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<jyc> hm... perhaps it only seemed to work with the native code because i provided the linker flags
<jyc> I realzied there's no way for it to know which .so I want to load from
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<jyc> looks like the RTLD_GLOBAL flag was also necessary, which I imagine is because ctypes will use some sort of stub to do the actual bindings
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<apache2> how do I supply a ('a, unit, string, unit Lwt.t) Pervasives.format4 type to Lwt_log_core?
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<companion_cube> apache2: this is a regular format string
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<companion_cube> arg, there is not Format.pp_print_sub_string
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<reynir> I wish there was a Merlin for java
<reynir> (I wish I was writing OCaml)
<def`_> :DDD
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<MercurialAlchemi> reynir: Merlin is too limited for working with Java
<MercurialAlchemi> it would need automatic importants and project-wide renaming to start being useful
<MercurialAlchemi> s/importants/imports/
<MercurialAlchemi> not that I would mind the rename part for OCaml too
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<reynir> Yea, that would be nice to have, too
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<reynir> Intellij got support for inspecting the return type of a call only recently (~few weeks ago). That surprised me.
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<freehck> hello people
<freehck> I don't understand why strings in module String are described as immutable.
<freehck> I can do: let str = "abc" in str.[0] <- Char.uppercase str.[0]; str;;
<freehck> And get: - : string = "Abc"
<freehck> So it seems string are mutable.
<freehck> What do I get wrong?
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<Drup> there is a new option, -safe-string, that makes them immutable
<Drup> (and Bytes is the mutable version)
<Drup> it's not enable by default yet, but will be
<def`_> They used to be mutable, they might become immutable
<def`_> and you can get warnings when mutating them
<freehck> I understood. Thanks a lot.
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<freehck> hm... `opam install conf-pkg-config' fails with an error: "pkg-config": command not found.
<freehck> Isn't pkg-config a part of conf-pkg-config package?
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<Drup> No, conf-pkg-config, as all the other conf-* packages just assert that you have the thing available on your system
<freehck> but `opam search' has shown the only conf-pkg-config: there's no pkg-config package.
<freehck> Where should I look for pkg-config?
<freehck> hm... apt-get install pkg-config?
<Drup> yes
<freehck> Drup: thank you, it helped.
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<blik71> hey is anyone on here, I had a question about List.mem
<def`_> just ask
<MercurialAlchemi> what about it?
<blik71> so im trying to use it in an if statement but i keep getting the error the expression has type 'a list -> bool but what was expected was bool. How can I use it in the if statement? I'm about to put code paste up now
<jmasseo> are you providing enough arguments?
<jmasseo> does it need to be enclosed in parens?
<blik71> (if List.mem(s0 list) then list else s0::list)
<jmasseo> ah
<jmasseo> (List.mem s0 list)
<jmasseo> instead of List.mem(so list)
<blik71> really, whats the difference, i thought parenthesis was more for precidence
<jmasseo> parens are not for enclosing arguments.
<jmasseo> you're calling s0 with the argument of list, as the argument to List.mem
<jmasseo> Week 1 of the OCaml MOOC begins today woot woot
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<blik71> ahh okay thank you, so use to OOP lol
<jmasseo> yeah ocaml is a lot different than anything i've done before
<jmasseo> i like it
<blik71> yes its really efficient for the amount u have to write
<dmbaturin> jmasseo: Well, no parens around arguments is pretty common in ML-style languages (SML, Haskell, ...).
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<fds> The OCamlPro video from the MOOC is great
<dmbaturin> github.com/ocaml/ocaml is no longer a read-only mirror of SVN, it's the primary repository now!
<fds> Exactly the incomprehensible French accents I was hopng for :-D
<fds> (No offence intended. I wish I could speak French as well as they speak English.)
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<theblatte> do you need to register to see the videos?
<Drup> I think so, yes
<reynir> blik71: »List.mem s0 list« is the same as »(List.mem s0) list« or »(List.mem(s0))(list)« if you prefer
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<dmbaturin> theblatte: Yes, but registration is still open.
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<jmasseo> dmbaturin: i've not done Haskell or SML or F#. Lisp and Scala are as close as I've come.
<jmasseo> i'll do this weeks mooc stuff tomorrow. taking it with the wife and we're both super busy today
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<Drup> *cough* yeah I did
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<kakadu_> :)
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<dmbaturin> jmasseo: If you like ocaml, it's pretty likely that you will at least read them at some point. SML and Haskell are both common in articles.
<kakadu_> btw, let's say the project uses m4 to generate some code. https://github.com/Ostapers/generic-transformers/blob/master/src/macro.m4 Can I handle that with ocamlbuild?
