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wpwrak>
lekernel: so i'm not the only one who doesn't quite understand all the buzz about the arduino ;-)
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lekernel>
there's a word for it: hipsterism
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wpwrak>
lekernel: heh ;-)
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freespace>
this brings to mind the word elitism
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bartbes>
I'd say it's more like ease of use
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bartbes>
it's an easy way to get into 'hardware'
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bartbes>
better word would be electronics
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bartbes>
it allows you to build pretty complicated stuff really fast
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bartbes>
you could say it's mostly a prototyping platform
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freespace>
got it in one bartbes
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unclouded>
can Arduino boards be used as a normal AVR development board?
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unclouded>
like having spike suppression on RESET and a 10-pin header but being able to blow away the Arduino bootloader and use it like a normal AVR
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freespace>
you you can easily blow away the bootloader
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freespace>
what is spike suppression on reset?
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bartbes>
ofc you can overwrite the bootloader
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unclouded>
stops noise resetting the AVR when you didn't expect it
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bartbes>
provided you have a programmer
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freespace>
how is it done 'normally'
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unclouded>
a stronger pull-up and a capacitor
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bartbes>
well, I guess it has that
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bartbes>
because I have never seen it reset at random
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freespace>
me neither
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freespace>
the schematics are available online, this should be a simple thing to check
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unclouded>
I haven't seen one reset without the suppression parts either but Atmel still recommends those external parts for production systems
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freespace>
there is at the very least a pullup :http://arduino.cc/en/uploads/Main/arduino-duemilanove-schematic.pdf
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orly_owl>
when is the next nanonote out
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unclouded>
anyway I just wondered about the Arduino boards.  I don't have any EE qualifications so I'm talking out of my hat a bit
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unclouded>
freespace: thanks for the schematic.  looks like C13 does spike suppression
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lekernel>
unclouded, arduino boards are normal avr boards - nothing else...
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wolfspraul>
lekernel: thanks for the excellent GPS links, I never saw this project before!
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kristianpaul>
mirko: awake?
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kristianpaul>
mirko: are you aware of new X features in backfire openwrt?
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kristianpaul>
and the posibillity of give the option to run X on the xbusrt openwrt in case X could works nice?