<Ixnus>
I feel h313/h616 can get mainline support because are made of already supported blocks.
<Ixnus>
Still H6 has USB3 and better GPU panfrost support (t720 vs g31)
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<cardboard64>
I have weird problem with my A23 tablet
<cardboard64>
when I write any image to an uSD card and try to boot from that, the LCD lights up and nothing happens. then, when I remove the SD card, my tablet boots normally from NAND
<cardboard64>
is this normal behaviour?
<cardboard64>
I can't use the UART when I have an SD in because of multiplexing, so no debug log
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<buZz>
cardboard64: could be normal behaviour, sure
<buZz>
just that the backlight turns on, doesnt mean its outputting the right data to the lcd :)
<cardboard64>
and the booting from nand after eject the SD stuff ? I expected my tablet to be stuck in uboot/kernel stuff, not to continue booting
<buZz>
you installed uboot?
<buZz>
some kernels do reboot the device on panics
<cardboard64>
nand has manufacturer-provided android/uboot (I guess), sd has uboot from my builds or probuilt from the internet (tried with A20/H3/A33 uboots, can't find any for A23)
<buZz>
android doesnt normally come with uboot, no
<buZz>
isnt A23 just A20 without HDMI?
<buZz>
and without SATA
<cardboard64>
A20 is sun7i, while A23 is sun9i
<cardboard64>
*sun8i
<KotCzarny>
that doesnt mean anything
<KotCzarny>
more important is what pieces it shares with other socs
<cardboard64>
so, A23 is closest to A20? or is it closer to H3 ou A33?
<buZz>
-afaik- A23 is just a costreduced A20
<KotCzarny>
you mean 'castrated'
<buZz>
:)
<buZz>
i'd love one of those android tablets to have SATA :D
<KotCzarny>
buzz: do it H3 style, with usb chip ;)
<mru>
usb is such a horrible connection
<buZz>
:D lol
<buZz>
maybe one day allwinner will make a soc with sata again
<mru>
at least now all the high-speed links use the same phy
<KotCzarny>
make sata great again!
<buZz>
:D
<montjoie>
YEAH
<mru>
hail satan!
<buZz>
none have PCIe thusfar, right?
<KotCzarny>
i think usb might be the new vhs
<KotCzarny>
but 4.8ghz/2.4ghz harmonics arent good for humanity
<mru>
eh?
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<KotCzarny>
and bees, dont forget the bees
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<mru>
I think you're confusing EM radiation with pesticides
<KotCzarny>
i think i've read somewhere that 2.4ghz violates hard their own wireless communication
<mru>
bees have built-in wifi now?
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<plaes>
buZz: h6 has PCIe but it has design flaw and is not usable by default in Linux
<buZz>
oooo, cool!
<buZz>
that means maybe some later model will implement it in usable state ;)
<Ashleee>
I am actually interested in making use of those cheap allwinners into a small compute boxes for BOINC. I've got eight Pine64+ and one OPi Zero and now one Tanix TX6 on the way (to be hacked to run BOINC in Deb Buster)
<Ashleee>
so I was interested in seeing how much better H616 vs H6 is as they are priced similar those Tanix TX6/TX6S
<fALSO>
is it worth ?
<fALSO>
the processing power?
<Ashleee>
I'd make my own boards even (as I need just the CPU, 3GB RAM, eMMC/SD card slot and Gbit Eth) but I've never laid out any high speed stuff on a board...
<Ashleee>
compared to power usage, yeah
<Ashleee>
you can run *a lot* of them for very low power usage
<fALSO>
a cheap computer probably would be better for that kind of thing
<Ashleee>
7x Pine64 with a Gbit switch eats about 40W from the socket
<fALSO>
my opinion
<fALSO>
most of the boinc clients dont even exist for arm
<Ashleee>
Rosetta does :P
<Ashleee>
sadly no WCG
<Ashleee>
TN-Grid runs as well
<Ashleee>
and Universe@Home for the remaining cores as it uses only 10MB RAM
<fALSO>
well if you dont have nothing to do with or money, do it :-)
<fALSO>
it wont get any results soon
<fALSO>
rosetta requires about 2gb of ram just to *run*
<Ashleee>
nope, the worst tasks are about 1.2GB RAM
<Ashleee>
ok there was one memleaking so I had to kill that one, otherwise no issues
<Ashleee>
you're wrong there :P I've been running them for a fwe weeks now and they have done quite a lot of tasks... the electricity costs about 1.5 cigrettes worth a day and considering I don't smoke it's pretty cheap to run
<Ashleee>
and have 35 cores running non stop
<Ashleee>
rosetta tasks take about 8 hours
<fALSO>
probably running one computer for one day
<Ashleee>
on Ryzen 2700 they are about 1.5 hours
<fALSO>
would do all those tasks
<fALSO>
hehehe
<fALSO>
its a good project, do it
<Ashleee>
but then again R2700 uses 85W to run 12 tasks
<fALSO>
i dont really trust the *results* of those projects
<fALSO>
running something for months, without getting anything in return
<fALSO>
even if your machines find something, you dont get to know it
<fALSO>
it was the same in seti
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<fALSO>
for what you know, youre helping someone to crack passwords or something :-)
<Ashleee>
;)
<buZz>
Ashleee: 694 processes on my Atom C3758 , 15W
<Ashleee>
still better than trying to do bitcoin stuff tbh
<fALSO>
lol bitcoin
<buZz>
of those 694 -many- are full blockchain nodes , yes ;)
<Ashleee>
8c Atom?
