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<brandelune> Reading the log now. Thank you all for the tests. I'm on an island until tomorrow evening so intermittent connection.
<brandelune> Sorry for that.
<brandelune> right now I can't even get past (cd src64; make emu)... :(
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<Nistur> Regenaxer: http://ix.io/19o0 <-- sorry I forgot to post it last night, that's my build-mac.sh for src64 emu. It requires gcc to be installed with homebrew and I believe it's pointing at the most recent version, but it's currently hard coded which is not great...
<Regenaxer> Hi Nistur! Great, thanks!
<Nistur> I cannot remember precisely what I changed from your suggestion, but I don't think it was much. It MAY just have been CC
<Nistur> oh, I commented out the strip at the end because I wanted the symbols for debugging stuff
<Nistur> maybe some of the CFLAGS
<Nistur> I don't remember
<Regenaxer> Let's see if brandelune later picks it up from the log
<Regenaxer> He tried (cd src64; make emu) which will not work on Mac
<Nistur> yes.
<Nistur> *yet
<Nistur> :P
<Regenaxer> :)
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<beneroth> hi all
<beneroth> (good that they informed their users. client certs would solve this - too bad nobody cares to implement it (and make it manageable in browsers). Google are actively working against it, so...)
<Regenaxer> Hi beneroth
<beneroth> hi Regenaxer :)
<Regenaxer> In Germany we must obey to the DSGVO (Datenschutzgrundverordnung) after 25th of May. I wonder if this applies to picolisp.com too
<Regenaxer> During the next weeks I have to fix all my websites and services
<Regenaxer> BTW, not only Germany. It is EU law
<beneroth> every company that offers services to EU citizens
<beneroth> (including free information "services")
<Regenaxer> yep
<Regenaxer> It begins with the logfiles, which contain IP addresses
<beneroth> aye
<Regenaxer> Do we really need to delete them after 2 weeks?
<Regenaxer> ATM I keep them 4 months
<beneroth> though its up to debate if IP addresses in logfiles are personal data - only if they can be correlated to a user.
<beneroth> in CH we must keep them 6 months due swiss surveillance state.
<Regenaxer> oh, *must*
<Regenaxer> I can correlate them only if they log in somewhere
<beneroth> aye. there is an exemption for small businesses, which would probably apply to me, but I need to check and then to register for it
<beneroth> additionally, as a webhoster I might be attackable for DSGVO failures of my clients
<beneroth> I think the risk is not high, but will see.
<Regenaxer> yeah
<beneroth> if I don't come visit you anymore, its because I can't enter germany xD
<Regenaxer> haha :)
<beneroth> germany is awful with this Abmahnrecht
<Regenaxer> yes, sick
<Regenaxer> It is an industry
<beneroth> aye. parasites.
<Regenaxer> exactly
<beneroth> oh, DSGVO probably also applies to the mailing list, no? xD question is if it requires any information material somewhere.. I mean users opt-in pretty clearly when subscribing, and if you keep up the email you know exactly when they opted-in.
<Regenaxer> yes, I thought it does not apply. At least it is not a public "website" - Though the archive in fact is, but this does not show addresses
<beneroth> hm
<beneroth> though
<beneroth> picolisp.com: is it managed by 7fach GmbH, oder by yourself as a private person?
<beneroth> software-lab.de is no company, and its closer entangled with picolisp.com than 7fach
<Regenaxer> It is on the same server, but not related to 7fach
<beneroth> DSVGO applies only to companies
<Regenaxer> Software Lab is also a company (GBR in German law)
<beneroth> I have no clue what GBR is xD
<Regenaxer> But DSVGO also applies to private persons if there is a commercial side (eg. ads.), and also to "Vereine"
<Regenaxer> GBR is Gesellschaft bürgerlichen Rechts
<beneroth> hm, right.
<beneroth> you have to many layers of laws. kingdom inheritance stuff.
<Regenaxer> I host the pil-DB of a Schützenverein (where I'm member) and a Fussballverein
<Regenaxer> Also some ERP systems
<beneroth> no public users, but the employees
<Regenaxer> all ERPs and Vereine are not publicly accessible, so I wonder if they apply
<Regenaxer> yes, "public" is the question
<beneroth> applies if there is data of EU citizens in it.
