the moment
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apritzel >
two patches after -rc3 ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
so it should hit 2017.03 stable
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apritzel >
yes, definitely
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apritzel >
if you fast forward to the current master, it should work
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MoeIcenowy >
P.S. the Pine64 WI-Fi module works very bad if the antenna is missing
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apritzel >
I am not surprised, such an open board with lot's of traces is not really radio-friendly ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
then I soldered a Dupont wire on it ;-)
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KotCzarny >
all rf devices work very bad without antenna ;)
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MoeIcenowy >
yes ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
and Pine64 didn't include any integrated antenna
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apritzel >
especially if you have signals running at high frequency next to it
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KotCzarny >
but it uses standard connector, yes?
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KotCzarny >
so not a problem
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apritzel >
I wonder how much noise the AXP next to it generates alone
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KotCzarny >
i have a bunch of good antennas from old thinkpads ;)
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MoeIcenowy >
P.S. my Thinkpad do have two free antennas, for WWAN (although it didn't come with WWAN card)
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KotCzarny >
and they are very good
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MoeIcenowy >
but I don't want to use them for other usages
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MoeIcenowy >
I will reserve them for when I want to install a 4 antenna WLAN card
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KotCzarny >
ask someone who has broken laptop to give you one?
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MoeIcenowy >
I'd prefer to buy a bunch ;-)
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KotCzarny >
that would work too, though the ending of the antenna does matter too
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MoeIcenowy >
the antenna like the one shipped with Orange Pis takes ¥0.8 on taobao
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MoeIcenowy >
and the shippment will take ¥8
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MoeIcenowy >
mripard: what should we do on the Wi-Fi card slot on Pine64? Enable it in main device tree, or make it an overlay?
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MoeIcenowy >
and the IR on Pine64 is also optional
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beeble >
MoeIcenowy: the link to your usb wip branch for a64 on the status matrix site is 404. did you move that branch somewhere else?
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MoeIcenowy >
now it's not WIP at all.
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MoeIcenowy >
we should remove it ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
oh it's already removed
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beeble >
did i miss the merge?
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apritzel >
beeble: USB support is in 4.11-rc1
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beeble >
ok, that i have just looked into the wrong branch
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apritzel >
MoeIcenowy: can't we somehow detect the Wifi module in U-Boot?
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MoeIcenowy >
we have now already rc kernel that have USB ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
apritzel: I think it's possible to detect whether a card is present ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
as all Wi-Fi modules should have a SDIO card ;-)
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beeble >
ah my fault. was still on the ethernet branch
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apritzel >
MoeIcenowy: yeah, I was thinking so
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MoeIcenowy >
P.S. I have a 4.11-rc1 branch that have H5 support, EMAC for A64/H5 and simplefbs for A64/H5
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apritzel >
MoeIcenowy: does this SDIO card have some kind of ID registers?
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MoeIcenowy >
apritzel: you can just try to send a MMC command to it
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MoeIcenowy >
s/MMC/SDIO
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MoeIcenowy >
SDIO cards may not respond MMC commands ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
and see whether it will respond
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MoeIcenowy >
P.S. I'm doing controller switching on PHY0 of H3 (V3s and A64 will soon also apply this)
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MoeIcenowy >
I think I should inform FreeBSD developers
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MoeIcenowy >
as they choose to use PHY 0 and 1 for the same PHY -- only different controllers
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MoeIcenowy >
which introduces device tree binding difference
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apritzel >
MoeIcenowy: which PHY? USB?
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apritzel >
we have plenty of them, you know ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
dt binding difference?
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apritzel >
Ethernet
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BenG83 >
MoeIcenowy, is it possible that RTL8723cs works without firmware?
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MoeIcenowy >
not possible at all.
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BenG83 >
I just realized I didnt add a firmware blob
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MoeIcenowy >
but rtl8723cs driver bundles blobs
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MoeIcenowy >
(all original drivers from RTL bundle blobs
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BenG83 >
I built the kernel module and copied that over
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MoeIcenowy >
(for drivers cleaned up by Larry Flinger, the blobs are debundled
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MoeIcenowy >
(but my 8723cs driver is based on allwinner one, which is based on RTL stock one, so the blobs are still bundled
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MoeIcenowy >
which is what I mentioned before
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MoeIcenowy >
note: it only cares on Pine64+ and Orange Pi PC2
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MoeIcenowy >
no other devices cared ;-)
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tkaiser >
MoeIcenowy: Are you in touch with FriendlyELEC?
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MoeIcenowy >
tkaiser: no ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
and I remember they're called FriendlyARM, did them changed their name?
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tkaiser >
MoeIcenowy: Don't know for sure but it seemed so. Also they seem to introduce another H5 board soon based on NanoPi M1 Plus (but with H3 exchanged)
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MoeIcenowy >
and I already known NEO2 ;-)
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BenG83 >
I was looking at cubieboards yesterday because a shop here hat discounted cubietruck 4 and 5
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BenG83 >
what is the story of the A80/A83T ?
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BenG83 >
never really took off?
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tkaiser >
BenG83: Ask wens, he's the only one who could answer ;)
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MoeIcenowy >
In fact I'm waiting for a Orange Pi that have 2GiB DRAM, H5 SoC and integrate a UASP bridge ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
maybe Orange Pi 3 can satisfy the former 2 properties, and an external UASP bridge can be used for 3rd
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jernej >
A83T boards are not so rare as A80, I even have one :)
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tkaiser >
jernej: BPi M3?
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MoeIcenowy >
but A83T support is as bad as A80
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jernej >
of course, sample
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MoeIcenowy >
I think FriendlyARM may not at least change its Chinese name ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
as they translated "ARM" to "arm" ("臂")
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jernej >
MoeIcenowy: I have plans to make U-Boot video driver for A83T as well...
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MoeIcenowy >
oh yes the Chinese website also says "Friendly ELEC" now
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MoeIcenowy >
although the Chinese name is still "友善之臂" (what FriendlyARM translates)
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BenG83 >
MoeIcenowy, did you get a new daughterboard with the pinebook mainboard?
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BenG83 >
I just tried to put mine together and realized the FFC changed
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MoeIcenowy >
BenG83: yes
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but I don't want to change my board now ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
I will wait for LPDDR support ;-)
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tkaiser: have you contacted FriendlyELEC people?
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tkaiser >
MoeIcenowy: Nope, the other way around. IIRC was a consequence of 'rootmydevice'. I'll send you contact details. Is the email address you use on github correct?
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MoeIcenowy >
I use two ;-)
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MoeIcenowy >
and now I try to use aosc.xyz one for development and outlook.com one for daily life ;-)
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tkaiser >
MoeIcenowy: Will then use aosc.xyz ;)
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MoeIcenowy >
P.S. I may try to directly call them, as it will only cost me local call fee -- both FriendlyARM and I are in Canton ;-)
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tkaiser >
MoeIcenowy: Tried to make a connection, you should have new email :)
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MoeIcenowy >
received your CC
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tkaiser >
MoeIcenowy: In case I wrote BS simply correct me. And no need to CC: me, you're old enough ;)
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