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<wens> Added H5 to mainline support matrix
<juri_> \o/
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<multi_io> does the bananapi r2 have the same default hardware switch over all its ethernet ports that the bananapi r1 has?
<wens> no idea, and it's not sunxi hardware
<multi_io> hm, right, it's a MediaTek CPU. didn't realize that.
<d0m> I'm trying to change DVFS settings on NanoPi A64, but strangely there's no script.bin in /boot
<d0m> the BSP build is pulling sys_config.fex during ./build pack, however none of the changes made to the FEX are reflected in the final image
<wens> we don't really do BSP builds here though :|
<d0m> I'd rather not as well, but can't find anything else for this board
<d0m> Pine64 images don't seem to work.
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<alexvf> rellla: sorry, i wasn't on the computer when you answered me
<alexvf> rellla: could you pass me the video you tested? or test this one https://samples.ffmpeg.org/MPEG-VOB/interlaced/uruseiyatsura.vob
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<KotCzarny> wens: is h5 only updated cores? i think there were more differences
<KotCzarny> more exact description would be 'mix of h3 and a64'
<wens> i wasn't really following the development of ARM64 chips
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<MoeIcenowy> KotCzarny: and SRAM layout change (this is like A64)
<MoeIcenowy> but external peripherals are very similar with H3
<MoeIcenowy> and pinout is compatible with H3
<KotCzarny> what about mali/ve ?
<KotCzarny> i think they were upgraded too
<KotCzarny> (but i dont remember exactly, so..)
<MoeIcenowy> mali is updated to 450
<MoeIcenowy> for VE I don't know
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<hojnikb> H5 is suppost to have VP9 and HEVC Main10 support
<hojnikb> But while allwinner's whitepapers suggest that (and it would make sense for a media device SoC) datasheet or android software doesn't seem to reference that.
<MoeIcenowy> do you have any 10-bit media?
<hojnikb> So this either boils down to Allwinner lying on their specs sheets (to attract customers) OR they didn't bother updating VE on the software side
<hojnikb> given how h5 doesn't have any notable design wins
<hojnikb> MoeIcenowy: Yes, i tried some 10 bit samples on android, but they don't work.
<MoeIcenowy> totally not playable? or fall back to (unusable) soft decode?
<hojnikb> not playable at all
<MoeIcenowy> tried to call cedar then failed?
<hojnikb> the included player in android build simply throws some error and stops
<KotCzarny> hojinkb, updated arm cores make it worthwhile
<KotCzarny> 2-2.5x faster neon unit
<KotCzarny> which really shows in android
<hojnikb> KotCzarny: not for the intended purpose they don't
<KotCzarny> as memcpy is neon optimized
<hojnikb> H5 is designed for OTT boxes, so the main thing is video decoding support
<hojnikb> if you don't have hevc main10 or vp9, it's pretty much useless
<KotCzarny> bah, it's designed for ott, but we (ab)use it in many ways ;)
<KotCzarny> and i wouldnt listen to marketing deparment at all
<hojnikb> Of course.
<MoeIcenowy> in fact linux-sunxi is the biggest Allwinner abusing group ;-)
<KotCzarny> i wonder how much revenue allwinner get from all those sbc vendors compared to phones/ott/tablet
<hojnikb> i'd say a tiny fraction at most
<hojnikb> SBCs don't exactly sell in volume
<KotCzarny> thousands? hundreds of thousands?
<hojnikb> i'd say a few 10k
<KotCzarny> and the nonsbc? millions?
<hojnikb> yeah
<KotCzarny> hrrm
<MoeIcenowy> I've heard only Nintendo NES Mini this one device made millions of chips sold
<hojnikb> if their focus was on SBCs, they would support linux from the get go
<KotCzarny> o.O
<hojnikb> Yeah, NES was a huge design win for them
<MoeIcenowy> or maybe tens of millions
<hojnikb> and means they will get used in other boxes as well
<KotCzarny> it's hard to believe
<hojnikb> like SNES
<hojnikb> It's actually a good thing SBCs use these off the shelf SoCs
<hojnikb> Because they are manufactured in huge volume, makes them cheap to purchase for SBC makers
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<MoeIcenowy> and R series is still target on fast product making, not good product making ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> and the target consumers of R series can accept a 3.4.39 kernel in 2017
<KotCzarny> yeah, black boxes best not connected to the internet
<KotCzarny> hehe
<wens> in contrast, look at the switch, which uses a custom variant of TX1, with custom software :p
<hojnikb> I dount tx1 is all that custom
<hojnikb> doubt*
<MoeIcenowy> hojnikb: it's said that the OS is a modified FreeBSD
<hojnikb> thats not surprising
<hojnikb> but i'm quite sure nvidia didn't bother making another mask just for a modified tx1
<MoeIcenowy> as PS4 have did this already
<MoeIcenowy> although on x86 consoles
<hojnikb> if anything, they designed tx1 around nintendo
<MoeIcenowy> P.S. Allwinner platform is still one of the important platforms in FreeBSD official support
<MoeIcenowy> of specifiedly, Pine64
<hojnikb> I think allwinner should design or rather cut down existing design especially around SBCs
<hojnikb> cut as much stuff as possible, that requires special licenses and patents.