<buZz>
yes
<Ashleee>
oh the new ones
<buZz>
serveratom
<buZz>
its running fanless even
<fALSO>
i dont really think is a great idea to run stuff that keep constantly at 100% on these boards
<fALSO>
but --- thats my idea :)
<Ashleee>
;)
<buZz>
fALSO: yolo :D
<Ashleee>
better than them laying on the table and having dust on them
<fALSO>
yes, but they normally cost money
<buZz>
just cool em enough, probably fine for a year ;)
<fALSO>
ashleee, i recently bought a new computer
<fALSO>
ashleee, it would be nice for that
<fALSO>
Ryzen 7 3700X
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<buZz>
those 8 cores of C3758 combined , are -just- a bit faster than 1 core of my desk xeon
<fALSO>
8 cores - 16threads
<fALSO>
32 gb of ram
<buZz>
E3-1226 v3
<fALSO>
and a nvidia gtx 1600
<fALSO>
1660 SUPER
<fALSO>
love these names
<buZz>
(at compiling linux kernel with defconfig)
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<Ashleee>
trying to place the performance at something I work with
<Ashleee>
the Atom isn't cheap to get is it
<Ashleee>
seeing prices around 700EUR with tax
<buZz>
correct, actual server hw isnt cheap
<buZz>
unless its seriously outdated
<buZz>
i -think- i paid 400 eur for this board
<Ashleee>
you telling me, I've decomissioned 30 servers at work last week... all Nehalem I think
<buZz>
Ashleee: more, but would they be anywhere near the speed and power efficiency?
<buZz>
unlikely imho
<Ashleee>
I wouldn't be so sure
<fALSO>
i bought a cheap dell i5 desktop from ebay
<fALSO>
and use it as my home server
<Ashleee>
also remember that you can decomission them separately vs just this at once
<fALSO>
Linux dell 5.6.11-gentoo-x86_64 #2 SMP Sun May 10 01:14:36 WEST 2020 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM) i5-4590 CPU @ 3.30GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux
<fALSO>
its pretty good
<fALSO>
added 16GB of ram to it
<fALSO>
it was +- 200€
<Ashleee>
I have got two 2500k at home... with 24/32GB RAM
<buZz>
fALSO: nurdspace.nl also uses a desktop dell i5 as server :P
<DonkeyHotei>
buZz: is that the one with the on-chip crypto core?
<buZz>
its horrible at IO
<buZz>
DonkeyHotei: could be, yeah
<fALSO>
depends on the hdds
<fALSO>
i dont have money to put ssds on it
<fALSO>
:)
<Ashleee>
for 200EUR you can almost get the new Ryzen 3100 and relevant motherboard heh
<Ashleee>
ok just without memory
<fALSO>
yap, probly just the cpu
<buZz>
DonkeyHotei: 'intel QAT' it seems, you're talking about that?
<buZz>
doubt i'm using any of that
<fALSO>
this was 200EUR the full desktop, with 8gb of ram
<fALSO>
i just added the HDDs hehe
<buZz>
our dell desktop was just ewaste, free
<DonkeyHotei>
nothing uses it, yes
<fALSO>
nice!
<buZz>
maxed out ram, 2x 4TB on it now, SSD for OS and bcache
<fALSO>
AWESOME
<buZz>
and UPS obv
<mru>
I've just ordered myself a 16-core amd epyc, should be fast
<fALSO>
i run jenkins on mine, doing auto builds of uboot and kernel and stuff
<fALSO>
pretty awesome
<buZz>
:) nice
<buZz>
anyone here run maemo leste on any allwinners? :)
<buZz>
latest version have been getting better and better, its lovely
<buZz>
(i'm not running it on any allwinner though)
<Ashleee>
buZz, how did you measure those 15W? Because the rated TDP is 25W at full load.. Intel TDP :)
<Ashleee>
plus memory plus everything around
<buZz>
Ashleee: yeah, on full load the server takes ~40W total , its running at 20W now
<buZz>
so a guestimate
<Ashleee>
still remember the early Atoms
<buZz>
i once tried to sync a bitcoin node on a atom 330
<buZz>
back in .. 2013 iirc
<buZz>
took over 4 weeks :D
<Ashleee>
oh dear
<buZz>
on this atom , i can do it within 6 hrs
<Ashleee>
"it kept commiting into the history faster than it could sync"
<buZz>
either way, those C3xxx atoms are no jokes
<buZz>
if you get the chance, get one
<buZz>
or not, what do i care ;)
<Ashleee>
400EUR is too much to shell out at once for this.. already have one Atom in NAS :D
<Ashleee>
either way still interested in the allwinner H616
<sunshavi>
buZz: has anyone besides Wizzup got leste running on allwinner cpu?
