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GitHub94 >
[board-m1/master] fixed Uncoonected wires which caused by continuous global lable arrangement of FLASH_D[15..0]. - Adam Wang
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GitHub58 >
[board-m1/master] added R183 & changed FLASH_STS_N to FLASH_STS - Adam Wang
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GitHub28 >
[board-m1/master] changed U18's pin16 local lable VGA_B7 to VGA_B0 - Adam Wang
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11:24
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kyak >
ok, you can laugh at me, but i was sure that mm's component plugs are actually outs
11:25
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kyak >
so i bought 3 RCA plug-plug and connected it to my TV and was wondering why it doesn't work :)
11:26
<
kyak >
my usb bluetooth keyboard is not working.. i was sure that it pretends to be a generic keyboard
11:28
<
kyak >
while trying to "Update from web", it says "failed to download bitstream"
11:29
<
kyak >
lines look pretty ugly when mm is connected to my TV via VGA
11:29
<
kyak >
in any resolution
11:30
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kyak >
it's like they are shadowed
11:31
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kyak >
"Update from files".. How do i put files there?
11:35
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kyak >
what is "remote access"?
11:35
<
kyak >
btw, even if i set 1024x768 for the "Desktop", it still goes to 640x480 in visualization mode
11:36
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Fallenou >
hehe I confirm that components are inputs and not outputs
11:37
<
kyak >
that's also not so bad :) now i can connect my home media player to mm rather than connecting mm to TV :)
11:37
<
Fallenou >
first section
11:37
<
Fallenou >
Update from web and update from files
11:39
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Fallenou >
kyak: about your usb bluetooth keyboard, please don't hesitate to send the usb descriptor to the mailing list (sudo lsusb -vvv -d deviceid:vendorid in Linux)
11:39
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Fallenou >
my usb bluetooth mouse does not work either :)
11:39
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kyak >
oh thanks a lot
11:40
<
Fallenou >
kyak: remote access is FTP access, you can set it up in the setting menu (settings or something similar, don't have my M1 with me right now)
11:40
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Fallenou >
you just open the menu, set up a login and password, and then connect to your M1 via FTP
11:41
<
Fallenou >
make sure to boot with ethernet wire plugged in, so that DHCP can do it's magic :)
11:41
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Fallenou >
just out of curiosity, what is your SoC and software version right now in the about menu ?
11:42
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kyak >
ok, need to find a wired keyboard to enter those login/pass for FTP
11:42
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kyak >
or is there soem default?
11:43
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kyak >
my version now are soc 1.1/fn 1.1/ patch tool 62
11:46
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Fallenou >
so you can update to 1.2
11:46
<
Fallenou >
which has MIDI usb afaik :)
11:46
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kyak >
it shows those versions as available for upgrade
11:46
<
kyak >
but can't download the images
11:47
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Fallenou >
I think I had troubles with web update too
11:47
<
Fallenou >
I had to update from files
11:47
<
Fallenou >
just like you
11:47
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Fallenou >
I'm afraid there is no default password for ftp :x
11:47
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Fallenou >
I had no keyboard, but xiangfu sent me his config file with ftp activated with login 'a' and password 'a'
11:47
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kyak >
probably i will go jtag way.. it's all set up, and finding a wired keyboard is not possible right now
11:48
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kyak >
how did you use xiangfu's config?
11:50
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Fallenou >
I must have copied it over NFS mount
11:51
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kyak >
hm.. didn't see such an option
11:51
<
Fallenou >
you can mount a NFS shared folder on the M1
11:51
<
Fallenou >
using the RTEMS shell
11:51
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kyak >
how do i access RTMES shell?
11:51
<
Fallenou >
using your jtag cable to get a serial console
11:53
* Fallenou
is trying to find xiangfu email
11:57
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Fallenou >
with this config file, password and login are 'a'
12:01
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kyak >
when using reflash_mm1.sh i have errors like "Unknown cable type: milkymist" and following...
12:01
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kyak >
Error: Cable not configured. Please use 'cable' command first!
