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<ysz>
hey
<ysz>
any known success with rabbitmq + ocaml?
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<Leonidas>
have you tried netamqp?
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<dmbaturin>
Is there a good observable example of something that runs as a daemon and uses persistent data structures?
<struk|desk>
ysz, Leonidas: I tried it. I couldn't get it going. Always generated runtime exceptions. zeromq on the other hand, I almost enjoyed using
<Leonidas>
that probably reflects the state of AMQP vs ZMQ as a whole…
<cojy>
dmbaturin: that's a pretty vague criteria... i imagine almost all of them since lists are a persistent data structure in ocaml
<mrvn>
cojy: I think he means across restarts
<dmbaturin>
cojy: Specifically, I want to see how persistent trees can be implemented. The primary problem is that everything I wrote in ML so far just read some data, churned out some output, and terminated.
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<dmbaturin>
So I'm not quite sure how to go about writing something that runs for indefinite time and responds to events while keeping some data and updating it.
<cojy>
i imagine the easiest way is with sexplib and using that to serialize/deserialize
<mrvn>
dmbaturin: if you don't care about potential incompatibility with different versions of ocaml you can just marshal your data and write it to disk.
<mrvn>
sexplib is a bit more work and probably more future proof
<dmbaturin>
mrvn: I may be confused about the terminology. I don't meant serialization in this case, I mean functional-style updates of the state.
<cojy>
dmbaturin: Map module in ocaml gives you persistent maps
<cojy>
based on balanced binary trees
<dmbaturin>
I store data in a multi-way tree.
<mrvn>
so a database?
<dmbaturin>
Mapping a multi-way tree to a database?
<cojy>
i still have no idea what you mean by persistent if it's neither serialization or functional data structures
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<mrvn>
I have a functor MAKE(struct type 'a key type 'a value end) = struct type ('a, 'b) conv = { key : 'c . 'c key -> 'a; value : 'c . 'c value -> 'b} end. How do I put conv into the signature and make it so users can access the key and value lables?
<dmbaturin>
Seems I really have a terminology problem. Why can't a multi-way tree can't be a functional datastructure, and what is the strict definition of a functional datastructure?
<cojy>
dmbaturin: is your multi-way tree currently not functional?
<mrvn>
dmbaturin: in a functional data structure and change gives you a new structure while you also get to keep the old one.
<mrvn>
s/and/any/
<mrvn>
let tree = ... let tree_with_a = add tree a let tree_with_b = add tree b will work
<struk|desk>
mrvn you can make conv a private record type in the signature
<mrvn>
struk|desk: then you can't create any
<struk|desk>
mrvn: you provide a create function in the sig, so labels are exposed now but not constructor..isn't that what u wanted?
<dmbaturin>
That's pretty much what I want. I don't have to keep all versions of it, I guess, unless they are used by anything they will be GCed?
<cojy>
dmbaturin: yea
<mrvn>
struk|desk: that isn't universal. you can't pass a "'c. 'c key -> 'a" closure.
<cojy>
dmbaturin: if you want to use one to store state, you can either stick it in a ref cell and swap that out with updated versions, or pass it around and update it monadically
<struk|desk>
mrvn: got me then!
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<dmbaturin>
cojy: Thanks. Going to look into it, and look into Lwt too.
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<Drup>
vanila: not afaik, you'll need a Xen server.
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<dmbaturin>
There are some providers that use Xen, non of them is free however.
<dmbaturin>
Linode uses Xen PV, and it's possible to use pygrub to boot a custom kernel there.
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<struk|desk>
is archimedes the best ocaml 2d plotter out there? or should I consider something different/newer ?
<vanila>
someone should set up a free xen thing for all the little mirage tests!
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<struktured>
^^ = someone
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<nicoo>
Why does OCaml record in Makefile.config whether X was present at configuration/compilation-time, now that labltk isn't shipped with it anymore?
<nicoo>
(I have the issue where the OCaml package is being built on a system without X.org, shipped to several machines, and someone then tries to install labltk there)
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<vbmithr>
struk|desk: struktured: use gnuplot.
<vbmithr>
I was wondering what to use to plot things using OCaml recently as well
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<vbmithr>
I figured out that gnuplot was still the simplest / simply available thing to use.
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<struktured>
vbmithr: archimedes isn't that bad actually. I want to plot interactively with utop and stuff too
<adrien>
they're quite differently
<adrien>
different*
<adrien>
gnuplot has more builtins
<adrien>
but archimedes is more flexible
<adrien>
and uses far less memory
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<struktured>
adrien: gnuplot has ocaml bindings already too?
<adrien>
I think I've seen some
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<dmbaturin>
Gnuplot is cool, but lack of actual programmatic API makes bindings slightly funny.
<dmbaturin>
adrien: What is archimedes? Got a link to the project page?
