<beneroth>
(NATO extension was promised not to happen)
<anjaa>
never trust a westerner
<beneroth>
well distrust will surely help us all...not
<beneroth>
the west is going down... I mean the western values. it's a shame.
<anjaa>
western values gave us intercontinental slavery and white supremacy, i'll be glad to see those values die
<beneroth>
slavery was part of every human civilisation in history... I don't see how it is specific western.
<beneroth>
I was referring to stuff like human rights, rule of law, democracy, privacy, tolerance.
<anjaa>
those aren't specifically western
<anjaa>
the industrialisation of intercontinental slavery is part of white supremacy and as such very specifically western
<anjaa>
well one could argue that human rights are specifically western, but that would be because they are also part of the christian enlightenment project
<anjaa>
so human rights are euro-christian
<beneroth>
I don't see that this has much Christian roots. Christianity in Europe adapted to enlightenment so it could survive. It is not the same Christianity that claimed Kings were appointed by God all the centuries before.
<anjaa>
still true, though
<beneroth>
how to ensure to spread human rights while spreading Christianity? not possible. so lets just spread human rights, it is probably easier to get people like it when it isn't attached to a religion.
<beneroth>
I would also claim that white supremacy was strengthened a lot by Christianity. People tend to forget that Jesus was a non-white jew.
<anjaa>
secularism is lutheran so i don't really see the dichotomy you seem to see. something can be inherently christian, or stand on a firmly christian foundation, without being overtly clear that it is in fact a christian foundation
<anjaa>
if you're interested in the subject you could read up on, say, islamic opposition to our human rights
<anjaa>
western culture isn't neutral. we didn't throw away christianity, we incorporated it into our culture in sneaky ways, like secularism
<anjaa>
and the idea that western culture and the western person are inherently neutral
<anjaa>
human rights documents*
<beneroth>
Freedom of thought, conscience and religion is part of human rights. It is not part of Christianity, not even of Protestantism by Luther who found "The Bible only is infallible" (which edition, I ask)
<beneroth>
anyway, I agree, distinction for the mere value of distinction is of no use.
<tankfeeder>
OMG
<tankfeeder>
i've implement flood on grids
<beneroth>
wut
* beneroth
likes to see
<tankfeeder>
task: how many regions on map
<tankfeeder>
region is a group of used cells that are all adjacent, not including diagonals
<beneroth>
or language where such mistakes are less like (don't think there are any, really)
<beneroth>
or something like the lint tool, to check for such stuff automatically :)
<m_mans>
yeah, maybe some custom lint tool
<m_mans>
"my_usual_errors_linter"
<beneroth>
the trick is, I think, this must be at least framework-specific. the general lint/pp tooling works for general picolisp, but does not check much. but you cannot check much, as it is highly framework specific...
<beneroth>
e.g. a lint tool for form.l, maybe another to check a prolog expression, another custom to whatever you are doing with picolisp
<m_mans>
nice, it just works. One small quote, lol