12:01
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Fallenou >
try with sudo
12:01
<
Fallenou >
don't forget to write down your mac address
12:01
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Fallenou >
not to lose it
12:01
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Fallenou >
if you don't have a sticker
12:02
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Fallenou >
reflashing could erase your mac address
12:02
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kyak >
can't i just use a DEADBEAF mac address?
12:03
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kyak >
(sudo) already added myself as an owner of 20b7:0713 usb device via udev..
12:03
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kyak >
same errors when i'm root
12:04
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Fallenou >
well you could use your own mac address
12:04
<
Fallenou >
but it would be a shame :)
12:04
<
Fallenou >
Milkymist has it's own mac address range
12:04
<
Fallenou >
your M1 has been shipped to you with a unique mac address
12:04
<
Fallenou >
try not to lose it :)
12:05
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kyak >
i agree, it's pretty cool.. though i have a range of broken network cards i can steal unique macs from :)
12:05
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Fallenou >
how did you install the jtag software ?
12:05
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kyak >
i'm running arch linux, i just installed urjtag from aur
12:05
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Fallenou >
Agreed, but it won't show up as "Milkymist" in wireshark ;)
*nerd*
12:06
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Fallenou >
I guess you should use custom urjtag
12:06
<
Fallenou >
it didn't work for me either with Debian urjtag
12:06
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Fallenou >
"compile urjtag"
12:07
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kyak >
(mac) do i need to remember just the last octet?
12:07
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Fallenou >
the 2 last bytes I think
12:08
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kyak >
ok, it's 00:57 (just in case i forget i find it in logs)
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kyak >
i've stolen the configure args from the wiki and updated the PKGBUILD.. let's see how it works
12:10
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Fallenou >
I had to disactivate a few options in the configure to make it compile fine
12:11
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Fallenou >
but I guess you will find out soon :)
12:11
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kyak >
error messages start with "Unknown cable type: milkymist"
12:11
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kyak >
this is pretty strange
12:11
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kyak >
do i need to provide a "config" for "milkimist cable"?
12:12
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kyak >
or how does urjtag know about milkymist ?
12:13
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Fallenou >
as far as I remember, I just followed the wiki page and it went fine
12:13
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Fallenou >
are you sure you are using the new urjtag you just compiled ?
12:14
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Fallenou >
try ldconfig and sudo ldconfig
12:16
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kyak >
ok, i need urjtag-git to start with.. i'm using 0.10, it doesn't support mm i think
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Fallenou >
oh sure, you really need to compile the version pointed by the wiki page
12:19
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Fallenou >
I thought you modified the arch build process to fetch the correct version :)
12:26
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kyak >
Fallenou: while it compiles.. Do i need to power on mm during flash?
12:26
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kyak >
seems kinda awkward that mm draws something on TV while being flashed.. is it ok?
12:27
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kyak >
or do i need to boot it in a special mode?
12:27
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Fallenou >
never plugged the vga to something while reflashing, sorry dunno
12:27
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Fallenou >
just plug power, plug usb, do the flash
12:27
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kyak >
so i'll unplug vga then :)
12:27
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Fallenou >
nothing special to do
12:27
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kyak >
how long does it take to flash?
12:28
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Fallenou >
I only flashed the entire M1 once, but it was quick IIRC
12:28
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Fallenou >
usually I only flash the bios :)
12:29
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wolfspraul >
kyak: nice to see you start playing with it! :-)
12:29
<
wolfspraul >
these things take time until you know the "essential workarounds" :-)
12:29
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kyak >
ok, it reflashes now :)
12:29
<
wolfspraul >
where I guess everybody has a slightly different set of them...
12:29
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wolfspraul >
please keep your feedback coming, as a first-timer it's invaluable!
12:30
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kyak >
ah now, not really..
12:30
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kyak >
ok, be back soon.. :)
12:31
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Fallenou >
Error: Unable to detect JTAG chain end! < hum ! strange !
12:31
<
wolfspraul >
I was unsuccessful flashing on Fedora, but on Debian it worked
12:32
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wolfspraul >
so on my Fedora system I now have a Debian kvm machine just for m1 flashing :-)
12:33
* Fallenou
is using Debian too, in virtualbox
12:35
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Fallenou >
kyak: maybe try another usb cable
12:35
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Fallenou >
shorter one ?