<struktured>
dmbaturin: that's my fear. I got archimedes to plot without even looking at the documentation. that says something
<struktured>
dmbaturin: although I still haven't gotten legends or titles working yet :|
<adrien>
I need to look again at the lablgtk output
<dmbaturin>
I only write gnuplot by hand, if I need to produce plots programmatically I take something with actual API, whatever is available for the language in use. :)
<def`>
struktured: I also enjoyed using it, altough there were some rough edges
<def`>
I think th e main author would ahappy to receive maintenance help or improvements
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<struk|work>
Drup: Possible values: {line, histogram, point, missing-data}
<Drup>
struk|work: that's a sum type in disguise
<struk|work>
Drup: yeah kinda figured that's how you'd do it in ocaml
<Drup>
No, I mean, it's the *string* "line" or the string "histogram" or ...
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<Drup>
(when it's a datatype, it's in italic)
<Drup>
so it's not dynamic typing
<struk|work>
oh ok got it
<Drup>
only poor man's sum type
<struk|work>
I thought it was of LINE of Line.t | HISTO of Histo.t | etc...
<Drup>
fortunatly, no :)
<Drup>
(that would be a case of "easy" dynamic typing, though, somethings are much more annoying ...)
<vbmithr>
anybody had problems with UNIX_SOCKETs and Lwt ?
<nicoo>
Drup: Stringly typing <3
<Drup>
Bah, you can do worse
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<Drup>
"do something different if the string parses as a number"
<Drup>
that starts being evil.
<pippijn>
vbmithr: I've used them without problems (but don't ask me, it's over a year ago)
<pippijn>
vbmithr: still, you may want to describe the issues you're having, and someone here might know the answer or have ideas on where to start looking for one
<vbmithr>
Basically, flushing.
<vbmithr>
I use TCP_NO_DELAY on my TCP sockets
<vbmithr>
So the messages are sent directly
<vbmithr>
On unix sockets, there is no such options and I thought the behaviour would be equivalent to NO_DELAY
<vbmithr>
But no, and even manually flushing does not improve things
<vbmithr>
I'm using Lwt_io channels
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<vbmithr>
wrong alert, unrelated to unix sockets apparently :)
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<struk|work>
smondet: also its unclear which topics I should cover. containers and errors, I guess?
<smondet>
it can be coffee shopped, or we can delay it for when we get organized
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<struk|work>
smondet: hmm what do you prefer?
<Drup>
smondet: good luck to the one reviewing SPOC :D
<smondet>
Drup: :)
<Drup>
you have the choice
<Drup>
the logic, which is complicated and need good understanding of GPUs
<Drup>
the drivers, which are CUDA/OPENCL messes.
<Drup>
or the camlp4 syntax extension :D
<Drup>
pick your sin :3
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<ggole>
mrvn: more context? (Hopefully a minimal compilable example?)
<smondet>
struk|work: i'm replaying to Ashish's email (race condition between to communication channels)
<smondet>
(s/to/two/
<smondet>
)
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<smondet>
Drup: the opinionated talk I did about joo+webGL worked pretty well, you don't need to have any kind of sympathy for the chronos-group to talk about their mess :)
<Drup>
smondet: oh, it wasn't a criticize
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<Drup>
drivers are always a mess, and SPOC is pretty awesome
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<smondet>
yes like js_of_ocaml :)
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<Drup>
indeed :p
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<struk|work>
Drup: I expected SPOC to be a PITA but worth the effort if you need that hardware
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<Drup>
I meant from the *review* point of view, not the usage ;)
<Reventlov>
Yosh. If you use ocp-indent, what options do you use ? I'm not really happy with the default indentation mode, so, i'm searching for sets of options that could help.
<mrvn>
ggole: reload
<Drup>
usage is quite smooth
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<ggole>
mrvn: got it, thanks
<smondet>
Reventlov: I use `strict_with=always,with=0,strict_comments=false`
<ggole>
Never seen this error message before. :)
<mrvn>
ggole: It maks no sense to me that this works for all types but the conv.
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<ggole>
Yeah... well, time to add bits and pieces until it compiles.
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<mrvn>
ggole: I've tried and tried.
<ggole>
and type ('a, 'b) conv := ('a, 'b) T.conv for the second last line type checks
<ggole>
...but why?
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<mrvn>
ggole: That would be an identity mapping
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<Drup>
I think I understand.
<Drup>
yes.
<Drup>
So
<Drup>
replace the définition of lexeme_conv by "type ('a, 'b) lexeme_conv = ('a, 'b) T.conv ={ key : 'c . 'c T.key -> 'a; value : 'c . 'c T.value -> 'b; }"
<Drup>
the reason is that lexeme_conv is currently an alias, and not a definition
<Drup>
those are treated separately by the typechecker, in quite different ways.
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<Drup>
ppx_import.
<Drup>
(or stop renaming types :p)
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<ggole>
I hope whatever you are doing is worth it...
<mrvn>
Drup: me too
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<mrvn>
Drup: It's a type safe SLR(k) parser generator
<mrvn>
and typesafe lexer
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<mrvn>
I only need one more function. let rule_apply (rule : rule) (items : stack_item list) = Obj.magic 0
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<mrvn>
All this boxing and unboxing with GADTs is hard.
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<mrvn>
hmm, haven't had that is some time. The parser compiles but doesn't work after I added type safety.
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<mrvn>
if you are fancy the idle thread will power down stuff, reduce the frequency, go into deeper sleep states and so on
<mrvn>
ups
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