<kakadu_> I asked about SO question before because it can be the same question
<Drup> yeah
<Drup> No it's not the same question
<rgrinberg> kakadu_: Drup solved it for me but in a crappy way though
<rgrinberg> by specifying the dependencies in the tags file
<kakadu_> any code example to test?
<Drup> rgrinberg: well, do you have a cmdline tool that list the import in a file ?
<Drup> if so, you can do the same than .ml.depends
<rgrinberg> Drup: i don't and i could create one relatively easily. But i would much rather just not do that and list all the files there
<blik71> real quick since won't let u do a = 0 ... a = 1 whats a quick way of redefining a variable within scope?
<rgrinberg> e.g. the makefile solution wouldn't require all this work, why should ocamlbuild
<blik71> *since ocaml won't
<Drup> rgrinberg: but it could, since you have to consider the order
<flux> blik71, this works ok: let a = 0 in let a = 1 in ..
<blik71> ah okay cool thanks
<Drup> rgrinberg: the order *is* relevant, it seems
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<Drup> (at least, in my experiment, it was)
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<dmbaturin> blik71: I was about to say that "let u do a = 0" is not correct syntax. ;)
<Drup> so you can't just say "compile all this stuff" and handwave at the directory
<Drup> (or rather, you can, if you have an ocamldeps-like too)
<rgrinberg> Drup: for the piqi -> ocaml compilation yeah. but for proto -> piqi, that would be trivial in a makefile
<companion_cube> o/
<Drup> rgrinberg: "yay, I can handle half the work trivially"
<Drup> that .. is remarquably useless :)
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<rgrinberg> Drup: looks like piqi doesn't support this yet - https://github.com/alavrik/piqi/blob/master/TODO#L34
<rgrinberg> ok we can split the blame half and half between piqi and ocamlbuild
<Drup> x)
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<theblatte> dmbaturin: thx, registered :)
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<kakadu_> what do you think, will example for with m4 macro be good inside https://github.com/gasche/manual-ocamlbuild/blob/master/manual.md ?
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<Drup> rgrinberg: the day the piqidep tool got implemented, see https://github.com/gasche/manual-ocamlbuild/blob/master/manual.md#dynamic-dependencies-
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<anniz> current ocaml does not build on solaris/sparc.. errors when linking libasm_shared.so; solution: link with ld -G instead of gcc (as an added detail, if linking with solaris studio cc it works but produces binaries that segfault...)
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<adrien> anniz: could you put that on the bug tracker?
<anniz> k will do when i'm back at work where my sparc lives
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<adrien> anniz: great, thanks :)
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<adrien> (topic change was completely unrelated)
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<dmbaturin> anniz: Out of curiosity, which solaris and which sparc?
<anniz> 10, sun4u (sb 2500)
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<nullcatxxx_> not even sure what he's doing...
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<Drup> gadt + objects + Higher
<Drup> impressive
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<anniz> (it _might_ be my somewhat old gcc version acting up but ld -G is the proper way to do it on solaris anyways...)
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<nullcatxxx_> i don't know what he wants to do, i'd better wait other people answering his question
<nullcatxxx_> class ['a] ko (x:'a) = object
<nullcatxxx_> method m : type b. ('a, b) container -> b = fun (List l) -> x::l
<nullcatxxx_> end
<nullcatxxx_> this ... what does he want to with this?..
<ggole> class ['a] ko (x:'a) = object method m : ('a, 'a list) container -> 'a list = fun (List l) -> x::l end
<ggole> I think
<ggole> Hell if I know what the purpose is though
<Drup> see my answer
<Drup> nullcatxxx_: https://bpaste.net/show/a137120993ce version that doesn't look as useless as the original
<nullcatxxx_> i see
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<nullcatxxx_> "Making an intermediate, properly abstracted, function usually helps." nice
<Drup> raviolis are better than spaghetti, even in programming.
<nullcatxxx_> tried before, don't like it...
<reynir> I had mediocre ravioli for lunch
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<sheijk_> in doubt just go for lasagna (with lots and lots of layers)
<sheijk_> +if
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<blik71> how do u add a char to a string in ocaml?
<zozozo> blik71: : let f s c = s ^ (String.make 1 c)
<adrien> but depending on how often you want your program to do it, a Buffer might be better
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<wiml> Is there any documentation on what tags can go in ocamlbuild's _tags file, and what they do?
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<wiml> (the "sales brochure" at http://nicolaspouillard.fr/ocamlbuild doesn't really say.)
<Drup> that's the best we have at the moment, unfortunatly
<wiml> woohoo! much better than what I'd found. thanks
<Drup> (it's already quite good for simple usages)
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