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wolfspraul >
it reminds me of my fedora problems, which after a frustrating hour or so I just bypassed with the Debian VM
12:47
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Fallenou >
too bad, since F14 has all the tools for M1 dev IIRC
12:47
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wolfspraul >
he could also try reducing the frequency from 6000000 to 3000000 (half) or less
12:48
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wolfspraul >
that has helped some people before, but just another long shot
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kyak >
hm, none of these helped
13:20
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kyak >
reducing the frequency or changing the cable
13:22
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Fallenou >
going to vote, bbl
13:23
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kyak >
vote smart :)
13:33
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kyak >
wtf.. "detect" works in jtag even if i type it fast enough after "cable milkymist"
13:34
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kyak >
in fact, i have to paste these two lines
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kyak >
and it still shows "Error: Unable to detect JTAG chain end!"
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kyak >
Fallenou: what are the serial port settings to get to console?
13:52
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Fallenou >
clone the milkymist repository
13:52
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Fallenou >
and use tools/flterm --port /dev/ttyUSB0
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Fallenou >
make -C tools/ flterm
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kyak >
[FLTERM] Starting...
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Fallenou >
close flterm
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<
Fallenou >
sudo rmmod ftdi_sio
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Fallenou >
sudo rmmod usbserial
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<
Fallenou >
unplug usb cable
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Fallenou >
plug it again
13:55
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Fallenou >
wait a few seconds, then run flterm --port /dev/YourTtyUSB
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<
Fallenou >
and power cycle the M1
13:57
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Fallenou >
you should see something in the console when the M1 boots
13:57
<
Fallenou >
the bios for instance
13:57
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Fallenou >
and then, the RTEMS shell
13:57
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kyak >
so i had ot have flterm running while rebooting mm
13:57
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kyak >
i have the console now, thanks!
13:58
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Fallenou >
you're welcome :)
13:58
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Fallenou >
I have a little script that does the 2 rmmod, when my console does not work anymore, I run the script and unplug/plug again the cable
13:59
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kyak >
tricky, but it works :)
13:59
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wolfspraul >
kyak: what is your host system?
14:00
<
wolfspraul >
as I said I had a similar problem on Fedora (and I think kristianpaul as well)
14:00
<
kyak >
my host is arch linux
14:00
<
wolfspraul >
something in libusb maybe, but I just went to debian and it was gone
14:00
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wpwrak >
(jtag) the problems seems to be fjmem.bin. perhaps you simply don't have it around ?
14:00
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wolfspraul >
ok [arch linux]
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Fallenou >
in theory xiangfu script tests if the fjmem.bin is present, and downloads it if it's not
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Fallenou >
kyak: ls -alr ~/.qi/
14:01
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kyak >
i replaced those ${HOME}/.qi with ${HOME}/build/mm for my convenience :)
14:02
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wpwrak >
ah, using xiangfu's script. yes, that should take care of it
14:02
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Fallenou >
hello wpwrak :)
14:02
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kyak >
fjmem.bit is there
14:02
<
xiangfu >
it should be download fjmem.bin
14:02
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Fallenou >
everyone's up to help you kyak !
14:02
<
kyak >
there is no fjmem.bin
14:03
<
kyak >
btw, reflash_m1.sh complained to 404 during dowbload
14:03
<
kyak >
when i used --release
14:03
<
xiangfu >
s/fjmem.bin/fjmem.bit
14:03
<
kyak >
but worked fine with --qi
14:03
<
kyak >
(see my question about the difference between two mirrors)
14:03
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xiangfu >
kyak, I guess you are using a old reflash_m1.sh?
14:04
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kyak >
xiangfu: just the one linked from wiki
14:04
<
xiangfu >
version: 2012-03-05
14:05
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kyak >
2012-03-05 it is
14:06
<
wpwrak >
the device ID is interesting: 0x24008093. that's stepping 2. my m1rc3 has stepping 3. so we have a mix of steppings. not sure if there's much of a difference between them, though
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wpwrak >
Fallenou: heya :)
14:07
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xiangfu >
kyak, oh. yes. --release. will report some 404 error. it should be ignore by reflash_m1.sh.