<hojnikb> and open everything else for the community to tinker with
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<KotCzarny> that's assuming they have ultimate decisive power
<hojnikb> well yeah
<KotCzarny> might be that ip cores they bought are some as-low-and-cheap-you-have
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<hojnikb> thats my guess too
<hojnikb> i highly doubt they design much in house
<KotCzarny> i'm still baffled by 'millions of neswinners'
<hojnikb> but rather use existing IP and stich them together for as cheaply as possible
<KotCzarny> do people seriously buy them?
<KotCzarny> in the age of emulators?
<hojnikb> Yes
<hojnikb> ease of use
<hojnikb> is a big selling point
<hojnikb> believe it or not
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<KotCzarny> but there are better consoles on the market
<hojnikb> your average consumer doesn't care that
<KotCzarny> and those oldtimers are usually intelligent enough to know how to setup pc with gamepad and some software
<hojnikb> think of an average middle aged
<hojnikb> had NES back in childhood years
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<hojnikb> and wants to relive some of those memories
<hojnikb> NES classic is the easiest way to do that
<hojnikb> Just assuming most people are tech literate enough to setup an emulator
<hojnikb> is pretty utopic :)
<KotCzarny> this world amazes me sometimes
<hojnikb> Things that seem dead easy for us
<hojnikb> seems impossible to your average joe
<hojnikb> So this is the reason why such devices sell so well
<KotCzarny> but if it's true, i should dumb down my music player interface. ;)
<hojnikb> Yes, you should
<hojnikb> again, you'd be amazed how people are dumb
<hojnikb> If you work in such environment, you'd understand
<hojnikb> if you don't, it's a pretty hard concept to grasp i'll admit
<KotCzarny> yup
<KotCzarny> both are believable
<hojnikb> working in computer repair myself
<hojnikb> i see dumb things every day
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<KotCzarny> jehehe
<hojnikb> i must ask
<hojnikb> now that pinebook is closer to availability
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<hojnikb> how is the A64 support looking ?
<hojnikb> on legacy kernel anyway
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<KotCzarny> i think no one bothers with legacy kernels here
<KotCzarny> ie. only work being done with mainline
<hojnikb> What about media decoding
<hojnikb> does that work on mainline a64 kernel
<KotCzarny> cedrus page lists a64 in the supported table
<KotCzarny> so either it works, or someone just copypasted too much
<huawei> hojnikb, just some base support
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<tkaiser> Next H5 board around the corner: https://github.com/friendlyarm/h5_lichee/commits/master (H3 to H5 uprade for NanoPi M1 Plus, now called M1 Plus 2, no voltage regulation just like NEO2, everything else the same as M1 Plus except newer AP6212A needing also new firmware)
<tkaiser> Scary, it's 2017 and vendors still deal with something like sys_config_nanopi-m1-plus2.fex that gets then translated in a .dts by BSP scripts :)
<plaes> :(
<jelle> :(
<jelle> I'm more suprised how many board they keep producing..
<tkaiser> At least it made it easy for me to parse all technical details in 2 minutes (dealt way too much with H3 board fex files in the past ;)
<plaes> yeah, but still...
<tkaiser> jelle: Just exchange H3 with H5 and you're done from the hardware point of view. The problem was the software side. AFAIK this H5 BSP still is that broken that DVFS for example isn't possible with H5 boards.
<jelle> hah
<tkaiser> Remember: With BSP kernel OPi PC2 is limited to 1008 MHz since BSP kernel can't talk to ARISC. With mainline kernel voltage regulation works (bypassing ARISC)
<jelle> BSP kenel can't talk with the ARISC :S
<tkaiser> And FriendlyELEC now removed voltage regulation at all so both their new boards are limited to 1008MHz/1.1V anyway
* willmore shakes head
<tkaiser> jelle: Users tried to debug this but to no avail, just follow the link here if you want some headache ;) http://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03/14/nanopi-neo2-development-bord-powered-by-allwinner-h5-64-bit-arm-processor-sells-for-15/#comment-540143
<KotCzarny> they arent going to win any performance competitions, so as long it runs.. ;)
<KotCzarny> tkaiser, but according to thelinuxbug marvel armada is the thing to get when one wants data throughput
<KotCzarny> i'm jealous
<KotCzarny> and i regret not getting it while it was on kickstarter
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: Even the oldest ARMADA (XP) outperform most recent phone/tablet SoCs in this area... since they're made for that.
