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<kristianpaul>
baby born :)?
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<DocScrutinizer>
nah,this is where I deal with tickets, while my colleagues already forgot about that product
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<LunaVorax_>
Hello everyone!
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<LunaVorax_>
I saw the OMG Ubuntu article about the Ben Nanonote. The comments were pretty mixed and impressive.
<LunaVorax_>
OMG Ubuntu commenters use to be pretty dumb anyway.
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<DocScrutinizer51>
RAAAAHHH 250g argentinian filet can really change Ur mood to the better
<wpwrak>
oh, you've been to the bonsai shop ? :)
<wpwrak>
for a typical grill party, i calculate 400-500 g of meat per person :)
<viric>
wpwrak: that's before dehidrating on the grill :)
<wpwrak>
argentine meat doesn't dehydrate much :)
<viric>
I agree
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<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: I'm *from* the bonsai shop, just a bit tall
<wpwrak>
;-))
<DocScrutinizer>
I actually take weird pride in making a living from <2000 kcalories/day
<DocScrutinizer>
probably soem mental disorder
<DocScrutinizer>
but every now and then a 250..300g first class filet are fine :-D
<DocScrutinizer>
already had some cake for breakfast, plus 4 cafe-latte == 16 sugarcubes today. So only 250g for me
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: what I missed to mention since years: It's really amazing how you manage to disclose less than even I do about your private life, despite being online and present all the time. Seems we got the same education of RL to know how to deal with this vampire called the web
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<viric>
education of what?
<DocScrutinizer>
education to protect your privacy and your future
<DocScrutinizer>
or was RL the query?
<DocScrutinizer>
Real Life
<viric>
ah
<viric>
I did not understand 'rl'
<DocScrutinizer>
if you encounter a real observation, with tapping your phone and all, you start to think about a few habits. Just for instance
<DocScrutinizer>
when you start to acquire knowledge about counter measures that are hightech even for three letter agencies, it starts getting insane
<DocScrutinizer>
luckily I realized what's going on before building lethal weapons became a hobby
* GNUtoo
like 3 letter agencies like FSF, GNU, etc...
<GNUtoo>
enforcing GPL since ....
<DocScrutinizer>
even those, yes. Just one club that might be on par: CCC
<GNUtoo>
some agencies support TOR
<GNUtoo>
other are against
<DocScrutinizer>
meh, TOR
<DocScrutinizer>
boring
<DocScrutinizer>
CIA thinks using TOR makes email to the office safe ;-P
<DocScrutinizer>
other idiots use their GSM phones when they have "sekrit stuff to talk"
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: which details of my private life would interest you ? :) i don't actively try to hide all that much ...
<GNUtoo>
I use too much the phone too(not cellphone tough)
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: well, unless you could not being on fakebook or such :)
<GNUtoo>
wpwrak, it could interest badly intentioned people
<DocScrutinizer51>
FB??? wtf!
<GNUtoo>
like people wanting to steal your money etc...everybody understand that they need some kind of privacy else that happend
<GNUtoo>
imagine all kind of system abused
<DocScrutinizer51>
I'd rather carry unshielded atomic wate
<GNUtoo>
it would be a nightmare
<wpwrak>
GNUtoo: yeah, i usually don't post when exactly i'll be away from home, with full direction, detailed overview of all the potential valuables and where they're placed :)
<GNUtoo>
in France they will force people to use new electricity counter that monitors what you do
<GNUtoo>
so they will be able to know when you're at home or not
<GNUtoo>
if I understood well
<GNUtoo>
I hope that wouldn't contain a microphone too
<DocScrutinizer51>
microphone in counter? how useless, there are better mics since 20 30 years
<GNUtoo>
yes in cellphones
<DocScrutinizer51>
for instance
<GNUtoo>
but if you use a freerunner that defeat the mic in cellphones
<DocScrutinizer51>
though first awesome one been FeTAP711
<GNUtoo>
you're not obligated to use a non-free phone
<GNUtoo>
but you will be obligated to get theses counter
<wpwrak>
people always demand more transparency from their governments, but then, when they get it, they're not happy either. it's really difficult :)
<DocScrutinizer>
hah
<DocScrutinizer>
check: non linear junction detector. Passive microphones. Mechanical ringer and parasitary microphony
<DocScrutinizer>
cat5 and rg58 as capacitive microphone
<DocScrutinizer>
operation distance of laser based micro vibration detectors
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<DocScrutinizer>
directional microphony by distributed large array of cheap mics
<DocScrutinizer>
differential microphony
<DocScrutinizer>
microphonic components of incandescent lamps
<DocScrutinizer>
parasitary microphonic effects in switched PSU
<DocScrutinizer>
microphony of arbitrary objects exploited by remote radar distance/doppler
<DocScrutinizer>
(e.g your clothes, your skin)
<DocScrutinizer>
exploiting non-linear acoustic properties of air on ultrasonic waves
<DocScrutinizer>
ooops last one OT, not a eavesdropping measure
<lindi->
GNUtoo: you can always balance your electricity consumption too :)
<GNUtoo>
ok
<DocScrutinizer>
rather a way to create audio out of nowhere over 10s or 100s of meters distance
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<wpwrak>
lindi-: a new product idea: "equalizer" :) whenever you drop below your peak consumption, it burns off the rest
<DocScrutinizer>
ouch
<GNUtoo>
or put it in batteries
<DocScrutinizer>
actually a UPS would make lots of sense in that scenario
<wpwrak>
GNUtoo: or supply the various countermeasures you need to keep DocScrutinizer from listening in ;-)
<lindi->
putting the sauna behind the UPS might be a slight challenge though
<DocScrutinizer>
there are no counter measures against all the shit I know
<DocScrutinizer>
lindi-: indeed
<DocScrutinizer>
you should use a verya classical electric heat storage ofen for your sauna
<lindi->
GNUtoo: I guess it'd be useful to figure out how often they send the information
<whitequark>
just use logs
<whitequark>
the wood ones.