<beneroth> including employee data.
<beneroth> afaik.
<beneroth> same as Windows 10 telemetry probably violates the privacies of your employees if the HR of the company has the employees medical files on it.
<Regenaxer> probably
<Regenaxer> Problem are also languages. For FireFight I need to do that probably also in Catalan and Spanish. And if picolisp.com applies also in English
<Regenaxer> FireFight collects also geolocations
<Regenaxer> Fortunately I don't use Cookies anywhere :)
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<freeemint> Hi guys ... do you have any idea for a personal website in Picolisp
<freeemint> As in how would you built your personal website with picolisp
<freeemint> What should be on a personal website and so on
<beneroth> A blog about your adventures with picolisp
<beneroth> a privacy statement in case any EU citizens read your website :P
<beneroth> a link list of picolisp resources
<beneroth> a poll about which undocumented part of picolisp you should document first :D
<freeemint> No i mean a personal website with and not about picolisp (though picolisp will get a section too)
<freeemint> a website fitting for surename.de
<beneroth> what is the goal of making such a website?
<beneroth> haha, the current XKCD is gold: https://xkcd.com/1988/
<freeemint> the last few were gold, the one with python too
<freeemint> a digital portfolio (which might be linked on buisness card) and should give an impression of me as a person
<beneroth> T
<freeemint> oh and it should be js free
<beneroth> oh that it should be
<beneroth> makes it a lot faster
<freeemint> (although math is handled better represented with js than with tex exports
<freeemint> (because math is somewhat copy pasteable
<freeemint> ]
<beneroth> math: why not svg?
<beneroth> I would guess tex can be exported to sv
<beneroth> svg
<freeemint> Can i export latex/math-syntax to svg?
<beneroth> dunno. I would hope so?
<beneroth> lol
<beneroth> tex -> pdf -> svg...
<beneroth> picolisp to pdf is: picolisp -> svg -> pdf xD
<beneroth> this looks promising: http://dvisvgm.bplaced.net/
<freeemint> i want to automate the tool chain as best as i can
<freeemint> so using gui is not an option
<freeemint> beneroth text is not markable ... that is a no go
<beneroth> should be possible with SVG
<freeemint> should
<freeemint> my idea was png exports with latex source as alternative text
<freeemint> but that is only a technical aspect
<beneroth> svg with latex source as alternative text would be better quality
<freeemint> beneroth, do you have a personal/buisness website?
<beneroth> nope
<beneroth> for what?
<beneroth> no need
<freeemint> ok
<freeemint> yeah
<freeemint> why not embed pfds?
<beneroth> for similar reason that js is bad?
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<freeemint> ok
<freeemint> mhh to svg seems to be a good option
<beneroth> I argue here from a pure technical / minimalist / quality standpoint
<beneroth> other arguments might matter more, depending on the use case and context
<freeemint> ok
<freeemint> Why is pdf of lower qualitiy than svg?
<freeemint> pdf compresses better for speed
<beneroth> vector-based pdf?
<beneroth> you need to parse the pdf (or svg) on the client
<beneroth> dunno if the pdf interpreter is worse than svg interpreters
<beneroth> both can embed JS to make attacks afaik
<freeemint> T
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<freeemint> ok your svg solution settels by notate math problem
<freeemint> *my
<freeemint> Open problems are: -content -organization and structure -design
<freeemint> input still wanted
<beneroth> Regenaxer, rofl: https://gdpr-shield.io/
<beneroth> freeemint, do some work yourself mate :P
<freeemint> don't assume i do not work
<beneroth> Regenaxer, "Simply paste our JavaScript snippet into your website's code. We'll check every visitor of your site and will block access to users located within the EU." bwahaha
<beneroth> freeemint, I don't. but don't you make overly use of others lifetime
<beneroth> also: feel free to show off, e.g. showing us something you made :) often you only ask.
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<freeemint> beneroth ok
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<beneroth> bb
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