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<whitequark> OCaml's stdlib and compiler are home for some astonishingly bad code
<whitequark> e.g. the whole Bytesections modle
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<ygrek> the code can be good or on time
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<whitequark> Drup: so I got annoyed bad enough
<whitequark> now I'm writing ppx_deriving
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<eridu> what's the best lexer/parser to use for something that has to be able to handle unicode?
<whitequark> sedlex
<whitequark> if requiring ocaml >=4.02 isn't an option for you, then ulex
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<whitequark> a parser doesn't care about string encodings. nevertheless, menhir is a really good one
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<eridu> whitequark: so menhir will interface well with all of those parsers?
<eridu> whitequark: also isn't sedlex the successor to ulex?
<whitequark> sedlex is
<whitequark> ulex is basically abandoned
<whitequark> menhir doesn't care at all as long as you have a stream of token
<whitequark> tokens
<eridu> oh sorry, garbled your second sentence
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<eridu> whitequark: is there a way to integrate sedlex into OcamlMakefile?
<whitequark> you just need to pass a -package sedlex option, like you would with any other findlib package
<whitequark> and findlib >=1.5
<eridu> thanks!
<eridu> whitequark: any good sedlex tutorials? or any documentation for the sedlex DSL?
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<whitequark> README
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<rwmjones> gasche: did you see this obvious code gen problem on ARM 32 bit? http://caml.inria.fr/mantis/view.php?id=6484
* rwmjones means there's obviously a problem, but the fix isn't obvious ..
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<avsm> rwmjones: interesting; i've been doing a lot of opam builds on armv7hf (cubie2) with no issues
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<rwmjones> avsm: you're definitely using recent git version of ocaml, and ocamlopt.opt (not ocamlopt)?
<avsm> rwmjones: ah no, 4.01. yes to ocamlopt.opt
<avsm> rwmjones: need to run the matrix on 4.02; there have been enough bugs to triage just on x86_64 alone there; https://github.com/ocaml/opam-bulk-logs
* avsm hears his cubieboard's cry out in terror at the thought of building 2000 packages in the summer heat
<rwmjones> 4.01 works fine
<rwmjones> I'm doing a git bisect, but it's slow going
* rwmjones wishes the arm64 hardware ran 32 bit binaries
<flux> is there a parallelizing git bisect?-)
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<rwmjones> ocamlbuild--
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<rwmjones> has anyone found the magic environment variables needed for a completely local ocaml install?
<rwmjones> w/o root, obviously
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<kerneis> rwmjones: well, opam does it, you could steal their scripts
<rwmjones> I think I have a method now:
<rwmjones> ./configure -prefix /tmp/local
<rwmjones> make world.opt -j1
<rwmjones> make install
<rwmjones> and then set PATH to include /tmp/local/bin
<kerneis> should work as long as you're not mounting /tmp as tmpfs on an embedded device ;-)
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<adrien> rwmjones: btw, gasche has made patches to handle DESTDIR in the compiler
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<adrien> are there 2D data structures libraries available?
<adrien> quadtree for example
<bitbckt> I doubt he's maintaining it anymore, but: https://github.com/mariusaeriksen/ocaml-rtree
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<adrien> looks like it'll fit my needs at least for now
<adrien> thanks
<bitbckt> np
<adrien> one day I had started vam-split r+ trees
<adrien> never had time to go very far ='(
<bitbckt> a tale as old as time
<adrien> was fun at least and one day I'll get back to it
<adrien> part of the fun was that the litterature was quite lacking in this regard
<adrien> (vam-split is a way to decide where you put the limit to split your data when you need to; in this case you base it on the variance you'd get from each cluster of point [ you want to minimized it and it works OK because you can compute variances in an iterative way ])
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<flux> too bad the rtree implementation doesn't have a license..
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<adrien> hah
<bitbckt> I'm sure he'd add one, if prompted.
<flux> also I found ocaml-quadtree which is LGPL (no linking exception)
<adrien> so far I only need the interface
<adrien> for some prototyping
<adrien> oh
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<adrien> https://github.com/besport/ocaml-quadtree , from besport, hmm
<def`> ?
<adrien> besport is a french company which uses ocsigen and uses maps :)
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<adrien> hahaha
<Drup> (and hhugo is on this channel on a regular basis)
<adrien> https://github.com/besport/OSM-binary <- openstreetmap reading, which is something I would be after too :P
<Drup> adrien maybe you will be interested by that : https://github.com/vouillon/osm
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<adrien> damn
<adrien> I need to migrate to ATS
<adrien> or I'll end up reiventing everything ='(
<adrien> it was better when there were no libraries and applications: anything you'd do was new and great! ='(
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<adrien> "This software only works on 64-bit machines." :D
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<adrien> nooooooo
<adrien> he event put hilbert curves in his r-tree!
