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<palomer> hmmm
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<boegel> toolslive
<boegel> oops, sorry ;)
<ely-se> bagel
<boegel> is there any way to make opam use a different build directory (only build, the others can stay under $OPAMROOT)?
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<flux> ooh, activity in the multicore repo after a month of silence.. :)
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<boegel> are there any known issues with compiling OCaml with recent GCC versions?
<boegel> sgnb: I'm *not* seeing the issue with the all-zeroes binaries when using an older version of GCC...
<boegel> that is, I'm not seeing the problem with GCC 4.7.2
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<sgnb> boegel: so did you manage to install ocamlfind manually and look at intermediate files?
<boegel> sgnb: well, I found to way to get the damn thing installed without running into the broken ocamlfind binary
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<boegel> sgnb: I was using GCC 4.9.3 + a sef-linstalled binutils 2.25 when I ran into trouble
<boegel> sgnb: if I switch to GCC 4.9.2 (and use the OS binutils), it seems to be working just fine
<boegel> I can try to get back to the broken ocamlfind situation later, but now I just need to damned thing installed :)
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<boegel> so, maybe there's something fishy with our self-built binutils, I doubt it's the slightly newer GCC 4.9.3 causing problems
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<mmmmmmm> I am looking for freelance job in Ocaml.
<ely-se> how does one look for a freelance job?
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<mmmmmmm> mailing list?
<ely-se> hmm
<mmmmmmm> I need research work
<mmmmmmm> sites are mess
<boegel> what's the correct procedure to install an OCamlPackage in a different prefix, outside of where OCaml (+ installed packages) lives?
<boegel> any good documentation on that?
<boegel> seems like my approach isn't exactly the way to go, I'm seeing a whole bunch of things being copied over from the location where OCaml is installed... :-/
<Drup> using opam ?
<boegel> Drup: yes
<Drup> what's your goal exactly ?
<boegel> Drup: we typically installed packages that have 3rd party dependencies (e.g. GSL) in a separate prefix
<boegel> Drup: so, I have OCaml installed, with a bunch of packages, but would like to be able to install extra OCaml packages somewhere else, and have things work together nicely
<Drup> but the whole opam is already in a special prefix.
<boegel> e.g., in Python, you just point to a different prefix and update $PYTHONPATH
<boegel> Drup: which is in the same prefix as the OCaml installation...
<Drup> well, yes, but you control that
<Drup> (the ocaml instalation)
<boegel> if that's a setup that opam doesn't support well, I'll need to use a different way of doing things
<boegel> Drup: sure, yes, but I basically want to glue different locations where OCaml packages are installed
<Drup> that sounds like an efficient way to create a huge mess
<boegel> Drup: it seemed like $OCAMLPATH is what I'd need, but I'm not sure, and it doesn't behave like I expect it to
<Drup> in theory, I think you can do something using ocamlfind
<boegel> Drup: well, I'm not sure if opam was meant for a setup like that
<Drup> no it wasn't
<Drup> you can have multiple opam path that works independently
<Drup> but half the package in one place and another half in another place is not really supported (and I fail to see why it's a good idea, really ^^)
<Drup> in theory you can do it with ocamlfind, I think
<boegel> I'd like something that works in practice ^_^
<Drup> you will have to look at ocamlfind's documentation
<boegel> Drup: so, there are different ways of installing OCaml packages, right? opam is just one way? any good comparison between tools?
<Drup> no, there are not multiple ways
<boegel> Drup: ah... then, wait... isn't ocamlfind an alternative to opam? or does opam simply leverage ocamlfind, and can I tell ocamlfind where to find stuff?
<Drup> the later
<boegel> ok
<boegel> so, I should stick to opam, and a single place to install OCaml packages to, gotcha
<Soni> can I do UUIDs with OCaml?
<flux> soni, yes, there is the package uuidm
<Drup> Soni: you mean, a library for that ?
<Soni> can I do uuid4 with it?
<companion_cube> yes
<ely-se> lol UUID libraries that do not support UUID4 generation
<ely-se> it's the most trivial of all
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<Soni> does it use a CSPRNG?
<Soni> ely-se, it's not trivial when you consider CSPRNG
<boegel> can I give opam a .tar.gz to install from? or does it always check the opam repo online?
