<lekernel> ah, the masala material is 25GB ...
<lekernel> wpwrak, can we dump the masala video into /mnt/fidelio-schhist-output on turandot?
<lekernel> this is the only filesystem that has enough space
<lekernel> wolfspraul, do you have an option to receive 25GB of files? or should I just install a FTP server on turandot?
<wpwrak> are we running out of space ? lemme delete something ...
<wolfspraul> lekernel: sure just dump it there
<lekernel> the largest filesystem on turandot is 48G big
<lekernel> there's only this NFS mount from fidelio that can reasonably hold it
<lekernel> wolfspraul, or we can install the FTP server on fidelio, but I don't have access there
<wpwrak> freed 470 MB on turandot. (the unedited labsw video)
<wolfspraul> just drop it there
<lekernel> wpwrak, it's 25GB!
<wpwrak> almost 2% ;-)
<wolfspraul> I think theregister didn't carry our launch yet
<wolfspraul> I will be waiting for a little, to see what's happening
<wolfspraul> we do need to catch engadget too
<lekernel> what "throw-away" FTP server do you recommend with minimum setup hassle?
<wpwrak> launch ? what launch ? i didn't see a word even on qi-hw
<wpwrak> lekernel: why ftp and not ssh ?
<wolfspraul> sure you didn't :-) (but I think I cc'ed you on some mails)
<lekernel> I'm not sure if the Masala people can use ssh
<wolfspraul> launch is a surprise, right :-)
<wpwrak> aah, right. three new mails. checking ...
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: do you remember what setting changes you did on turandot when we had slashdot traffic?
<wolfspraul> wpwrak: those are just loooong mails with editors...
<wolfspraul> you can skim it. who knows what he will write in the end.
<lekernel> now, murphy law helping, we will overload the server because of the launch and the video upload will fail ():-]
<wolfspraul> it's interesting to see what kind of questions editors are asking, because we will hear more of that
<wpwrak> wl
<wpwrak> oops
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: what i did back in may: MaxClients lowered from 150 to 40
<wpwrak> yeah, that was all i think
<wolfspraul> ok
<wpwrak> took something like 2 hours to kill all the runaway processes before i could tweak the config :)
<lekernel> installing pureftpd ...
<lekernel> mkdir /mnt/fidelio-schhist-output/masala
<lekernel> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/fidelio-schhist-output/masala': Read-only file system
<lekernel> wolfspraul, I need a rw export from fidelio
<wpwrak> the relevant section in IRC starts about here. later on, i also mention all the stuff that was running. http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2011-05-07.log.html#t22:59
<lekernel> aargh and it seems the server only receives at ~80ko/s
<lekernel> this is going to take 4 days
<wpwrak> so you don't have to worry much about coinciding with the launch :)
<lekernel> will try dl.free.fr instead
<lekernel> no we have to get that video out asap
<lekernel> it's only annoying that the server is slow
<wpwrak> by the way, why don't we have a level meter when configuring audio ? just lack of time or are there deeper reasons ?
<lekernel> lack of time
<wpwrak> let's hope for some gui developers then :)
<wpwrak> nice .. my little canon still image camera can also feed composite to the M1. still a bit blurry, but a much better image than with the barrel cam.
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: "basically just power-on and it starts rendering."  i'm still kinda puzzled why this actually isn't the case :)
<wpwrak> the whole out of the box process is so nicely streamlined and intuitive, but you still need to figure out that you have to press that middle button.
<wolfspraul> yes, agreed
<wolfspraul> at least it says "on" now
<wpwrak> ;-))
<wpwrak> the whole case labeling is tricky. at least on the purple case. maybe it's easier to read on the blue one.
<wolfspraul> lekernel: how is the upload going?
<wolfspraul> and where are you uploading now?
<wpwrak> 2 .. 1 .. 0 ... we have liftoff !
<wpwrak> "Backer Qi is the company ..."  duh. that's cryptic.
<wpwrak> the "80 units to be viable" angle doesn't sound quite right either :)
<wolfspraul> he seems totally into those numbers
<wpwrak> yeah ;-)
<wolfspraul> why not. editors deal with news all the time, if that part is interesting to him then that may not be bad.
<wpwrak> and doesn't mention MIDI, DMX, etc.
<wolfspraul> yeah well
<wolfspraul> we need to post it to other sites now
<wpwrak> yup. fire the missiles ! :-)
<wpwrak> ah, and i wonder if the low power consumption really needs that much focus, considering that it's not a battery-powered device. maybe if you link it to not needing a noisy and unreliable fan.
<wolfspraul> ha ha
<wolfspraul> well
<wolfspraul> I read it now
<wolfspraul> he writes it on the light side
<wpwrak> yup. more story than tech.
<wolfspraul> no problem
<wolfspraul> this is a good start for Milkymist, even if not many others pickup the story
<wolfspraul> it doesn't "eat up" the entire launch thing
<wpwrak> yeah. you can build on this. it gets the word out.