14:08
<
kyak >
still the same prob
14:08
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wpwrak >
find /home/bas/.qi -name fjmem.bin\*
14:09
<
wpwrak >
same with ~/build/mm then ?
14:09
<
xiangfu >
"Error: Unable to detect JTAG chain end!" <---
14:09
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kyak >
there is /home/bas/.qi/milkymist/fjmem/fjmem.bit
14:09
<
wpwrak >
ah. yes. sorry. my typo :)
14:10
<
xiangfu >
what is your urjtag version?
14:10
<
kyak >
UrJTAG 0.10 #2026
14:10
<
xiangfu >
"jtag --version"
14:10
<
wpwrak >
maybe try the first steps manually then. (urjtag version looks good)
14:10
<
wpwrak >
urjtag<enter>
14:10
<
Fallenou >
I have #2017
14:11
<
wpwrak >
cable milkymist
14:11
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kyak >
wpwrak: manually works strange
14:11
<
wpwrak >
then see if there's already an error after "detect"
14:11
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kyak >
as said, "detect" works only if i paste it together with "cable milkymist"
14:11
<
kyak >
otherwise it returns nothing
14:11
<
wpwrak >
hmm. that's suspicious
14:13
<
kyak >
wpwrak: second time i pasted it
14:13
<
wpwrak >
very suspicious indeed. so things already go wrong very early
14:14
<
wpwrak >
probably not .. that's just to add a new stepping
14:14
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kyak >
perhaps i'll revert to #2017 which works for Fallenou?
14:15
<
Fallenou >
I only have one stepping in my file btw
14:15
<
Fallenou >
but yes #2017 works with my M1r3 under Debian
14:17
<
Fallenou >
dunno if it can help you
14:18
* xiangfu
is testing #2026 now
14:18
<
xiangfu >
I also using #2017 for long time.
14:19
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kyak >
sorry guys, be back in couple of hours. Thanks for your help!
14:22
<
xiangfu >
just tested #2026 here. works fine under my ubuntu system.
14:27
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wpwrak >
i have 2026 as well. works fine. there can be USB physical layer issues. i've seen that on some occasions. my setup is a bit convoluted, with 1-2 hubs in the path. usually picking a cable connected to a different port solves such issues. in any case, the original cable ought to be fine.
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wpwrak >
ah, and my libusb (ubuntu onerous) calls itself /lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libusb-1.0.so.0.0.0
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xiangfu >
kyak, and the qi image build with 'hid' branch with support part of Mouse+keyboard device. and qi image have all images you needs
14:59
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xiangfu >
(Mouse+keyboard) I mean Mouse+keyboard combo device.
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kyak >
heh, xiangfu's sysconfig.bin has ip 192.168.0.42 :) luckily, it's in my ip range
15:50
<
kyak >
unfortunately, a/a for ftp doesn't work -\
15:51
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Fallenou >
you can select dhcp, cannot you ?
15:51
<
Fallenou >
with mouse
15:51
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kyak >
ah yeah, that i can do
15:53
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kyak >
login/pass is x/x :)
15:55
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Fallenou >
it was a/a for me :)
15:55
<
Fallenou >
anyway, good that it works for you
16:00
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kyak >
ok, updated the thing..
16:00
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kyak >
"patch pool" is still as of version 62 though
16:00
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kyak >
what can i do?
16:01
<
kyak >
ok, updating patches worked from GUI
16:01
<
kyak >
i guess i'm good then :) thanks again!
16:01
<
kyak >
it works, apart from jtag programming
16:01
<
kyak >
but at least flterm seems to work fine
16:02
<
kyak >
and the image is muhc-much better when i hook it up to a monitor
16:02
<
kyak >
guess the TV is not very good with VGA
16:02
<
kyak >
it likes HDMI and DVI :)
16:04
<
kyak >
Fallenou: btw, copying those image via nfs didn't work for me either
16:04
<
kristianpaul >
works, flashing also by jtag?
