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<Algebr> I guess this channel and other ocaml stuff will be pretty quiet this week
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<dsheets> i think there will be some software releases/announcements
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<Algebr> dsheets: oh really, something big? Surprise early multicore?
<Algebr> Wondering about clarification, are the threads from Threads creating real OS preemptive Threads but only one Userland ocaml thread can interact with those OS threads?
<dsheets> all threads can communicate but only one can hold the runtime lock at a time
<dsheets> well behaved bindings will release the lock when doing things that don't require the runtime
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<tibor> Hi
<tibor> How can I pass a function as a parameter for a function? (only as anonimus function?)
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<flux> tibor, foo (fun arg -> anonymous_code_here)
<flux> or in case of non-anynymous function: foo bar
<flux> where bar is the function
<flux> in other words: exactly like any other value
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<Cardoe> Hoping someone can help me with some syntax issues. I’m very very very new to OCaml so pardon the silliness. http://paste.ubuntu.com/12246807/
<zozozo> Cardoe: you're missing an 'in' after you exception catching
<zozozo> Cardoe: it should be let path = try ... with ... /xenbus" *in* print_string path;;
<Cardoe> zozozo: So I’m wanting that string to be “returned” (sorry speaking like a procedural programmer here)
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<Cardoe> zozozo: Basically trying to fix some Xen code to try /dev/xen/xenbus first and then fall back to /proc/xen/xenbus. The original Xen code is at http://paste.ubuntu.com/12246833/
<Cardoe> zozozo: But I think you solved it for me. Thank you!
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<flux> hmh, I suppose mirage isn't going to support kvm any time soon?
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<apache2> 56
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<dsheets> i think you can turn mirage apps into rump kernel apps and rump supports kvm
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<Denommus> hi
<Denommus> is there a function in Lwt similar to bind, but with signature 'a t -> ('a lazy -> 'b t) -> 'b t?
<Denommus> that is, I don't want to wait for the result of the first parameter. Instead, I want to take the possible result as a lazy value
<Denommus> if I try to force it, it should wait for the answer
<companion_cube> I don't think so
<companion_cube> but you can do let fut = a in (* code here *) .... (* force here *) a >>= fun x -> b
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<Drup> there is Lwt.poll too
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<mrvn> why not 'a lazy t -> ('a lazy -> 'b t) -> 'b t?
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<Denommus> mrvn: I need the first parameter to be strict because of reasons
<mrvn> you can't make it lazy after evaluation.
<Denommus> mrvn: wait, you're right, that's what I need
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<Algebr> on big ml files, merlin craps out with "Merlin was already processing..." in emacs.
<Algebr> Is this a known issue
<apache2> Parse error: [opt_when_expr] expected after [patt_as_patt_opt] (in [match_case0])
<apache2> what does this mean?
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<Algebr> probably easier to show code?
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<apache2> match foo with | { myopt = Some opt; } -> ....
<apache2> ah right I had | failwith ... instead of | _ -> failwith ...
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<apache2> hmm, new question: I have `type _ type_t = Type_a : 'a -> 'a type_t | Type_b : 'b -> 'b type_t`, but that means I can end up with recursive types like `string type_t type_t`
<apache2> how do I limit it so 'a and 'b can't be type_t ?
<mrvn> you can't
<mrvn> no that that type makes much sense anyway
<apache2> I use it to tag various types throughout my application to make sure they've been constructed either as Type_a or Type_b, for static taint analysis
<mrvn> s/no/not/
<apache2> but my knowledge of GADT is pretty weak
<mrvn> normaly you have a GADT so you can know the type. But 'a and 'b can both be any type. So doesn't help to have the two.
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<apache2> so I should just make the 'a and 'b 'string' or a [> type]
<apache2> ?
<mrvn> if you have a more concret type than 'a then by all means use it
<apache2> the problem is that I have a broad 'opt' type, but certain options are only valid in some contexts
<apache2> and I wasn't sure how to express that in the type system
<apache2> sometimes all of them are valid (when I need to print the name, for example)
<mrvn> type _ t = String : string -> string t | Foo : foo -> foo t ...
<mrvn> or type t = String of string | Foo of foo | ...
<mrvn> [ `Type ], [< `Type] and [> `Type]
<apache2> can it be done without polymorhpic variants>?
<mrvn> restricting the opt type sounds like you want polymorphic variants
<apache2> perhaps if there was a way to make a type be a "superclass" of
<apache2> the groups of opts
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<mrvn> polymorphic variants do that. or objects in other cases
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<apache2> oh ok, I've just been told to stay away from objects at all cossts
<apache2> perhaps I need objects then?
<mrvn> no, polymorphic variants sounds right
<apache2> problem with polymorphic variants is that I can't make them opaque
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<flux> at all costs? but ocaml objects are great!
<flux> not a beginner topic, though
<apache2> probably why that was the recommendation given to me :)
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<tomboy64> i have no idea what's going on here. any hints? https://bpaste.net/show/e1342f6828a3
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<def`> Algebr: yes for the merlin issue. we are working (notnmuch these days) on a fix
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<Algebr> I also had some ideas to add to merlin....and oasis...just not enough time.
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<def`> you can still share your ideas
<Algebr> I want merlin to show me all usages of a function in a directory
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<Drup> tomboy64: sounds like a version issue
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<def`> Algebr: this is being worked on, but it's a lot of work to get right
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<Algebr> When writing an API, how do you know when to make it have a monadic interface
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<SomeDamnBody> does anybody know how to tell oasis that even though my MainIs is main.ml, that I want my executable name to be what I wrote next to Executable as the guide says?
<SomeDamnBody> is it my _tags file that getting in the way with this?
<Algebr> That's just for build, when you do make install, it will be named the correct thing
<SomeDamnBody> ah ok
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