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<wolfspraul>
ah, I had to rebuild the planet cache and now email subscribers get all posts again ;-)
<wolfspraul>
oh well
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<whitequark>
I think it has proven itself to be pretty stable
<whitequark>
last outage was four weeks ago, and it was due to flaky IPv6 connectivity at my hoster
<whitequark>
well, it was "beta" but I thought it would work
<whitequark>
it would not.
<whitequark>
that is, each week it would mysteriously get partly down for a period of time
<whitequark>
and my bot would reconnect until it'd run out of nicks
<whitequark>
and then it died
<wolfspraul>
ah yes
<wolfspraul>
next time I do server work I should just install the software, right?
<whitequark>
yeah, that'll work
<whitequark>
or you can just point a cname at irclog.wq.org
<wolfspraul>
I would probably want to integrate it with some css or so, but I need to do the design cleanup first anyway
<wolfspraul>
I think it will definitely get done, just not very fast right now
<whitequark>
can your work be integrated into upstream?
<whitequark>
because I'm tempted to add support for changeable themes
<whitequark>
that would be quite a nice feature
<whitequark>
"dark" and "light" one, for example
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<wolfspraul>
I'm not working on it actively right now, but of course we are both in this channel, things can go 'upstream' (to you :-))
<kyak>
whitequark: is there a way to change a year fast?
<kyak>
side question: where are the logs for 14th and 21st of Dec? :)
<kyak>
yep. it's much better than today's logs (increased usability, fast search)
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<kyak>
the search output would probablt look better when grouped by date rather than each line prefixed with date
<kyak>
now, i might be wrong, but i can get to a specific date much faster with the current interface
<kyak>
wrong because it is unlikely that someone wants to go to a specific date
<kyak>
hw would rather search
<kyak>
then search is very important
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<whitequark>
kyak: you can change year in the address line. that's why I made sensible URLs
<whitequark>
I may think of a better way, through
<whitequark>
the logs for 14th and 21st of Dec? simple. IPv6 outage. afther that I've switched to plain old IPv4
<kyak>
address line, of course :) but it
<whitequark>
I'll refill these gaps
<whitequark>
the search output, hm
<whitequark>
that's a good suggestion
<whitequark>
can you write an issue on github so I don't forget it?
<kyak>
i can do this
<whitequark>
thanks
<whitequark>
(Search) yes, it is important
<whitequark>
that's why I am maintaining a rather large index and a huge mysql runtime
<kyak>
yep, the search (speed) is great
<whitequark>
it also has modifiers like "and" and stuff
<whitequark>
and it's better than "just Google" in this case
<kyak>
can i apply time constraints to a search? i.e. search within specific time range
<whitequark>
hm
<whitequark>
I think no
<whitequark>
any ideas for an interface for this?
<whitequark>
DB is indexed by both timestamp and text (obviously)
<kyak>
maybe introduce some special word for that
<kyak>
from the other hand, this would increase comlexity for nothing..
<whitequark>
that'd interfere with the plain querying, won't it?
<whitequark>
yes, and that too
<whitequark>
"and" and friends are quite obvious
<kyak>
don't bother :)
<whitequark>
you already have that in google
<whitequark>
I'm not afraid of complexity
<whitequark>
the logger is, I dunno, like 200 lines of code
<whitequark>
and maybe the same for logging bot
<whitequark>
s,logger,log viewer,
<whitequark>
ruby is similar to perl in the amount of code, but quite dissimilar for its readability ;)
<kyak>
the best thing is that the author (you) is interested in this project.. Unlike the author of current irc logs web interface
<kyak>
i just submitted the issue btw :)
<whitequark>
<trolling-mode>that's because the current logger is written in python</trolling-mode>
<kyak>
:)
<whitequark>
that's why I won't be a migen contributor
<whitequark>
user, maybne
<whitequark>
but not a contributor
<whitequark>
*maybe
<kyak>
i see you didn't specify any well-known license for irclogger - did you do this for a reason?
<whitequark>
nope, just a usual attention deficit
<whitequark>
it is MIT
<whitequark>
I'll add the LICENSE when I'll get to that
<whitequark>
maybe a few days
<whitequark>
as per the time range, I think I may add "extended search"
<whitequark>
with two fields
<kyak>
or maybe do it google way
<kyak>
"last 24 hours", "last month" etc :)
<whitequark>
hm
<whitequark>
maybe
<whitequark>
wolfspraul: any ideas on this? what's more convenient?
<wolfspraul>
I need to use it and compare for a while, don't know now
<whitequark>
ok
<whitequark>
I'll do both variants
<kyak>
whitequark: another thing we already had discussion about here is what to log. Many were concerned by joins/parts/quits being logged, as it reveals the host name
<kyak>
i think the decision was only to log public chat
<whitequark>
kyak: it's public
<whitequark>
anyone can join and see the hostnames
<whitequark>
/who, etc.
<whitequark>
I've already had an argument with some partici^Wtrolls on #ruby-talk
<wolfspraul>
logging the IP addresses does not create any value
<whitequark>
hm
<wolfspraul>
which value does it create in your opinion?
<whitequark>
well
<kyak>
first, it provides no information. second, it may be found ocasionally by googling
<whitequark>
to be honest, I've been replicating irssi's format
<whitequark>
it can be removed, of course
<wolfspraul>
at the least it's clutter
<whitequark>
but I think that logging joins/parts _do_ has its value
<wolfspraul>
in which way?