16:04
<
kyak >
though i copied config find
16:05
<
kyak >
no, no flashing via jtag
16:05
<
kristianpaul >
that Unable to detect JTAG chain end!
16:05
<
kristianpaul >
reads very suspicious about something physical..
16:05
<
kristianpaul >
or missing file in urjtag...
16:06
<
kyak >
tried another cable.. and btw, flashing Ben with the same setup just fine
16:06
<
kyak >
and you know Ben is also sensible to these types of things
16:06
<
kristianpaul >
M1 is the top ;)
16:07
<
kyak >
so it's like Ben in square? :)
16:08
<
kristianpaul >
you may geg surprises but is first time i see that jtag chain end message to be honest
16:08
<
kristianpaul >
but dont heasite to try shorter usb cables or for example
16:09
<
kyak >
btw, is there a way to control mm remotely?
16:09
<
kristianpaul >
via jtag :)
16:10
<
kyak >
i have serial console
16:10
<
kyak >
how can i do it?
16:10
<
kristianpaul >
depends on whtat you want to control,
16:10
<
Fallenou >
there is IR (infra red) remote control
16:10
<
kristianpaul >
sorry you mean by milkymist, flickernoise?
16:10
<
kyak >
the visualazation :)
16:10
<
Fallenou >
you can send messages via opensound control (OSC)
16:10
<
kristianpaul >
i was thinking in other layers..
16:10
<
kristianpaul >
ahh!
16:10
<
kristianpaul >
indeed, OSC
16:10
<
kyak >
like start/stop/change
16:10
<
Fallenou >
you can use hardware buttons (3 buttons) on the PCB
16:11
<
kyak >
ah, buttons, great
16:11
<
Fallenou >
you can bind keyboard buttons
16:11
<
Fallenou >
or midi buttons
16:11
<
kyak >
so for example the workflow could be as follows - edit patch, upload via FTP, choose it via buttons[5~
16:12
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kyak >
what is "midi buttons"?
16:12
<
Fallenou >
if you hook up a midi controler
16:12
<
Fallenou >
midi or midi-usb
16:13
<
kyak >
ah cool.. it's like another world for me
16:13
<
kyak >
never seen these things :)
16:14
<
kyak >
Fallenou: what's going to happen after i send the id of my usb/bt keyboard?
16:14
<
Fallenou >
you have also dmx but I don't know if you can send orders like "next patch" or things like this in dmx
16:14
<
kyak >
to the ML i mean
16:14
<
kyak >
and if i have a bt mouse, should i do the same?
16:14
<
Fallenou >
well first it will let Milkymist contributors know that your keyboard is not supported/working at the moment
16:14
<
Fallenou >
and they could be able to either tell you why it does not work, and better, if it could be supported any time soon
16:15
<
kyak >
ok.. sounds great
16:15
<
Fallenou >
and it could help them improve the M1 adding support for it (with your help)
16:15
<
Fallenou >
it greatly depends on what's actually the real issue that prevents your keyboard from working with the M1
16:15
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kyak >
does it mean that RTEMS doesn't support this device or it just wasn't compiled in?
16:15
<
Fallenou >
but it's always a good thing to know :)
16:16
<
kyak >
ok, i got you
16:16
<
Fallenou >
Milkymist is using its own USB host controler, and usb software stack, which is not perfect yet
16:16
<
Fallenou >
so not all USB compliant devices are working out of the box right now
16:16
<
Fallenou >
but it's improving :)
16:17
<
Fallenou >
wpwrak mwalle and others are working on improving USB system in M1
16:26
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kyak >
Fallenou: a small question about terminology.. what's the difference between a patch and performance?
16:27
<
Fallenou >
a patch is a text file describing how inputs are processed to produce outputs
16:27
<
Fallenou >
performance, is the name of the mode in which the patch is "executed" and the outputs are driven like described in the patch
16:27
<
Fallenou >
"performance mode"
16:27
<
Fallenou >
like "show mode"
16:28
<
Fallenou >
or "party mode"
16:28
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kyak >
k, that's clear
16:28
<
kyak >
why do i press "New" performace and nothing happens?