<jelle> where ondrej's patches ever merged?
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<rellla> alexvf: don't have one here, because i use it for livestream. but you can try one from http://solidrun.maltegrosse.de/~fritsch/
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<alexvf> rellla: i checked all the mpeg2 streams there and none of them have separate encoded fields
<alexvf> rellla: for example, if you have mediainfo, in these streams you can see "Format settings, picture structure : Frame"
<alexvf> rellla: in the ones i want to test you can see "Format settings, picture structure : Field"
<alexvf> rellla: if you could test the file i linked in the previous comment i would be very grateful, since i actually don't know if the fault is in libvdpau_sunxi or in my player implementation
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<alexvf> rellla: i have to leave now but i will continue reading tomorrow
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<rellla> alexvf: oh. first i think, i have to check, what exactly separate encoded fields are :S
<rellla> alexvf: couldn't you check that with mpv + libvdpau-sunxi?
<MoeIcenowy> I hope Banana Pi won't make a H5-based BPi M2+
<MoeIcenowy> or if they made it, they didn't feed the CPU with 1.3v
<KotCzarny> really? what makes you have ANY hopes in that regard?
<MoeIcenowy> ;-)
<MoeIcenowy> although I think this is impossible :-(
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<kb3vgw> whats the other irc channel for th nanopi-neo
<kb3vgw> mornign btw
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<kb3vgw> 440 somethign
<KotCzarny> maybe #friendlyarm ?
<kb3vgw> nope empty channel
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<KotCzarny> poor MoeIcenowy
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<kb3vgw> found it its #mini2440
<wens> oh wow
<KotCzarny> :>
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<KotCzarny> maybe folks here should get linux-sunxi.org email alias and commit from that address?
<kb3vgw> use armbian
<kb3vgw> on the banapi boards
<kb3vgw> its the best for them and the nanpio boards
<kb3vgw> it is basiclu\y mainsteam debian for arm
<MoeIcenowy> tkaiser: in fact I saw it some times ago
<kb3vgw> best images
<MoeIcenowy> I just hope they didn't really produce them
<MoeIcenowy> kb3vgw: tkaiser is just armbian developer.
<kb3vgw> ok
<KotCzarny> ;)
<kb3vgw> I like it thus far but then need to look into dietpi menu system
<kb3vgw> to install software pkgs
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: Yeah, I asked here a few weeks ago whether pin to pin compatibility and posted that picture IIRC. And why shouldn't they do a M2++ with H5? More trouble for their customers :)
<kb3vgw> I am trying to get the dietpi guy to move to armbian as a base
<kb3vgw> they have a new menu it seems
<MoeIcenowy> I can accept a M2++ with H5
<kb3vgw> wow
<MoeIcenowy> but
<MoeIcenowy> I cannot accept it feed H5 with 1.3v
<tkaiser> kb3vgw: Unfortunately he does it already with H3 boards. DietPi on H3/H2+ boards is crippled Armbian with menus. But please stop this discussion here it's totally off-topic!
<MoeIcenowy> even if they feed only 1.1v it will be better
<tkaiser> MoeIcenowy: BTW: It seems FriendlyELEC thought H5 wouldn't support voltage switching so they ended up with the current 1.1V by accident: http://www.cnx-software.com/2017/03/14/nanopi-neo2-development-bord-powered-by-allwinner-h5-64-bit-arm-processor-sells-for-15/#comment-540130
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<MoeIcenowy> is Mindee FriendlyARM engineer?
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<tkaiser> Nope, CEO ;)
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<willmore> tkaiser, yay!
<willmore> We just lost water here, so I'm going to be a bit busy for the next few hours dealing with that. I'll test later.
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<tkaiser> willmore: Your 'bug report' raised some interesting questions :) https://forum.armbian.com/index.php?/topic/3800-orange-pi-zero-mainline-broken/&do=findComment&comment=27669
<willmore> Sorry.
<willmore> I have a bad habbit of doing that.
<tkaiser> willmore: That's great, I love seeing a few useful threads in between the usual forum nightmare
<willmore> Then you're welcome.
<multi_io> after succesfully creating 2 VLANs with swconfig, the eth0.<vlan> devices don't exist. Shouldn't they?
<multi_io> (bananapi r1)
<willmore> tkaiser, juix.
<willmore> err, jinx
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<KotCzarny> multi_io: because that switch is quirky, have you seen the armbian page for it?
<KotCzarny> though it should work.
