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<smaeul> scanning bus dwc3@5200000 for devices... 2 USB Device(s) found
<smaeul> wooo, got USB3 boot working on H6 :D patchset at https://github.com/smaeul/u-boot/commits/h6-dwc3
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<Werner> Nice
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<damex> is there is no >=4gb sbc available for sunxi?
<damex> >=4gb ram
<montjoie> 3gb max in my memory
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<sunshavi> damex pine 64?
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<damex> sunshavi: pine h64 (rev b) has 3gb ram. i think it is the largest one with allwinner
<vagrantc> so, i've been running linux 5.7-rc5 on a pinebook, and it appears to work, but sometimes after the computer's been idle for a while and the screen blanks, the backlight doesn't turn back on
<sunshavi> damex: I was not right. perhaps it is time for another soc develop with the community
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<damex> it is just raspberry pi does it gain. last thingds they did and almost no one pick up - exposed pins 'for poe' and now it is enormous amount of ram (for such sbc) at very little extra cost.
<damex> i thought there might be other boards that could offer something similar
<sunshavi> damex: right. You know being mainstream have its advantages. But also openness has its own advantages too.
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<[TheBug]> damex: what is the important thing you are lacking, memory? There are others who have POE hats or POE solutions that work with their boards -- this isn't something that new because RPi did it..
<[TheBug]> damex: most vendors don't add over 4Gb because of the actual cost of the chips -- my understanding was for RPi to pull this off they actually had to custom order the 8GB chips specially and its amazing they fit that into a reasonable BOM cost
<[TheBug]> So they probably took a big chance there ordering and producing without knowing how popular it would really be -- the other vendors don't do not move the same amount of units where it is possible to take a gamble and invest in higher memory when it is possible it could just sit on a shelf and never sell
<damex> [TheBug]: there is two important things i am lacking - memory and poe (one cable to power and transfer data to the board from switch). 1gb is barely enough considering you want to have agressive caching. i find 4gb to be in a very good spot when you use rpi4. for my use case - i manage to utilize it more efficiently when there is more memory available. 2-4 gb boards is fine but sometime you just need more memory to run something.
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<[TheBug]> damex: immediately the NanoPi M4 comes to mind to fit that criteria
<[TheBug]> I believe they have 4Gb and POE
<[TheBug]> but would have to confirm that as I am going from memory
<[TheBug]> (noting you need a poe hat I beleive)
<damex> [TheBug]: i wonder if it is the same poe hat as on raspberry or their own solution...
<damex> thanks, gonna check it now
<[TheBug]> I will actually look again cause I am not 100% on that
<[TheBug]> as well
<[TheBug]> damex: I may have been wrong about POE it seems, I thought I had read they had a hat for it but am not fiinding it
<damex> yeah, checked their website and can't find anything about poe neither
<damex> atleast it has 4gb ram
<[TheBug]> damex: actually just to give you some thoughts -- for boards that run on 5v2A you could easily buy a POE splitter end that splits a DC jack out for you so you could utilize it for power at the end of the cable - could be an easy sub for having direct POE
<[TheBug]> something like
<damex> problem with it is that you have extras hanging next to the board. it is much more prefferable is to have something like 'poe hat'
<[TheBug]> I get it, just saying there are some options out there
<[TheBug]> really those cables don't add very much when it comes down to it though, you already gonna be running the Ethernet there
<[TheBug]> just takes an extra dc to dc or dc to USB cable to supply power I guess
<[TheBug]> believe it or not that is what Hardkernel suggests if you want to use POE is to use those splitters
<[TheBug]> ohh I see
<[TheBug]> so its a bunch in one place
<[TheBug]> I thought i t was more like you were trying to run the board on other side of house or something not a group of them
<[TheBug]> so yeah then those splitters would such
<[TheBug]> suck*
<[TheBug]> ;/
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<damex> i tried using something like extra 5xUSB charger or 5v dc psu like meanwell in place of poe. it hurts when you don't have a remote ability to toggle the power of the board and space it takes is suboptimal (plus requires extra wall plug and lots of cables)
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<damex> i think 150w ubiquiti poe switches and rpi4+poe hat deployments spoiled me
<[TheBug]> no I get it you have to add levels of complexity -- like I can actually picture a few solutions but in all cases it becomes convoluted as you mention
<[TheBug]> I mean those splitter cabled arguably suck and wouldn't be super awesome for your use case but I am still thinking using something like that would probably be the closest to just having POE On board -- trying to power by USB and different PSU in your setup just makes toggling a single unit off on all the more harder -- while you would have the extra cables, at least with the splitter you
<[TheBug]> keep your level of complexity lower
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<[TheBug]> damex: well if I come across something else that has POE that may fit your requirements and your around here i'll let you know -- I feel like there hasn't to be another board that isn't coming to mind at the moment that could fit that use case
<[TheBug]> s/hasn't/has
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<damex> about splitter - i find it pretty hard to find something good (branded, properly tested and that has a decent quality). most decent one i found is from 'uctronics' - sold by tons of other 'stores/brands' that actually ship you uctrons splitter.
<damex> it has to be an active one since you get 48v or 54v on input (if active poe or 24v if passive).
<damex> [TheBug]: thanks, hopefully something comes up :)
<damex> actually tplink has one but its size... its like two rpi-like boards stacked on top of each other :/
<[TheBug]> damex: this is an interesting prospect: https://www.ebay.com/i/174103670275?chn=ps
<damex> [TheBug]: i think it is gonna be uctronics :)
<damex> or something noname
<[TheBug]> well that is interesting as it has active power
<[TheBug]> so seems you can put your full 24/48v and it will down convert to 5v for you
<damex> yeah
<damex> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32620368747.html that one ships 'uctronics' - i got last batch of adapters from them last time.
<[TheBug]> honestly, barring your argument for quality, that does seems like a reasonable while a bit costly solution
<damex> yeah, considering that poe hat with fan is 20-25$
<[TheBug]> yeah that looks ideal tbh
<[TheBug]> especially if you can order them in bulk for cheaper there
<[TheBug]> interesting as until I started looking I didn't even know that was an option lol
<damex> https://github.com/PiSupply/PiPoE this one 'kinda fine' fit if 100mbit is enough and extra height is acceptable
<damex> and board has rpi-like formfactor
<[TheBug]> T-1 hour to liftoff for SpaceX Demo-2
<mru> aaargh, that's not how "T minus" is used
<mru> there isn't a rule that says "put T-minus in front of all times when talking about space things"
<[TheBug]> lol
<mru> T is the reference point
<[TheBug]> thats what they said on the live feed so just repeating their idiocy I guess
<mru> T - 1h means 1 hour before time T
<[TheBug]> ya actually about 1hour 17 minues out it seems
<mru> you would't say "it's now 7 o'clock time to lift-off"
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<[TheBug]> damex: sent you a message
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