16:29
<
kyak >
ah. probably it clears the currently chosen patches
16:29
<
Fallenou >
hum not sure about this button, as I said I don't have my M1 with me
16:29
<
Fallenou >
and I mostly do development on it
16:29
<
Fallenou >
I played a little bit with performance mode, but not much
16:30
<
Fallenou >
try Load or Start
16:33
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kyak >
ah, that's a good link.. thanks !
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wpwrak >
kyak: there's no BT support. our plan is to migrate to linux at some point in time, and then to enjoy all the drivers we get there.
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wpwrak >
kyak: FN currently only understands a bit of HID and some of USB-MIDI
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kyak >
wpwrak: got it
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kyak >
what is the recommended version of oscsend?
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kyak >
i see several overthere
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kyak >
long press Middle_button shutdown Milkymist one after power on.
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kyak >
hm.. it indeed switches off.. and then switches back on
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kyak >
good news: Flickernoise doesn't support UTF-8 :)
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kyak >
in OSD, at least
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Fallenou >
sometimes wiki is not up to date, but it gives a good insight usually
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kyak >
oscsend /patch doesn't seem to work..
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kyak >
ok, i'm out..
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dvdk >
trying to upgrade firmware of my M1
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dvdk >
from the M1's GUI (via web). Reports "cannot download bistream"
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dvdk >
any ideas what I'm missing?
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dvdk >
it
*does* detect that the 1.2 version is available online.
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kristianpaul >
hi, sorry no idea, perhaps missing file
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dvdk >
some problem at the qi-hw webserver from where the stuff is downloaded!?
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dvdk >
do i need a micro-sd card for the download or does it have enough nand flash internally?
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kristianpaul >
or u should try flash by script and jtag..
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kristianpaul >
no need micro-sd stuff
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dvdk >
where's info on fw upgrade? can't seem to find in qi-hw.com nor milkymist wiki
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kristianpaul >
Automated JTAG method (for developers)
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dvdk >
ah, searched for "upgrade" should have searched for "flashing". hmm.
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kristianpaul >
yeah bit cofusing tough..
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dvdk >
thx kristianpaul, added to my M1 bookmarks
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kristianpaul >
reflash :)
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dvdk >
hmm just running reflash_m1.sh spits out help, though i can't see what else it needs?
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dvdk >
kristianpaul: doesn't help
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dvdk >
it's --qi. the wiki is wrong.
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kristianpaul >
--qi
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dvdk >
kristianpaul: seems to work (prints erasing block...)
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kristianpaul >
good
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kristianpaul >
you may want to reflash --data partition
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kristianpaul >
we need a way to create a milkymist datasheet.. not a wiki or a booki or at least just plain text..
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kristianpaul >
kyak: still missing a core for the conbus (including both maste and slave)
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dislikes wiki without hihglight for programing languages
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kristianpaul >
in the other side qi wiki had it :)
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dvdk >
something's broken after upgrade
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dvdk >
don't seem to have any filesystem data. also doesn't safe/restore when rebooting
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dvdk >
says "no patches" on bootup.
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kristianpaul >
hmm perhaps need reflash data partition as well
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dvdk >
reflashing again.
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dvdk >
ah, logging in: ls /ssd/patchpool: permission denied
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dvdk >
how do i reformat the ssd?
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kristianpaul >
may give you an idea
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dvdk >
kristianpaul: unmount, erase /dev/flash5, then web-update to get patches. thx for info
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dvdk >
new firmware doesn't allow patch to be exited via mouse click?
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dvdk >
don't have a keyboard connected. this is annoying.
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wolfspra1l >
dvdk: oh, I see
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wolfspra1l >
the idea is to stay in flickernoise whenever possible, avoid accidental dropping into FN
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wolfspra1l >
kristianpaul: welcome back from your trip! :-)
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dvdk >
ntsc input is lousy btw
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kristianpaul >
wolfspra1l: thanks
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wolfspra1l >
dvdk: thanks for trying! You are probably one of the first to ever try...