<rwmjones> mantis--
<rwmjones> that's the second time today it's deleted a comment I've written
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<adrien> and web browsers
<adrien> and the fact that this mantis installation is oooold
<Anarchos> adrien what is a hilbert curve ?
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<adrien> Anarchos: look it up on wikipedia :P
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<Anarchos> adrien :/
<adrien> it's a fractal which is also "space-filling"
<adrien> which means it goes through every point in space
<adrien> and you get a 2D to 1D mapping
<adrien> it's interesting because computers suck at handling 2D data
<adrien> but 1D...
<adrien> and WP has nice pics
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<adrien> flux: I guess vouillon's osm has an lgpl + le r-tree
<adrien> haven't been able to locate it from the sources yet though
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<Algebr> is Tuareg mode supposed to give code completion?
<rwmjones> not that I know of
<Algebr> if not, how can I get code completion?
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<rwmjones> so apparently there's tuareg-complete (C-c TAB)
<Algebr> bitbckt: neato, checking that out now.
<adrien> merlin is pretty much the standard nowadays
<adrien> wondering if it's getting part of the ocaml platform
<bitbckt> might as well be, imo
<Algebr> yes, looks nice. hopefully install is painless.
<Algebr> I can't get it via opam?
<bitbckt> opam install merlin should work
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<Algebr> opam is so much nicer than cabal.
<Algebr> also, why is tuareg mode named such?
<rwmjones> they are tribe from (algeria?) who ride camels
<adrien> not really algerie
<adrien> algeria
<adrien> their borders don't match current countries
<Algebr> ah, yes, wiki says a berber people.
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<rwmjones> this doesn't look good ...
<rwmjones> #2 0x00000000005dd24c in caml_alloc_shr (
<rwmjones> wosize=wosize@entry=12926428316172288, tag=<optimized out>) at memory.c:414
<rwmjones> someone must be using arm/arm64 ...?
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<orbitz> Is there any issue with having two module types that define a type, t, and I want to ensure that if given to my functor both t's are the same type
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<def`> orbitz: just add a with constraint
<ggole> module type T = sig type t end module Same (A : T) (B : T with type t = A.t) : sig end = struct end
<ggole> Something like that, I think
<ggole> (Where T would be your module(s).)
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<orbitz> I think I'm geting a bit functor crazy
<orbitz> that works, thanks ggole
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<adrien> :D
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<Algebr> Merlin seems to complain about Jane Street's Core.Std. Is this a common thing?
<orbitz> the problem is, my algoirthm legitimatly depends on a bunch of things
<Algebr> says unbound module, but utop is perfectly happy with it.
<orbitz> I was thinking I could require 1 moduel type with everthing, and if someone wants to build that from functors that would work too
<orbitz> and perhaps simplify things...
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<ggole> Algebr: you might need PKG Core in .merlin, or something like that
<Algebr> ggole: Oh, didn't realize merlin had its own . file as well
<ggole> It basically says which directories to look in for .cmt and source files
<Algebr> Do I have to define one for each directory? Is there no ~/.merlin?
<ggole> One for each project, roughly
<def`> Algebr: merlin will use the closest .merlin in path
<def`> so if you put a ~/.merlin, it will be used if there is no ~/myproject/.merlin
<Algebr> so I can just do: PKG core, and that will use all of Core?
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<def`> yes
<Algebr> yay, it worked. Thanks!
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<baz__> Hi, is there any way to move to the end of a let in tuareg mode on emacs?
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<baz__> or some other plugin that provides that kind of functionality?
<ggole> There's tuareg-next-phrase, but that only works on top-level forms
<baz__> I'm look at a function with some inner functions eating up my vertical space so it is hard to find the "body" of the function
<def`> baz__: what would you like exactly ? moving to the previous or next item in a structure ?
<baz__> in this case the next let following the in of the current let
<ggole> Hmm, the usual sexp-movement functions might be useful in the latest version of tuareg
<ggole> backward-up-list followed by forward-sexp, maybe
<ggole> Never mind, forward-sexp skips over too much.
<baz__> not enough in my case :P
<baz__> tuareg-next-phrase jumps to inner let open ..., crossing outer let boundaries
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