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<beach> Good morning everyone!
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<White_Flame> hey, beach. I read your sliding-gc paper a bit ago. I'm curious about how sizing the nursery to the total CPU cache size made sense in terms of threading & multicore
<White_Flame> do the nursery compactions occur & run in each mutator thread when they need it while everything else runs concurrently, or is this still a single-threaded stop-the-world GC that can assume all the cache resources?
<moon-child> I'm trying to write my own version of 'and'. Here's my first crack at it http://sprunge.us/G3Kc7r?cl
<White_Flame> you can't APPLY a special form, only functions
<moon-child> doesn't work, of course. But is there something I can do to 'parm' to see its contents other than (list ,@parm)
<White_Flame> it's a list
<White_Flame> so you can ,@(mapcar .... parm)
<White_Flame> and make a form per parm
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<moon-child> I figured out a better way http://sprunge.us/0hZxsC?cl
<White_Flame> when looping over PARM, you could print the current parameter (at compile time) to show you what exactly it can see
<White_Flame> sure, that could work. Macroexpand it to see if it makes some extra terminator clauses in there, although the compiler would hopefully optimize things out
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<White_Flame> eg, at the terminator you might end up with an (IF T T NIL)
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<moon-child> ah - yep, you're right
<no-defun-allowed> moon-child: Why the underscore in my_and, and the blank lines between the cases?
<moon-child> 1. no good reason. I haven't written lisp in a while, so I forgot how good kebabs were. 2. clarity
<no-defun-allowed> In Common Lisp, AND is specified to return the last form if the others are true, so it is unnecessary to wrap the last form in a (if <test> t nil).
<no-defun-allowed> Something beach told me, is that it's nicer to put the "base case" of a recursive function or macro at the start, so the body would be (if (null parm) t <handle non-null parm>)
<beach> White_Flame: Each application thread runs a nursery collection as it needs it.
<no-defun-allowed> (And, well, you will probably end up with a COND for the three cases: no forms, one form, and more than one form.)
<beach> White_Flame: I make sure there are no pointers from the global heap to the nurseries, so each mutator thread can run its GC independently of the others.
<moon-child> no-defun-allowed: right. (Actually, the reason I'm going through this exercise is I'm building my own lisp and my 'and' definition had some trouble. So, don't have cond yet)
<no-defun-allowed> I would define COND before AND.
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<beach> moon-child: Also, page 13 of the LUV slides by Norvig and Pitman tells us not to use a default value as if it were a Boolean. Here, PARM is not a Boolean, but a list. So, that's another reason to follow the advice of no-defun-allowed, i.e. (if (null parm) ...)
<White_Flame> beach: I'm just saying re the cache sizes, that for instance the L1+L2 sizes are a lot smaller than the total cache size of the CPU
<White_Flame> so if the total CPU cache size is 4MB, and each thread has a 4MB nursery, they don't all get the cache effect
<beach> White_Flame: I didn't take the cache size into consideration, but maybe I should.
* no-defun-allowed expects an eight minute instrumental while compiling moon-child's Lisp implementation
<moon-child> beach: haven't seen those slides. What's wrong with using a default value as a boolean?
<beach> White_Flame: The size is based on how long a GC would take and it has to be short enough to handle applications such as sound processing.
<moon-child> no-defun-allowed: you need and for variadic =, which came up earlier
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<no-defun-allowed> Good point.
<beach> moon-child: Elementary maintainability. You need to inform the person reading your code as soon as possible whether it is a Boolean or a list or something else with a default value.
<White_Flame> beach: right, and if how long it takes relies on it being fully in cache, then if there are other threads running, then it won't be fully in cache
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<White_Flame> (as multiple threads of discussion thrash beach cache ;) )
<no-defun-allowed> COND can be implemented with only IF (and the expansion creating stuff like LIST, but "only IF"), no?
<moon-child> beach: if you see the macro takes the param as &rest, you know right away it's a list
<beach> moon-child: You expose your code for others to read, so I assume you want remarks on it. If you don't, I'll be quiet.
