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<Nistur>
DKordic: I usually attempt to avoid Python on principle. I have minor issues with the language (I prefer parens or braces to whitespace) I have a more major issue with the bloat. I have former wounds from trying to set it up on Windows. I believe that's gotten better recently but I still don't like it. My _main_ issue is the python programmer's ethos of 'everything is a python shaped nail'
<Nistur>
there was a (mis?)quote somewhere that said that Python is the second best language for any problem. While not true in a number of ways, that just leads to a "eh, we'll just do it in Python, it'll be easier than learning X"
<Nistur>
I like learning different languages, so I make a point of trying to find _other_ ways of doing things than just reverting to Python
<Nistur>
also: Good morning all :)
<Regenaxer>
Good morning Nistur :)
<aw->
hello
<Regenaxer>
Hi aw-!
<aw->
Nistur: how's the progress with the webapp/curl
<Nistur>
helloo :)
<Nistur>
aw-: I Spent a little time last night trying to make a CLI client to send some json requests by doing (native "libcurl.so"... but I forgot how awkward libcurl is to use, and how easy curl is to use from command line :P so for now I'm just using (call "curl"... :P Have now got an easy way to develop and manually test the endpoints :) As of tonight, I'll start looking at stubbing out all the endpoints I
<Nistur>
believe I'll need
<Nistur>
I need to learn DB stuff to actually _implement_ any of them, as well as a whole load of other things... but as I've got very little actual code, as I've been experimenting and learning so far, I want to make some actual progress for a bit :P
<Nistur>
(very) slow going... but it's going
<Regenaxer>
I have a problem with "ssh -R ..". If the connection breaks for some reason, the tunnel is nit closed and the next call fails
<aw->
oh haha libcurl
<Regenaxer>
Any ideas?
<aw->
Nistur: yes (call 'curl) works so well, I use it in a lot of my picolisp code
<Nistur>
I was using that to call home from work previously and never had problems. Are you using any other flags?
<aw->
Regenaxer: perhaps try the '-o ControlMaster=yes' option?
<Regenaxer>
ok, let me try
<aw->
no idea if that helps
<Nistur>
aw-: I'd prefer, if I could, to do native calls but I'm not going to bang my head on it right now
<Regenaxer>
hmm, no change
<aw->
yes there's a learning curve and lots of trial&error with picolisp native
<Regenaxer>
If I kill the connection, it fails the second time
<aw->
it helps when the C lib is well written/documented
<aw->
and has simple structures
<aw->
i tried messing with sqlite native and gave up quickly, it was too complex within picolisp :(
<Nistur>
aw-: the native calls themselves were not a problem (yet... I hadn't got through to actually receiving data... not sure how that would work as it populates a buffer you provide as a parameter...) but just that for a simple CLI call, you need to do a million and one things, and if it errors, it gives you an error code (in my case malformed URL) but doesn't say why. As far as I can tell from examples etc,
<Nistur>
and the fact I was using the same bloody URL as at CLI, it should have worked
<DKordic>
Good morning everyone.
<Nistur>
o7
<DKordic>
Nistur: I agree that python as a whole is a BloatWare. But there are some interesting programs buried in it :) .
<Regenaxer>
Hi DKordic!
<DKordic>
Isn't "execve" (""CLI"") inappropriate for Your task? Aren't You looking for "dlopen"?
<Nistur>
me?
<DKordic>
Yes.
<Nistur>
I was wanting the equivalent of the latter, but I'm now doing the former
<beneroth>
Good morning all
<Nistur>
o/
<Regenaxer>
Hi beneroth!
<DKordic>
Hi beneroth.
<DKordic>
Nistur: PicoLisp ""call"" is an "execve" wrapper.