<Drup> boegel: you can add your own packages (even your own repository)
<Drup> it's documented
<boegel> ok, I'll figure it out
<boegel> I need https://github.com/mmottl/gsl-ocaml/archive/v0.6.3.tar.gz installed, which is not in the opam repo, apparently
<companion_cube> Soni: I don't think so
<Soni> what
<Soni> uhh
<Soni> I think I'll make uuid4s myself then
<Drup> boegel: "opam pin add gsl https://github.com/mmottl/gsl-ocaml.git" might work
<Drup> (if it doesn't, contribute the description :D)
<companion_cube> Soni: or you can try to parametrize uuidm over the random generator
<companion_cube> so as to provide your favorite one
<boegel> Drup: actually, it seems like going with a separate OPAM repo makes sense for this one, see http://matsen.github.io/pplacer/compiling.html#opam
<Drup> "Pplacer places query sequences on a fixed reference phylogenetic tree to maximize phylogenetic likelihood or posterior probability according to a reference alignment. " I understand how people feel when I talk type-system gibberish now
<Drup> boegel: apparently gsl is already in this repo, so yes :)
<Drup> (wondering why all that is not in the main opam repo, though)
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<boegel> Drup: 0.6.3 is a very old version, and pplacer requires the old version, it was never ported to the 1.x versiol of the gsl OCaml pkg, apparently
<Drup> I see
<Drup> (still no reason not to use the main opam, it keeps old versions)
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<boegel> Drup: well, maybe it was never uploaded to OPAM, the old version
<Drup> you can add them :p
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<boegel> I'm not planning to start maintaining OCaml pkgs :)
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<ely-se> What can records do that objects can't?
<Drup> ely-se: being fast
<ely-se> is that the only thing?
<Drup> yes
<ely-se> ok :)
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<ggole> And there's nice sugar like pattern matching on fields
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<Dynasty> Is there a way to specify to use a signature (constructed using sig) for an ml file
<Drup> Dynasty: I'm not sure to understand the question, that's what .mli are for
<Dynasty> Yes, but the signature is in another file
<Dynasty> since it will be shared by multiple modules
<Drup> Yes.
<Dynasty> So I don't want to duplicate the signature in every mli file
<Drup> you can use "include" in .mli
<Dynasty> is it include or open?
<Drup> include
<Drup> So you have defined Foo.Signature
<Drup> you can then do, in any .mli "include Foo.Signature"
<Drup> (Foo.Signature is a module type)
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<orbifx> any libraries for natural language processing?
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<papy_> Hi! Installing omake with opam does not add the omake executable to ~/.opam/system/bin. Is this normal? If yes, should I just add a symlink to ~/.opam/<version>/bin/omake somewhere in my PATH?
<orbifx> papy_: I dare say it isn't normal.. but know that I'm new to ocaml.
<orbifx> You can certainly add it to your path to get going, but if other bins are symlinked in .opam/system/bin that should too
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<Drup> papy_: it isn't, yell at the maintaner
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<smondet> papy_: do you have the eval `opam conig env` and all right? I have omake in the right place, and the package has not changed in a while
<papy_> Another issue, doing "ocamlfind ocamldep -package rpc" after "opam install rpc" fails: "ocamlfind: Package `rpc' not found". Is there something I should do to keep ocamlfind aware of opam packages?
<papy_> smondet: I have an old opam install, so maybe the .bashrc lines are out of date?
<smondet> maybe (?)
<smondet> which version of opam
<smondet> ?
<papy_> smondet: Is it OK to delete the relevant lines and just do opam init?
<papy_> smondet: Sorry, I have current (1.2.2) but have not changed the .bashrc since I installed opam for the first time.
<smondet> eval `opam config env` should be enough
<Drup> your bashrc shouldn't need to change
<smondet> the end of `opam init` is actually `opam config setup`
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<papy_> smondet: hmm, running `opam config env` gives "CAML_LD_LIBRARY_PATH="/home/<user>/.opam/4.02.1/lib/stublibs";: No such file or directory"
<smondet> papy_: no the "eval" is part of the command
<papy_> smondet: wow, sorry :p
<smondet> it means to tell bash to evaluate the output of "opam config env"
<smondet> and BTW, `omake` should then be in ./opam/4.02.1/bin, since you're on 4.02.1 :)
<papy_> smondet: yes :) ok, so I must have garbled my .bashrc, because after configuring the env, ocamlfind is happy, but in a new terminal it fails
<papy_> smondet: thanks a lot
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<pacmann> Hi, I will need to learn OCaml in my functional programming class. I'm not a beginner with programming languages, but functional programming is not what I'm used to. Since I will learn some things in my class, I think a reference book will be fine to understand this language. What books do you recommend me?
<companion_cube> you can try real world ocaml
<companion_cube> http://ocaml.org/ is full of resources for beginners, too
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<pacmann> Thanks
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<ely-se> I wish I had a camel.
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<nullcatxxx_> i cannoot build type_conv using latest trunk
<nullcatxxx_> type_conv is used in Travis CI of ocaml compiler...
<nullcatxxx_> and both my tiny PRs failed ...
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<Algebr> I think the new OS X update broke the standard ocaml tools in terms of what places they look for libs and headers for C code.
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<papy_> Hi! I've been trying to adapt ocaml-netamqp to the latest version of ocamlnet. I get the following "No implementation provided" errors when I try to compile a program (compilation of the library works), not sure how to investigate: http://pastebin.com/Y0WVUAFX
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<papy_> Ok, looking further, if I use anything from Netsys, compiling in native gives me a "No implementation provided", while in byte I get: "Cannot find file netstring.cma netaccel.cma netaccel_link.cmo
<papy_> "
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