<beach> White_Flame: Yeah, I should consider those issues at some point.
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<beach> White_Flame: I don't know enough about multi-core architectures, so I don't know which cache is specific to a core and which one is not.
<White_Flame> L1 & L2 tend to be per-core, while L3 is a shared pool
<White_Flame> for instance, the big threadrippers have 256MB of L3, but 512KB of per-core L2
<beach> So then, ideally, the nursery should not be larger than L1+L2.
<White_Flame> and each core's resources is split between 2 threads
<beach> Hmm, yes, I see.
<beach> Complicated.
<White_Flame> however, including L3 in the pool, you can just divide that by the thread count and get some other estimate, too
<beach> I understand.
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<beach> White_Flame: I think what is going to have the most impact on performance is the parallel and concurrent global collector.
<beach> I can assign all the idle cores to it. :)
<White_Flame> yep. (if there are any ;) )
<beach> Otherwise, I'll have to assign some of them anyway.
<White_Flame> relative timings of caches from a few years back: https://stackoverflow.com/a/4087331
<beach> Very interesting. Thanks.
<White_Flame> assuming pipeline depths in the 20s or so, anything outside L2 is more expensive than a branch prediction miss
<beach> It is getting very hard to write software for optimal performance.
<White_Flame> yeah, fiddle & measure
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<White_Flame> but then again that would only reflect optimizations on your specific cpu/memory/motherboard/etc
<beach> ... which makes it even harder, yes.
<White_Flame> this is why I consider JITs to be better than AOT
<beach> Time for some physical exercise. I'll be back in 30 minutes or so.
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<beach> White_Flame: Maybe so, but JIT sounds very hard. It seems so easy to get it wrong and, as a consequence, to generate very bad code indeed.
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<solrize> http://akrl.sdf.org/gccemacs.html not CL but wowwwww
<solrize> makes me want even more to mess with purescript
* no-defun-allowed wonders how PureScript relates to Emacs Lisp and/or Common Lisp.
<solrize> that gccemacs page mentions that gccemacs lisp supports TCO, so it can be a reasonable backend to purescript
<solrize> although maybe it doesn't even need TCO for that
<phoe> oooh! it's the ELS presentation guy
<no-defun-allowed> So do SBCL, Clozure, CLISP, and approximately every Scheme compiler, but those implement sensible programming languages already.
<solrize> clisp doesn't implement TCO unless you explicitly run the compiler
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<solrize> every (not approximately every) scheme does it because the scheme definition requires it
<no-defun-allowed> Loading a system with ASDF will COMPILE-FILE files (I think?) so that isn't a problem.
<solrize> but, i don't know whether javascript does it, and JS is the main backend for PS
<solrize> hmm i haven't been using asdf
<solrize> i'll look into it
<luis> solrize: "explicitly running the compiler" makes it sound like that's uncommon or difficult. It's neither!
<solrize> it's more cruft
<phoe> lispers: haha #'compile go #<LAMBDA ...> NIL NIL
* phoe hides
<solrize> bah
<solrize> if it was reliable and automatic they could just write it into the language spec and get rid of LOOP
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<no-defun-allowed> Yeah, nah.
<no-defun-allowed> Extended LOOP is much easier to write than the equivalent in DO, simple LOOP or recursion, when applicable.
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<solrize> shrug i've never felt i wanted it but who knows
<beach> LOOP you mean?
<beach> If so: Wow!
<beach> And we should certainly not get rid of it, since it does much more than just iterate.
<beach> But I guess if you have never used it, you wouldn't know.
<splittist> And elegantly constructed DO is a wonderful thing. But sometimes LOOP is the clearest way to present your thinking to yourself, the compiler and future readers of the code.
<luis> splittist: I hate DO for some reason. :-)
<solrize> i've seen some pretty horrid examples though one can write horrid examples of anything
<solrize> there's a famous rant about LOOP by i think it may have been weinreb
<luis> solrize: using a Lisp compiler to compile Lisp code is cruft? I'm confused.