<Nistur>
yup, which is what I'm doing. It's good enough for now
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<Regenaxer>
hmm, I don't find a way to close or kill the (possibly still running) old ssh connection
<Regenaxer>
I use this here in this IRC client
<Regenaxer>
I use reverse tunnel to ping my mobile device if a message appears
<Regenaxer>
but when walking around the house the connection may break often
<Regenaxer>
When reconnecting (e.g.with autossh) it works, but the reverse tunnel fails cause the old is still open
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<Nistur>
Hmmm, strange, my tunnel closed when it lost connection
<Regenaxer>
How do you detect that?
<Regenaxer>
that it is indeed closed?
<Regenaxer>
I notice only when I connect again
<Regenaxer>
then -R fails on the remote side
<Nistur>
I restarted the reverse tunnel and it worked?
<Regenaxer>
ok
<Regenaxer>
I use (call "ssh" "-R" "2201:localhost:2201" (opt))
<Regenaxer>
I get "Warning: remote port forwarding failed for listen port 2201"
<Regenaxer>
*if* the previous connection was cut off the hard way
<Regenaxer>
i.e. by putting my device in airplane mode
<Nistur>
hmmm, looks right. I don't think I changed anything. Does ssh show up in ps when it disconnects?
<Regenaxer>
I don't know as I need to connect again to see
<Regenaxer>
After a second connect it cleans up
<Regenaxer>
So what works is connect + exit + connect
<Regenaxer>
OK, let me monitor from a separate session
<Regenaxer>
difficult, *that* session is called too of course ;)
<Regenaxer>
I need some way to kill *possibly* still open sessions upon start up
<Regenaxer>
I don't want to do killall ssh
<Nistur>
save the PID of the connection then kill -9?
<Regenaxer>
Something with 'lsof -i :2201' perhaps
<Regenaxer>
yeah
<Regenaxer>
but I did not find a way to get the pid of the current one
<Regenaxer>
the parent pid of the current bash?
<Regenaxer>
I also tried (call "ssh" "-o" "StreamLocalBindUnlink=yes" ...
<Regenaxer>
did not help
<Nistur>
not sure how you'd do it from within picolisp, but in bash you'd just store $! to get the pid of the last running command (if it's still running, I think)
<Regenaxer>
$! is empty
<beneroth>
Regenaxer, use (pipe), store the Pid in picolisp, then switch zu bash using (exec) ?
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<Regenaxer>
(pipe) to where?
<Regenaxer>
The above picolisp call is here on the phone
<beneroth>
btw I ususally use ssh -D <local-port> -f -C -q -N <host>
<beneroth>
not within picolisp so far, though
<Regenaxer>
hmm
<Regenaxer>
I need -R I think
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<Regenaxer>
I need 2201 open remote, so that irc can connect back
<Nistur>
-D is forward tunnel, -R is reverse tunnel. So probably, yep
<Regenaxer>
T
<Regenaxer>
and that remote port is not closed sometimes
<Regenaxer>
or perhaps too late
<Regenaxer>
Some KeepAlive in sshd_config ?
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<Regenaxer>
Can I pass KeepAlive on the 'call'?
<Regenaxer>
Perhaps to 2 secs?
<Regenaxer>
-o ServerAliveInterval=2 ?
<Regenaxer>
I try
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<Regenaxer>
Nope, does not help :(
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<Nistur>
ahaha, I have just distracted a friend from his current project to consider (re)writing it in picolisp :D
<beneroth>
good job :)
<beneroth>
what is his project about, roughly?
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<Nistur>
he's currently working on a personal webpage in django, and then making a web backend for some app. Not entirely sure what for
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<Nistur>
I think he was considering using C for that, or perhaps his own (lisp-inspired) language... but I don't know that he's got much working on that yet
<beneroth>
yeah picolisp would be a good fit for that
<beneroth>
that is basically what I use it for, primarily. business web applications / databases
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<DKordic>
lisp-inspired language sounds interesting. Could we see more about it?
<beneroth>
you're a language collector :)
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<Nistur>
DKordic: I'm not sure if there's much about it :P