<wolfspraul> and amazingly few technical mistakes
<wolfspraul> the back and forth paid off
<wpwrak> hehe :)
<wolfspraul> alright then, let's see
<Thihi> wpwrak, low-power consumption is media sexy for tech, regardless it's real usefulness.
<wolfspraul> oh it's very hard for reporters to write something without mistakes
<Thihi> wpwrak, believe me, that's what I do for a living. Review tech.
<wolfspraul> I know how hard it is for me to get the short snippets in our community news accurate
<wpwrak> Thihi: yeah, there's that. people know from their mobile devices that low power is good and they also know from big devices that low power is good. they probably don't realize that in this case, it hardly matters.
<wolfspraul> I need to think about this article
<wolfspraul> this will not be picked up by many others I think
<Thihi> And they think "the eco beaver won't be mad at me for using this low power machine".
<wpwrak> wolfspraul: oh, and congratulations on the promotion ! ;-) "leading developer Wolfgang Spraul"
<wpwrak> Thihi: there's that, too :-)
<Thihi> Btw. Will you have review kits available at some point?
<Thihi> I might be interested in writing an article about mm1 into the biggest finnish tech mag later on.
<Thihi> Some 300,000 subscribers, not that much in the grand scheme I guess, but in a country of 5 million it's a pretty good coverage of tech interested people
<wolfspraul> what is "vid system-on-a-chip" vid = video?
<wolfspraul> rejon: bill's article is up http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/09/28/milkymist/
<wolfspraul> that's a very interesting take he has there, all focused on the production numbers :-)
<wolfspraul> I need to think about it. the good side is that it's written in such a way that we can definitely have followup stories.
<rejon> great!
<rejon> sending out to people
<rejon> do you think bad to reference this in emails to people?
<rejon> i guess its already out there
<wolfspraul> not bad
<wolfspraul> the way it is written makes me wonder whether others will pick it up
<wolfspraul> in other words - I don't think many will
<wolfspraul> but that's ok, that means we can do different stories with other sites later :-)
<wolfspraul> I will try engadget etc.
<roh> hrhrhr.. i like the 'radical tech coalition'
<wolfspraul> yeah
<wolfspraul> that includes you :-)
<roh> i think i want a shirt with that
<wolfspraul> anyway this article is different from what I thought
<wolfspraul> although I thought that it would be different from what I think. at least that :-)
<wpwrak> it sends a bit of a mixed message. either people conclude that "break even" doesn't include any work. or they assume it does and thus conclude that it has an enormous profit margin.
<wpwrak> (and almost zero development cost at that)
<wpwrak> of course, he could have just done the math: capital investment, according to your mail, USD 100k. maximum revenue through sales of 80 units: 80 x USD 500 = USD 40k. that means you must be paid in USD that are about 2.5 times as valuable than the ones you invested. if you can that pull off, i think some economists will want to talk to you rather urgently ;-)
<wpwrak> s/that pull/pull that/
<wolfspraul> nah don't read too much into this
<wolfspraul> people are skimming
<wpwrak> yeah. and those who read it will probably realize that something was lost in translation.
<lekernel> "the NanoNote which was really a $99 toy to fill the evenings of the technically-literate underemployed."
<lekernel> wolfspraul, the upload is messy :(
<wolfspraul> today is Amazon tablet day
<wolfspraul> lekernel: how about the 25gb upload?
<wolfspraul> where are you uploading to?
<lekernel> dl.free.fr
<wolfspraul> why not just dump it on fidelio?
<lekernel> I'm not uploading, Sylwia (Masala manager) does it
<lekernel> because fidelio downstream seems to be slow
<lekernel> about 80k/s it seems
<roh> what is that data?
<lekernel> at this rate it's going to take 4 days at least
<wolfspraul> hmm, shouldn't be
<wolfspraul> ok, let's be patient then. I'd like to capture this in the highest quality possible.
<lekernel> next time we need media I'll be waiting with a netbook and a memory card reader just at the exit of the stage :-)
<wpwrak> roh: about 6 DVDs ... The Sopranos, all episodes, in 1080p ? :)
<lekernel> roh, the Masala concert in high quality HD
<wolfspraul> rejon: here's my approach now
<wolfspraul> the theregister article is quite exotic I think. I like it because it's such a different perspective, but in this way I cannot see how it goes viral.
<wolfspraul> so...
<wolfspraul> I will push out my meager press release to the RSS feed and annoucne list, and that's it
<wolfspraul> then I will start emailing other journalists about follow-on stories, theregister gives me some credibility in this
<lekernel> wolfspraul, shall I link your PR on milkymist.org? or theregister article? or my PR?