<splittist> luis: I do find I can fit the details of DO or LOOP in my brain, but not both at the same time.
<solrize> having compiled code implement TCO while interpreted code doesn't is cruft
<no-defun-allowed> solrize: Please show us on the REPL where (loop for x in list when (plusp x) minimize x) hurt you.
<phoe> it's up to the implementations to implement TCO, the standard says nothing about that
<solrize> what does that even do?
<solrize> phoe, right, if the standard said TCO was required then much cruft could go away
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<phoe> solrize: ...are you seriously complaining about LOOP without understanding LOOP
<no-defun-allowed> That would return the smallest positive number in LIST.
<no-defun-allowed> Yeah, no, LOOP and imperative algorithms wouldn't magically disappear if you had tail call elimination.
<solrize> (apply #'min (filter #'plusp x)) ?
<solrize> or rather reduce
<no-defun-allowed> That conses up an additional list in the middle.
<luis> solrize: it's nice that Lisp compilers let you turn the O in TCO off, since it's a speed/space vs debug trade-off.
<solrize> no-defun-allowed, that's why optimizing compilers were invented ;)
<phoe> if you want to prove something, then yes, iteration is fully equivalent to filtering+application+reduction
<no-defun-allowed> You would either want deforestation in the compiler, or something like SERIES which...does deforestation. Well, you would want deforestation then.
<phoe> and Lisp is a multi-paradigm language, which is why we actually have both in the standard
<luis> loop's great. reduce's great. It's all good. Except DO. DO is evil. :)
<solrize> lisp is imperative; if it were multi-paradigm then TCO would be in the standard ;)
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<solrize> being able to turn it off for debugging makes some sense i guess
<solrize> i will have to check how purescript deals with it
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<solrize> i mean whether it does CPS conversion in the PS compiler
<solrize> haha
<no-defun-allowed> Perhaps you should go to #c++, #python, and some other channels and ask how they claim to be multi-paradigm without tail calls.
<solrize> do they claim that? maybe they are counting OO as a paradigm ;)
<no-defun-allowed> And Common Lisp does not?
<solrize> "more paradigms than you can shake a stick at"
<solrize> i forgot about OO i'm used to thinking of it as a 1990s thing that didn't work out
<beach> I find it strange for someone to have opinions about whether a feature that that someone does know should be included or not in the language.
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<no-defun-allowed> Have you even read the Wikipedia page on Common Lisp?
<solrize> yeah some time back
<no-defun-allowed> "Common Lisp is a general-purpose, multi-paradigm programming language. It supports a combination of procedural, functional, and object-oriented programming paradigms."
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<phoe> are we now debating multi-paradigmness of Lisp and whether lack TCO is enough to call a language "imperative"
<phoe> seriously
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<no-defun-allowed> Yes, we are. I think this is a veeeery fun and productive use of my time.
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<solrize> hehe.... well i've gotten snagged by it in clisp a few times
* phoe gently opens the door to #lispcafe
<luis> I got late into a meeting because of this discussion. Gah. :D
<solrize> luis oops
<solrize> wow i didn't know about lispcafe
<beach> phoe: Apparently, yes. And we are apparently treating CLOS as similar to the feature of other object-oriented languages.
<solrize> brb
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<phoe> solrize: now you do!
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<solrize> CLOS also seemed pretty horrible though i confess i liked flavors
<beach> solrize: Please stop it.
<solrize> i wrote a half-assed implementation of flavors in emacs lisp once
<beach> solrize: Please don't have opinions about features you know nothing about.
<solrize> i read the docs and looked at code examples and that was enough for me... i'm sure you could do the same about C++ or whatever
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<solrize> ok ok
<beach> It sounds like you would be better off using a different language, since LOOP and CLOS are two of the main features of Common Lisp.
<beach> I mean, Common Lisp doesn't even require tail-call optimization. Sheesh!