<whitequark>
I have found that useful quite a few times
<kyak>
third, i have a vhost here; so i keep my privacy even if someone joins. But sometimes i can join unidentified and without vhost and wil be cought by logs
<kyak>
i don't want that
<whitequark>
kyak: as I've said, I have nothing against removing hostnames in joins/parts
<whitequark>
no problem with that
<whitequark>
and it's clutter, yes
<kyak>
removing hostnames would be great
<whitequark>
sure
<whitequark>
do you have any experience with mysql?
<whitequark>
I have something like 2 million of rows
<kyak>
nope :)
<whitequark>
sigh
<kyak>
what is your problem, maybe i still could help?
<kyak>
or someone else here
<wolfspraul>
removal of hostnames and ips would be welcomed by most I think, I fail to see the value
<kyak>
probably you can have different tables for different channels
<kyak>
other than that, why it sucks? it has int id for what matters :)
<whitequark>
er
<whitequark>
I can remove the hostnames in the logger bot
<whitequark>
but I'd need to run some sort of regexp on 500k rows
<kyak>
update [table_name] set [field_name] = replace([field_name],'[string_to_find]','[string_to_replace]');
<kyak>
this is what google says :)
<kyak>
probably 'replace' supports regexp or there are other functions supporting regexp
<whitequark>
hm
<kyak>
you can also filter on nick == NULL to find those joins/quits
<whitequark>
sure
<whitequark>
that's how I highlight them in viewer
<whitequark>
well, I'll look into it
<kyak>
whitequark: do you think it is hard to make bot connect via SSL?
<kyak>
it occured to me that some of my channels are ssl-only
<whitequark>
nope
<whitequark>
it's ruby
<whitequark>
just a matter of substituting one class for another
<kyak>
oh god, time to update my distro.. my RubyGems is tool old to install "bundle"
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<whitequark>
oh yes
<whitequark>
that's a _really_ old rubygems install
<kyak>
1.3.5 :)
<whitequark>
okay... trying to talk with four or five people simultaneously isn't a very good idea
<whitequark>
especially if you consider the fact this channel is in English and it's not native for me
<whitequark>
so, latter
<whitequark>
*later
<whitequark>
I'll be here at evening (something like 22:00 at UTC+4)
<kyak>
bye, and thanks :)
<whitequark>
you're welcome
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<cladamw>
(VGA DDC failed :: 6 / 90) wpwrak, I'm thinking this problem...even you mentioned that intermittent problem, possibly
<cladamw>
caused by software.
<cladamw>
wpwrak, but i'm not sure and don't know if existing another potential reason, why i'm thinking this? since i reviewed R2 known issues and compared to R3 known issues about L3 and L19 shorted to fix frozen problem, would it be also likely to "ground problem" to cause noises?
<cladamw>
wpwrak, sorry that wrong channel again., ;-)
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<wpwrak>
the reg puts a friendly spin on it, but not everyone would agree with that ...
<wolfspra1l>
we can see - sisvel is doing great :-)
<wolfspra1l>
hey that's our friend Bill Ray, I would totally disagree with him on that one
<wolfspra1l>
"big friendly troll offering FRAND licenses to anyone who wants one"
<wolfspra1l>
ha ha
<wolfspra1l>
can't be more backwards
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<wolfspra1l>
wpwrak: you know my guess is that Nokia is testing sisvel, giving them some starting business.
<wolfspra1l>
for sure there will be payback to Nokia depending on how much money sisvel can make, and so forth
<wolfspra1l>
and then nokia can decide later whether to expand busines with them or not, but then they have reliable historical sisvel performance data at hand :-)
<viric>
what is sisvel?
<viric>
ah I read.
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<wolfspra1l>
waste of time actually, the kind of thing that after you learned about, you wish you never had
<larsc>
or the kind of thing after you learned about it, you wish you had known about it before
<wpwrak>
;-)
<wpwrak>
sisvel is the unfriendly face of philips and now nokia
<wpwrak>
the reg has an interesting comment: this could be a ploy to outsource litigation. that way, there may be less risk of retaliatory lawsuits
<larsc>
well, you could still sue nokia nayways
<wpwrak>
yeah, but it may a) be less clear whether they're really behind it, and b) it may also cause a different public perception
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<wolfspra1l>
larsc: no, I'm sure. the first one :-)
<urandom__>
wpwrak: we have to many boooks like that, people are already overscared by new tech, we need them to believe in progress not in stagnation
<wpwrak>
oh, a little frisson now and then doesn't do much harm :)
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<wolfspra1l>
and for our English learners (including me), I looked this up - frisson: a moment of intense excitement :-)
<Ayla>
I think that's a French word
<Ayla>
but it's not exactly the same meaning in French
<larsc>
half of the english language is french
<Ayla>
I wouldn't say half
<wpwrak>
wordnet says "an almost pleasurable sensation of fright"
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<Qwin1234>
Hey all
<Qwin1234>
I wonder if anyone can help me out here with an external drive problem
<Qwin1234>
after unplugging from tv the partition is unrecognizable ...
<Qwin1234>
So i can format it but there is important data on it
<Qwin1234>
I tried getDataBack to repair the partition but it give me IO errors
<Qwin1234>
gives*
<Qwin1234>
So I think it has to do with house of the harddrive but I am not sure. What do you guys think the problem is ? ( Also any recommended tools of fixing the problem )
<mth>
I think you have the wrong channel... this channel is about building open hardware (Ben NanoNote, Milky Mist)
<Qwin1234>
Hmmm true :/
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