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<aw-> hi all
<aw-> Regenaxer: do I need to be subscribed to send an email to the Mailing List?
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<Regenaxer> aw-, yes, non-registered mails are rejected
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<aw-> OK thanks, in that case I will re-register
<Regenaxer> great! :)
<Regenaxer> I see your successful registration
<aw-> ok thanks
<beneroth> Good morning Regenaxer
<beneroth> Hi aw- :=
<beneroth> :)
<Regenaxer> Hi beneroth
<aw-> hi beneroth
<tankf33der> i did my "silly" tests for bigmath against python3. pil32, 64, ersatz passed. all ok.
<tankf33der> added to huge.l for future releases.
<Regenaxer> cool!
<beneroth> excellent!
<beneroth> can you say something about how pil compares to python (performance, memory usage) ?
<beneroth> (asking just in case you can)
<beneroth> (yes I got python friends I need to drag into pil eventually)
<tankf33der> i would say the same,a bit slower, somewhere near ruby.
<Regenaxer> aw-, great! Pil-jobs :)
<beneroth> thanks
<tankf33der> Regenaxer: ersatz failed on utf8 test (4th byte)
<Regenaxer> tankf33der, correct, I did not bother
<tankf33der> ok
<Regenaxer> Java has only 16-bit char types
<Regenaxer> Namespaces are also not compatible in Ersatz
<Regenaxer> could be fixed though (namespaces I mean)
<beneroth> nice ad, aw-
<aw-> ^5
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<tankf33der> next task
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<tankf33der> Regenaxer: here?
<Regenaxer> yes
<tankf33der> link above about day 15
<Regenaxer> ok
<tankf33der> question: how to handle grid and several elfs and goblins?
<tankf33der> and move them on grid
<Regenaxer> In a grid field can only be an elve OR a goblin?
<tankf33der> yeap
<Regenaxer> not two?
<Regenaxer> Do you see a problem?
<tankf33der> 6 hours already
<Regenaxer> oh
<Regenaxer> Is it basically similar to the chess board?
<tankf33der> o
<tankf33der> maybe
<tankf33der> i will check then
<Regenaxer> Chess also uses grid
<Regenaxer> How about "Forest Fire" in rosetta?
<tankf33der> also will check, thanks
<Regenaxer> forest fire is simpler
<Regenaxer> Which special problem did you hit upon?
<Regenaxer> I mean, you did many grids already
<tankf33der> a lot
<Regenaxer> T
<tankf33der> but never move objects on grid.
<Regenaxer> ok
<tankf33der> chess pieces :)
<Regenaxer> yes
<Regenaxer> in forest they don't move
<Regenaxer> just trees change to fire and then nothing iirc
<Regenaxer> or life
<Regenaxer> "Conway's Game of Life" in rosetta
<tankf33der> i know all this tasks. will check
<tankf33der> afk.
<Regenaxer> But here the patterns move, not really pieces
<Regenaxer> ok
<tankf33der> patterns ?
<tankf33der> but elfs and goblins are pieces
<tankf33der> no?
<Regenaxer> right
<Regenaxer> and in Life patters seem to move
<tankf33der> aaa.
<Regenaxer> but it is only "cells" going on and off
<tankf33der> yea, ok
<tankf33der> afk.
<Regenaxer> cu
<rick42> hello, Regenaxer! hello all!
<rick42> yes, I was also happy to see aw-'s job ad
<Regenaxer> Hi rick42!
<Regenaxer> indeed :)
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<rick42> "secret alien technology" made a little less secret :)
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<tankf33der> i will cross picochess and bot on lichess
<tankf33der> lets found the strength
<tankf33der> leves are from 1 to 10
<Regenaxer> lichess.org ?
<tankf33der> yeap
<tankf33der> i dont know why i didnt before :)
<Regenaxer> interesting
<razzy> tankf33der: how, i am interested
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<tankf33der> razzy: i will play for both sides
<razzy> tankf33der: on lichess there is stockfish engine. which is opensource. downloadable.
<razzy> i did not used it tho.
<razzy> i always used web interface :]
<razzy> tankf33der: to get accurate results you need good number of statistics.
<tankf33der> i dont feel the ennergy to implement chess protocol to play engines in 24h loop
<razzy> i played several games "by hand" and StockFish "feels" stronger on classical chess rules.
<razzy> Stockfish is also 7k lines of code. or something like that. is is said that older implementations had 14k lines of code.
<razzy> rules up-on rules
<razzy> and huge database of start-positions and end-positions
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<razzy> i do not want to look at stockfish code one bit :]
<tankf33der> i mess game somehow on move 20 but picochess can win level5
<tankf33der> pure fun :)
<Regenaxer> Really? Can win?
<tankf33der> i will try again
<Regenaxer> Pil is white?
<tankf33der> but i already see it stronger
<tankf33der> yes, white
<Regenaxer> cool :)
<tankf33der> link of game: https://lichess.org/itC6SSZO/white#1
<Regenaxer> ok
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<razzy> tankf33der: stockfish lvl5 is stockfish with handicap yes?
<tankf33der> i dont see handicap maybe on strength
<razzy> stockfish starts to be good from depth 18. it uses weird depth count
<razzy> or you need to manually check its moves, its propositions changes
<razzy> *proposals
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<tankf33der> lost to level8
<tankf33der> now level6
<razzy> post board if you can. i enjoy it very much :]
<tankf33der> live game.
<tankf33der> lest see
<razzy> uh, funny, i was expecting win for black until black lost his last knight
<tankf33der> lost to level 6
<tankf33der> now level6 and depth 7 of picochess
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<razzy> you would wait a long time in midle game, imho
<tankf33der> yeap
<tankf33der> game aborted
<tankf33der> now level5
<Regenaxer> Pil levev 7 takes very long
<razzy> i played corespondence chess, and leaved picochess at depth 8 on backround
<Regenaxer> Pil is white again?
<Regenaxer> razzy, wow, how long takes one move then?
<tankf33der> pil is black
<Regenaxer> ok
<Regenaxer> yeah, pil chess is slow
<Regenaxer> But that's ok, it is very simple
<tankf33der> and several KB in memory
<razzy> Regenaxer: 1000s at depth 8 at the start position
<razzy> can take 3600s in midle game
<Regenaxer> ok
<razzy> i i use picochess as support engine. and i think i can beat stockfish with picochess analysis
<razzy> and some tweaks
<razzy> but i am still at learning picolisp :D
<razzy> ussually picochess search about 3 full trees at this depth
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<razzy> in mid game picochess may have to search more trees. depends if oponent is capable enough :]
<Regenaxer> Really interesting
<Regenaxer> Watching pil chess at work
<Regenaxer> I could never test it such hard, as I'm a bad chess player
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<Regenaxer> hmm
<Regenaxer> I cant win
<Regenaxer> It does not find a way to use the knight on level 5
<Regenaxer> or the pawns
<Regenaxer> So it is remis
<Regenaxer> Funny!
<tankf33der> so
<Regenaxer> I'm off for today
<tankf33der> picochess plays as 1500-1700ELO
<tankf33der> proved.
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<Regenaxer> I don't know these levels
<tankf33der> imho its very high, i was optimistic for level1, cant imagine dont lose at level5!
<tankf33der> congratulations to code, as usual from Regenaxer.
<Regenaxer> Thanks! I'm surprised too :)
<Regenaxer> Must stop. Thanks for the show!! :)
<Regenaxer> Good night!
<tankf33der> o/
<tankf33der> afk.
<Regenaxer> :)
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<razzy> not handicaped stockfish has ELO about 3000 http://fastgm.de/60+0.60%20-%20Universal.html there are several engines
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