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<phoe> paradoxically, pointless complaining about Lisp is off-topic on #lisp since it achieves nothing
<phoe> #lispcafe is open for that
<phoe> but #lisp is for actually getting some work done in Common Lisp, and complaining is the anti-thesis of getting work done
<solrize> CL was CL before CLOS was a thing
<phoe> unless, I guess, it's constructive in some way - but at that point it's not complaining anymore
<solrize> CLtL1 doesn't say anything about clos
<phoe> solrize: you are 100% correct and 0% relevant
<phoe> this channel is about ANSI Common Lisp, a dialect which contains CLOS as an integral part of it
<no-defun-allowed> And? CLOS is well integrated into CL (except for the condition system. We don't talk about the condition system).
<solrize> hehe
<phoe> > hehe
<solrize> is clos in cltl2?
<phoe> let me warn you once
* phoe (warn 'solrize)
<no-defun-allowed> It's okay phoe, the condition system can't bully you, the condition system isn't real.
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<solrize> i remember reading sonya keene's book about clos
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<splittist> Soooo. What's everyone's favourite idiom for: given a list of item names, return the first item of that name to be found in a key-value store?
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<Josh_2> a hash table?
<phoe> first item of what name
<Josh_2> or a alist/plist
<phoe> we have '(foo bar baz), which name do you mean
<phoe> the first name, or for each name we want to return a value
<phoe> because the latter is #'mapcar
<Josh_2> (assoc ':a '((:a "a")(:b "b"))) -> (:A "a")
<Josh_2> alists are sweet
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<splittist> I have a list "foo" "bar" "baz". These are potential keys to a hash-table (not really, but it makes no difference). I want to return the value that corresponds to the first key in the list that is found in the table, or nil (nil not being a valid value).
<phoe> so if there is no value for "foo" then you want to look for "bar"
<phoe> and if "bar" has a value then you return it and do not look "baz" up
<phoe> correct?
<splittist> phoe: Yes.
<no-defun-allowed> (loop for key in keys for present = (present-p key) when present return (retrieve-value-for key))
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<phoe> no-defun-allowed: eww
<solrize> gnite all
<splittist> no-defun-allowed: and if present-p and retrieve-value-for are the same function?
<phoe> oh, wait, it's present-p
* splittist tries to remember how "IT" works in LOOP
<phoe> you can get (values value presentp) from gethash
<no-defun-allowed> phoe: Did I forget to shower or something?
<phoe> no no, I misread
<phoe> (loop for key in keys for (value presentp) = (gethash hash-table values) when presentp return value finally (return :nope))
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<no-defun-allowed> What, you can do FOR (values ...) = form?
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<phoe> uhhh I forgot
<phoe> (loop for key in keys for (value presentp) = (multiple-value-list (gethash hash-table values)) when presentp return value finally (return :nope))
<phoe> there!
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<splittist> (loop for key in keys when (gethash key dict) return it finally (return nil)) ?
<phoe> splittist: ewwww
<phoe> (that is the eww that I originally wanted to make)
<phoe> what if the value is NIL
<phoe> like, (setf (gethash x y) nil)
<phoe> then gethash will return (values NIL T)
<jdz> splittist: You don't really need the finally part.
<phoe> ^
<splittist> "(nil not being a valid value)"
<splittist> jdz: ah!
<phoe> oh! in that case, it's fine
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<jdz> splittist: If instead of GETHASH you have your own dictionary lookup function (as you have hinted), then maybe this is more clear (assuming the point of the exercise is not to get it working with LOOP in particular): (some #'predicate keys)
<jdz> And #'predicate should have been #'lookup.
<jdz> This does not look so nice if you also want to pass the container you're looking at.
<jdz> (some (lambda (key) (lookup key container)) keys)
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<splittist> jdz: interesting. Thanks.
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<ralt> how do I do a CHECK-TYPE on a list? (check-type foo (list string)) is what I'd want
<phoe> ralt: (assert (every #'stringp list))
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<phoe> otherwise (loop for cons on list do (check-type (car cons) string))
<phoe> the latter will make the STORE-VALUE restart meaningful
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<pfdietz> There are no type combinators that iterate over lists (or other sequences). A richer type system including such things, with integration into SUBTYPEP and the compiler, would be an interesting extension to CL.