<KotCzarny> swconfig dev eth0 set apply 1
<KotCzarny> you've missed that line
<KotCzarny> or not. hrm
<multi_io> I have that line
<multi_io> I'm running Armbian -- what page for the switch do you mean?
<KotCzarny> you need to add vlans manually i guess
<KotCzarny> ip link add link eth0 name eth0.101 type vlan id 101
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<KotCzarny> etc
<KotCzarny> or you can use mainline with updated kernel/driver/config
<multi_io> on https://docs.armbian.com/Developer-Guide_Build-Options/ they say that the wireless driver only works in the default branch, not mainline (next)
<multi_io> that's why I chose default
<KotCzarny> don't know, it might be outdated
<multi_io> your ip link add command worked it seems, thanks
<KotCzarny> no worries, but you really should go mainline
<multi_io> why do you think that you no longer need that in mainline?
<KotCzarny> i think everything is supported
<KotCzarny> because mainline has aother driver for that 'switch'
<tkaiser> multi_io: wireless on R1 is crap anyway and RealTek drivers in mainline are always better. And regarding the switch driver in mainline (skip the first 100 comments especially mine ;) https://github.com/igorpecovnik/lib/issues/511
<tkaiser> multi_io: Here's the full list of necessary hardware modifications to be happy with Crapboard R1: https://forum.armbian.com/index.php?/topic/3786-lamobo-r1-hardware-mods-all-needed/
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<KotCzarny> i should make pics of my banana
<tkaiser> KotCzarny: dick pics?
<KotCzarny> perv
<KotCzarny> nice wifi mod
<KotCzarny> lol
<KotCzarny> 'wiggle to desolder', seriously? ;)
<KotCzarny> as for the hdd mod, you can already buy 'sata extender' cable
<multi_io> well, that's embarrassing...
<KotCzarny> which allow you to connect data to board and leave power port on the hdd free for direct plug to psu
<multi_io> configuring two VLANs isn't enough to isolate two sets of ports from each other on this board??
<KotCzarny> multi_io: after configuring, yes, but in DEFAULT state all are joined
<multi_io> yeah, I can live with that I think
<KotCzarny> just dont put any important data/devices on that network ;)
<multi_io> maybe I don't understand this enough...this is supposed to become an home router, i.e. the typical WAN/LAN separation
<multi_io> what can happen if I configure the switch/VLANs before I bring up the pppoe session?
<KotCzarny> yes, but imagine power outage, then after power coming back your network is exposed to wan
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<multi_io> I'm running the pppoe session from the device itself
<KotCzarny> before configuring this 'switch' acts like a hub ;)
<KotCzarny> then packets from the modem will be forwarded to/from other ports in the device
<KotCzarny> s/modem/wan cable/
<multi_io> even before I'm running pppoe?
<KotCzarny> yup
<tkaiser> multi_io: Please read from here on https://forum.armbian.com/index.php?/topic/549-banana-pi-r-as-router/&page=2#comment-15959 (and StefanB's comment)
<KotCzarny> imagine connecting your wan cable and your lan to plain hub
<KotCzarny> so it would be possible to initiate pppoe session from devices in the lan
<multi_io> yeah I'm just thinking...before I start up the pppoe session there is nothing happening on the WAN cable
<KotCzarny> but, if you connect li-ion battery, you should be quite safe
<multi_io> ok, that's correct
<KotCzarny> still, reboots happen
<multi_io> if it reboots, the pppoe session should go down
<multi_io> or not? :P
<KotCzarny> would be the same as reconnecting the wan cable to plain hub
<KotCzarny> unless you terminate it first during reboot
<multi_io> which armbian-supported board would you recommend for this setup?
<KotCzarny> clearfog maybe
<KotCzarny> ;)
<multi_io> doesn't seem to have a WLAN adapter
<KotCzarny> it has a minipcie slot
<multi_io> why the ;) ? :P
<KotCzarny> because it's different class of device
<tkaiser> multi_io: you don't want to run firewall/router stuff on a device with HDMI port. Attack surface of all display related stuff is way too high. And then you could use any cheap 'smart' GBit switch supporting VLANs with any GBit Ethernet capable sunxi device and you get something better than Crapboard R1 utilizing VLANs.
<tkaiser> multi_io: NanoPi NEO2 + 'smart' switch + USB dual-band/dual-antenna Wi-Fi dongle for example.
<tkaiser> multi_io: But if I were you I would immediately drop the 'Armbian requirement' and choose an appropriate TP-Link Wi-Fi router that can run LEDE/OpenWRT.
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<KotCzarny> o.O
<KotCzarny> whose nick starts with p and has 4 letter?
<KotCzarny> eh, wrong chan.
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<willmore> The p is silent.
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<skaag_> not my pee
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