<wolfspraul> your PR
<wolfspraul> push the text you believe in
<wolfspraul> don't worry I will get back to your text too
<rejon> yep
<rejon> i'll push out now on the qihardware public accounts
<wolfspraul> please understand how media work, we cannot force people into our view
<wolfspraul> so I'm fine with bill's article, even though it's 99% different from what I thought it would be :-)
<wolfspraul> he did post a story as promised, it has few factual mistakes, and theregister is a top-20 tech news site
<wolfspraul> it's a wild mix though of Qi, Milkymist, NanoNote, this and that number, 500 USD, etc. etc.
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wolfspraul> more like a little economics class
<wolfspraul> who is making a profit now?
<wolfspraul> nobody?
<wolfspraul> everybody?
<wolfspraul> :-)
<wpwrak> the economics are easily explained: you invested 100k. you expect to make 40k from sales. ten people participated in the development. ergo each of them must have paid you on average at least 6k for the privilege ;-)
<wolfspraul> yeah but it's funny how these things come out, no?
<wolfspraul> he is just fascinated with those numbers
<wolfspraul> when you read the email exchange between us, it's 80% about product, comparison to notebook, Milkymist the GPL licensed IC design, etc.
<wolfspraul> I throw in those numbers because early in the NanoNote days, I found out people's perception really changes when they hear "no parent company"
<wolfspraul> it's so unexpected nowadays
<wolfspraul> most people are drones of some large corp
<wolfspraul> so whatever story they are telling today, it's like a mercenary thing
<wolfspraul> if it doesn't work, no problem, you hear another funny story tomorrow
<wolfspraul> when they suddenly run into people where the stories are their lifes, they are a little shocked :-)
<wolfspraul> interesting
<wpwrak> as if mercenaries wouldn't occasionally pay with their lives ;-)
<lekernel> yeah, and I find the "no parent company" perception is sometimes negative
<lekernel> like it means the project isn't serious or something like that
<wpwrak> yes, lack of validation by people with deep pockets
<wolfspra1l> I agree it's negative
<wolfspra1l> but find a parent company that wouldn't immediately think of patenting, locking down, locking out, etc. :-)
<kristianpaul> wow, interesting news today
<wolfspra1l> which one?
<wolfspra1l> Amazon tablet?
<kristianpaul> also :)
<wolfspra1l> Thihi: yes why not [review unit]. but let's start by mail, please email me at wolfgang@sharism.cc
<Thihi> wolfspra1l, cool, I'll get to it a bit later, I'm buried in installing operating systems on some laptops for the moment.
<kristianpaul> OKay !, mail sent to some local VJs
<kristianpaul> Next target museums :)
<wolfspra1l> Thihi: keep your expectations low though. getting a review unit from me is tough.
<Thihi> wolfspra1l, no prob, we'll see.
<wolfspra1l> I love journalists, reporters, and I work hard to support them. BUT, I'm around for a number of years.
<wolfspra1l> and for every high quality journalist, there are at least 50 trying to do all sorts of strange things.
<wolfspra1l> so we need to find out whether the publication you are writing for and your own interests and the Milkymist thing all fit together
<wolfspra1l> if they do, any support comes your way!
<wolfspra1l> but you should see the flood of mails I get from the most horrible content farming outfits, who think they can sneak off some free 'review units' as well
<wolfspra1l> bah. horrible. makes me kinda suspicious for these kinds of requests :-)
<wolfspra1l> the journalists that have covered NanoNote so far have all bought them, btw
<wolfspra1l> for a 99 USD product that is actually to be expected, it's just too cheap to be in this review/return business
<wolfspra1l> for a 499 USD product I can see how a proper review unit handling could make sense
<wolfspra1l> so shoot me a quick mail and we get started
<Thihi> I will, later on today.
<wolfspra1l> thanks!
<kristianpaul> man 2kg!!
<kristianpaul> :)
<kristianpaul> wolfspra1l: lekernel had a introductiry text for museums?
<kristianpaul> i dont bother to translate it, just i feel short in words
<lekernel> no
<kristianpaul> k
<kristianpaul> i mean, what i could said, buy it, plug it a video beam and just let the magic run ;) ?
<kristianpaul> s/magic/video magic
<kristianpaul> bah, it runs android i was expectings soemthing fresh
<Thihi> wolfspra1l, sorry, you asked for a quick mail, I wrote you a bible.
<wpwrak> lekernel: whee. nasty comment from "Richard 12". he claims that you did DMX the wrong way.
<wpwrak> (in the comments to the "the reg" article)
<lekernel> haha
<lekernel> no one complies with this standard, and 3-pin XLRs are the de-facto DMX connector in the majority of equipment (except the high-end professional one)
<lekernel> plus there are passive adapters easily available
<lekernel> if this is the only thing that goes wrong with the M1, I'm quite happy =]
<wpwrak> maybe you could compare it to micro-usb. it's officially frowned upon, yet pretty much everything but phones still uses it :)
<wpwrak> (the only thing) oh, i wouldn't worry. murphy won't give in that easily ;-)