<beach> Jim Newtons dissertation contains such a type.
<beach> RTE I think it is called. For Regular Type Expression.
<beach> You can give a regular-expression-like s-expression that matches the types of elements of a list.
<phoe> beach: I think it's for a list of specified length though
<beach> What makes you think that?
<phoe> since type expansions in Lisp must terminate and `list` is `(or cons null)`
<beach> They use SATISFIES.
<phoe> oh!
<phoe> yes, that solves the problem directly
<phoe> (defun list-of-strings-p (list) (every #'stringp list)) (deftype list-of-strings () '(satisfies list-of-strings-p))
<phoe> err
<phoe> (defun list-of-strings-p (list) (every #'stringp list)) (deftype list-of-strings () '(and list (satisfies list-of-strings-p)))
<Bike> you're relying on AND types working left to right
<phoe> wait, don't they
<Bike> why would they? types are sets.
<phoe> (defun list-of-strings-p (list) (and (listp list (every #'stringp list))) (deftype list-of-strings () '(satisfies list-of-strings-p))
<phoe> plus minus some parens
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<jmercouris> why WOUDLN'T they?
<jmercouris> would there be a performance benefit of not working left to right?
<phoe> because '(and a b c) is equivalent to '(and b c a)
<jmercouris> I know they are equivalent
<jmercouris> but normally they work left to right
<phoe> no
<phoe> there's no "normally" here
<jmercouris> so called "short circuiting"
<phoe> the implementation may freely reorder these while performing
<jmercouris> well, another thing I've read that is false...
<phoe> ...performing type optimizations
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<phoe> this is not the macro AND
<Bike> yes, i'm talking specifically about types.
<phoe> this is the intersection operator from set theory
<phoe> the type specifier AND
<jmercouris> ah, OK
<Bike> as a stupid example, if you do (and (satisfies foo) nil), this can be reduced to nil, and you can avoid calling FOO at all.
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<phoe> jmercouris: while (and x y z) may refer both to the type specifier AND and the macro AND, '(and x y z) almost always refers to the type specifier due to the quote
<phoe> it's slightly hard to generalize since some macros might also make use of that for purposes of macro writing, but that's an edge case that isn't really relevant for heuristics of reading the meaning of such Lisp code snippets
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<yottabyte> hi all, asked this yesterday but I'll try to ask it again: how do I insert spaces into a uri for drakma? for example "curl --location --request GET 'https://postman-echo.com/get?foo1=hi%20hi';" reads the query parameter foo1 as "hi hi" in the response under "args" but if you run the same request through drakma, it'll read "hi%20hi"
<jmercouris> phoe: acknowledged
<phoe> yottabyte: sounds like a problem in PURI
<phoe> which is the URI library that drakma uses
<jmercouris> You can try quri instead
<jmercouris> the APIs are quite similar
<jmercouris> that would involve some work though in changing drakma...
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<jmercouris> what about trying dexador?
<yottabyte> haven't heard of it, I'll try it right now
<yottabyte> changing drakma seems out of my wheelhouse right now, pretty new haha
<jmercouris> then dexador
<yottabyte> yup going to quickload it right now
<yottabyte> that worked! thanks for the suggestion. surprised drakma doesn't handle this by default. sounds like a pretty big problem
<phoe> the drakma source code is scary
<phoe> yottabyte: file a bug at Kevin - we'll see if he's still around to fix things
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<phoe> and since the last commits are from 2 years ago then I am somewhat worried if that is the case
<phoe> it's not drakma's fault, it's a bug in puri which is drakma's dependency
<jmercouris> PURI is nice, but has some issues
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<yottabyte> do I email him?
<phoe> yottabyte: yes
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<jmercouris> what is this git.kpe.io server?
<jmercouris> I'm assuming it is Kevin's personal git repositories?