<buZz>
sunshavi: i bet parazyd has ;)
* buZz
afk
<sunshavi>
nice to know.
<parazyd>
Yeah, it works
<parazyd>
On A20 and whatever the Pinephone has
<parazyd>
A20 == Olimex LIME2
<parazyd>
sunshavi: ^
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<sunshavi>
parazyd: i have a10 and h3
<sunshavi>
probably it should work
<Wizzup>
parazyd: maybe we should do a new sunxi image
<parazyd>
Both should, yeah.
<Wizzup>
I did update my pinetab today and it's working ok still
<Wizzup>
(w/ lima)
<parazyd>
Wizzup: Yes, we might. There's also the .bg tablet what we stopped testing on.
<parazyd>
(At least I stopped)
<Wizzup>
I think just some panel updates were required
<sunshavi>
those are good news. on h3 should be more simple sunxi-fel. And leste could boot from a pendrive
<buZz>
i still have a A13 tablet gatherimg dust
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<willmore>
fALSO, 3700x here as well. :)
<fALSO>
its pretty cool
<fALSO>
running gentoo on it and running make -j16 its pretty awesome ;-)
<willmore>
Sadly Windows on mine.
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<willmore>
Ashleee, I'm on the other end of your server decomissioning process--I've bought two old Dell servers in the last year. :)
<willmore>
Both Dual Xeon X5660 boxes.
<mru>
is the 3700x based on zen2?
<willmore>
mru, yes,
<willmore>
8 cores, 16 threads.
<willmore>
32MB of L3 cache.
<willmore>
I remember when I got my first new PC in the early 90's. AMD 486DX40 w/4MB of memory. wouldn't even qualify as a decent microcontroller these days.
<montjoie>
but it is enough for doom and wolf3d
<mru>
I'm having high hopes for the epyc 7302p I ordered
<mru>
not as high clock, but twice the cores
<mru>
and piles of cache
<montjoie>
never forget IO, cores without high speed IO disk is useless
<mru>
how about a pcie 4.0 nvme?
<buZz>
bcache exists :P
<buZz>
saves you a bit of IO in exchange for IO
<buZz>
lol
<willmore>
montjoie, yes it was!
<montjoie>
willmore: I remember playing wolf3d with PC speaker, and suddently THE GIFT, a soundblaster
<montjoie>
omg they speak!
<mru>
I remember playing wolf3d on a 286
<willmore>
montjoie, too bad I only used herculese mono at that time--too poor for a color monitor. Heck, my next monitor was an NEC 2GS mono VGA monitor. At least I could play graphical games--even though I got not color.
<montjoie>
at least I started with a VGA
<willmore>
I have a 286 in the basement. Wonder if I should get it running to play some old games? ;)
<montjoie>
hardcore, try v4v
<fALSO>
damn pc speaker
<fALSO>
remember -> SUMMER GAMES
<fALSO>
and WINTER GAMES
<fALSO>
with pc speaker on, and breaking the keyboard, by pressing the keys as hard as you could
<fALSO>
;-D
<willmore>
montjoie, No, I don't think I should. I have a feeling I'll lose the rest of the day to it. ;)
<montjoie>
my first stage was in a ciment industry, everything was controled by some MULTI 486 MB
<montjoie>
ultimate class!
<montjoie>
it was my dream
<fALSO>
=)
<montjoie>
running linux on a 4x486
<fALSO>
no person should have so much power
<fALSO>
;-))))))))))))))))))))))
<fALSO>
4x486, next step take over the world
<fALSO>
didnt even knew that smp existed for 486
<fALSO>
i have a very old powerpc mac, dual cpu
<fALSO>
g3 i think
<montjoie>
the OS was some realtime, didnt remember the name
<fALSO>
i know a company that still uses a pentium 2
<fALSO>
with SCO UNIX
<fALSO>
to control some weird hardware
<fALSO>
if that machine dies, the whole company stops LOL
<willmore>
I inhereted a DEC 4xPPro200 system in the late 90's. That thing was awesome. :)
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<mru>
back in 2002, I worked at a place that used an 8086 PC to control a test rig
<mru>
the company is still in business, so I assume they've replaced it
<Ashleee>
willmore, I decomissioned 13x Dell R610, 2x Dell R620 (the iDRAC has died) and 15x Lenovo x3550 M3 :D took all the RAM and HDDs out and put them to other servers (Fujitsu S7/Dell R620) for extra storage
<Ashleee>
but not worth keeping tbh, they were all dual 6c12t (so 12c24t), one Ryzen 3900X can do the same at much less power...
<Ashleee>
and more speed than old Nehalems
<ShadowJK>
megi, why would you assume it has been replaced