<phoe> yes, it seems so
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<phoe> FYI, LispWorks has released LispWorks 7.1.2 Personal Edition.
<phoe> ;; still no package local nicknames though, grr
<bitmapper> phoe: is there a 64bit version
<bitmapper> THERE IS
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<phoe> it seems there is, yes
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<quasi25> greetings folks! visiting after years ... perhaps even a decade !
<beach> Hello quasi25. Welcome back.
<phoe> quasi25: hello, how are things
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<splittist> quasi25: we kept the standard the same for you
<quasi25> hahaha.
<phoe> not for long™
<quasi25> lockeddown. Compiled the latest SBCL for fun.
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<quasi25> darn .. I forgot how to use IRC
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<quasi25> thanks phoe
<phoe> quasi25: hm? what do you mean?
<phoe> I referred to splittist comment
<quasi25> haha.. I was just trying to see how to tag a user .... so tried your nic. I had forgotten. It's simply use the nick
<quasi25> I feel so old
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<_quasi> woot! Joined via ERC :-)
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<phoe> not that old after all
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<_quasi> :) heh.
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<_quasi> folks, I am need of a little bit of help. My old startup (~10 years old) tripr.in was done in Common Lisp. It's still running but no much much uses it and bit rot has happened (10 years is long). Having gotten the programing itch again (since I no more code in my day job) I am looking to get it to work well again. I setup everything and boom - CLSQL-MYSQL will not compile on the mac. I was using mysql and want to migrate to
<_quasi> postgres. The CSLQL mailing list archives only go back up to 2015. Where to seek help?
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<_quasi> I got it compiled by fiddling with the Makefile. Now it wont load with "Unknown mysql client version '8.0.19"
<jackdaniel> you probably have mariadb on the system
<jackdaniel> afair it is enough to "make it accept" any version to have it working
<_quasi> Lemonodor fame has eluded me for far too long!
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<_quasi> jackdaniel I dont have mariadb on the system...
<pve> _quasi: at least for postgresql you can use postmodern, I find it quite good
<Josh_2> ^
<jackdaniel> aha
<phoe> _quasi: what is your clsql version? are you using a recent one?
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<_quasi> phoe clsql-20160208; the one which comes with the latest quicklisp
<_quasi> pve yes that's the reason I want to migrate from mysql to postgresql. Is there any other way to do it?
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<phoe> pgloader!
<phoe> (also written in lisp)
<_quasi> phoe, yes yes Dimitri .. I have his book .. I had forgotten about pgloader
<pve> _quasi: yes, dump the mysql db with the command line client, then use pgloader
<pve> or do you need to massage the data before importing?
<phoe> pve: AFAIK there's no need to dump, pgloader connects to mysql itself
<pve> well that's sounds even better
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<_quasi> pve if it migrates directly I would be quite happy. I will then explore how to use postmodern on the existing data.
<pve> _quasi: also look at s-sql from the same author I believe
<pve> i don't use it for every query, but it can be convenient
<_quasi> my friend Chaitanya has also written an ORM 'Zorm' on top of postmodern which I am looking to explore.
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<_quasi> pve s-sql.. sure.
<_quasi> thank you good folks! I will be back, like Arnie, after I have explored this pgloader. Adios!
<phoe> :D
<Josh_2> _quasi: what was your startup for? I went to the site but not much info ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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<luis> Some libraries like to mutate the *readtable*. They have the excuse that they predate named-readtables, fine. Is there a good point in ASDF to bind *readtable* to a readtable where these libraries can mutate all they want without messing with my readtable?
<phoe> I'll port that over to gitlab.
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<phoe> you could comment over there, I think
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<phoe> ;; I hope that this is the issue in question
<luis> phoe: It's strongly related. Commenting. Thanks.
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<phoe> luis: <3
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<luis> phoe: the solution is to get everyone on board with named-readtables, I guess?
<luis> that might entail making it less annoying to use
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<phoe> luis: not really
<phoe> even if I do (nr:in-readtable :qtools), this fact should not bother ASDF
<phoe> ASDF should load its systems with a fresh readtable
<phoe> if the system then switches to a named readtable, it's perfect
<phoe> if it doesn't switch to a named readtable, then it does not poison the rest of the system
<phoe> ;; and needs to be updated
<phoe> like, (nr:in-readtable :qtools) (asdf:load-system :esrap) should load esrap with a clean readtable, not the qtools one
<luis> phoe: agreed. but that would break libraries that change the readtable without named-readtables
<phoe> IMO that is the fix
<phoe> luis: no, that wouldn't break them - they were broken by the start
<phoe> they mutate the global readtable, that's a no-no
<luis> fair point. :-)
<phoe> if fixing a bug in ASDF exposes bugs in people's code, then I think it's the good direction
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<phoe> s/by the start/from the start/
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<jackdaniel> fare worked on that, I think that the merge request still lingers somewhere
<phoe> !
<phoe> jackdaniel: that one looks like it...
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<jackdaniel> that's possible
<phoe> oh well, it is still open
<jackdaniel> that said, I'm not sure if people who depend on slightly broken libraries would be amused with a breakage, I think that was the reason for not merging it
<phoe> correct
<phoe> how do we proceed from here though, since we cannot even easily identify the breaking libraries at that point
<phoe> can we?
<luis> phoe: grep for set-dispatch-macro-character :) closure-common defines a few
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<phoe> hm, we'd need to grep the whole quicklisp world for that.
<jackdaniel> it isn't that big
<phoe> pfdietz: I remember you working with something similar before, could you help us out?
<phoe> jackdaniel: correct
<luis> Babel (used to?) overwrite #\ (so sorry, that was early-20s-luis's idea!)
<phoe> luis: #\Space you mean?
* jackdaniel wonder if he should answer to each statement directed at him he agrees with with a word "correct"
<luis> #\# #\\ I mean.
<jackdaniel> wonders°
<phoe> okay, point taken
<jackdaniel> correct
<jackdaniel> ;>
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<ldb> ping
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<Josh_2> pong
<jackdaniel> ash
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<phoe> luis: holy ouch
<phoe> so that's the issue with the readtable...
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<Josh_2> Inline: couldn't you do half of that in a single loop?
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<Josh_2> you are checking (first form) in a few cases, surely you could just use (case (first form) ..) and then just put them in a hashtable or a list etc
<Inline> erm, i'm not optimizing early
<Bike> why did you post this
<Josh_2> even if you wanted to only extract one type, you don't really need all that code duplication. You could have one function that just collects lines that start with 'defmacro or 'defmethod and then define extract-macro-names extract-method-names etc with that function
<Josh_2> instead of all the code duplication
<Inline> welp, that's what i got working for now for extracting different stuff in my local mcclim dirs
<Josh_2> The first four are the same function just with a different symbol in the (eq ..) form
<Inline> i wanted to see what belongs to what explicitly i.e. clim/drei/esa
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<Inline> hmmm
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* phoe sigh
<Inline> i could join them like you say but then i have to also rename the toplevel definition to something like extract-spec (&key (g generic-function)....
<Inline> extract-spec g would then give me the gfs extract-spec f would give the funs etc
<Inline> hmmm, surely doable
<Josh_2> (defun extract-spec (sym filename)) and then (defun extract-gf-names (filename) (extract-spec 'defgeneric filename))
<Inline> jah ok
<Inline> later on maybe
<Josh_2> Same goes for the bottom functions that are all basically the same
<Inline> jep
<phoe> time to sleep
<phoe> I have no idea how to fix this, maybe tomorrow will bring us more luck
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<Inline> heh ok phoe
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<phoe> well, it is tomorrow now
<phoe> at least in my timezone
<phoe> glad to know that we've come up with kind-of-a-nice solution for that asdf issue I just linked
* phoe slep
<Josh_2> Inline: granted I did not test that at all
<Inline> ok thank you Josh_2
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<ober> phoe: you use the verboten lw?
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