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: hmm, i was thinking to include drones with hellfire missiles, just in case. but considering that you escaped relatively unscathed the last time they firebombed you, you may be right
<DocScrutinizer>
or simply exploit that fact that all those computerized electric counters don't use any auth and/or encryption
<lindi->
most are GSM based afaik at least here
<DocScrutinizer>
lindi-: quite possible, they invent new crap every other week regarding that
<DocScrutinizer>
here most are powerline data
<DocScrutinizer>
or even plain DSL
<DocScrutinizer>
GSM is rather convenient to shield and fake though
<DocScrutinizer>
step one: create your own femtocell that accepts all SIM
<DocScrutinizer>
step two: intercept msg from counter
<DocScrutinizer>
step three: fake that msg while your counter is wrapped into tin foil
<DocScrutinizer>
easy as that. /join #osmocom ;-P
<lindi->
I guess the power company will notice cheating eventually since they do have other ways to measure total consumption on some area too
<DocScrutinizer>
no, they don't
<DocScrutinizer>
quite usually things like trffic lights, lanterns, other municipal consumers, all have no meter at all, and are just billed by calculation based on power * hours-on
<whitequark>
OT: wpwrak: does tuxbrain's shop even work?
<DocScrutinizer>
then there are the inevitable losses on cables, transformers etc
<whitequark>
I made an order and he billed me for it, through it does not show up on the site itself
<whitequark>
wtf
<wpwrak>
whitequark:last time it tried, about a year ago, it did. maybe send him a mail ?
<whitequark>
probably
<whitequark>
!seen tuxbrain
<qi-bot>
whitequark, I found 6 matches to your query. These are the 5 most recent ones: tuxbrain_HxxHhzo, tuxbrain, tuxbrain_zzzzzz, tuxbrain_PASS, tuxbrain_WPAN. tuxbrain_HxxHhzo (~tuxbrain@95.61.34.233) was last seen quitting #milkymist 14 weeks 6 days 2 hours 6 minutes ago (18.10. 19:27) stating "Ping timeout: 256 seconds" after spending 23 hours there.
<wpwrak>
whitequark: david@tuxbrain.com
<whitequark>
wpwrak: thanks, wrote him
<whitequark>
10k rur isn't a small amount :/
<DocScrutinizer>
well, that's a friggin useful feature of that bot :-D
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: do you mean qi-bot or wpwrak? ;)
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: evidently is no bot
<whitequark>
well, I heard there was some advanced AI research ongoing...
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<DocScrutinizer>
ooops, s/FeTAP711/FeTAP791(?)/
<DocScrutinizer>
the fools used an electronic unit counter built around a (iirc) uA741. Some genius managed to mess up circuit and routing in such a way the whole circuit oscillated @ ~90kHz, and since it been powered from a/b line, it of course been amplitude modulated -- XP
<DocScrutinizer>
AFAIK the only phone that came with a eavesdrop transmitter by design
<DocScrutinizer>
with a standard allband radio you could receive the shitty phone via 10..20m
<DocScrutinizer>
with a tailored-to-teh-usecase receiver probably a few 100m distance feasible
<wpwrak>
very popular in embassies and such ?
<DocScrutinizer>
I bet
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<GNUtoo>
lol
<DocScrutinizer>
nowadays you got switched PSU that make for brilliant TX, though microphonic sensitivity might be a bit worse
<GNUtoo>
hmmm do you have more details on computer PSU?
<DocScrutinizer>
depends on the crap they used for "shielding" though, if any. And of course on your PCB and heatsinks
<GNUtoo>
ok
<GNUtoo>
anyway nowadays BIOSes have rootkit
<GNUtoo>
so...
<GNUtoo>
but again nothing prevent you from not running the BIOS]
<GNUtoo>
s#]##
<DocScrutinizer>
basically each microphoning MU metal sheet will detune the (parasitary) resonance circuits in PSU
<GNUtoo>
there is coreboot, lemote computers , embedded computer with a free botloader
<DocScrutinizer>
for mobile devices you don't need any GSM inside them - the ceramic capacitors will serve just fine for microphoning from PCB
<GNUtoo>
ok
<GNUtoo>
is there ceramic capacitors attached to the gta02 modem?
<GNUtoo>
*is there any
<DocScrutinizer>
guess what's happening to the 2MHz radiation of that kindle/whatever it creates from switched PSU for random power rail, when the buffer C is microphoning
<DocScrutinizer>
meh, you never dreamt of what's possible
<GNUtoo>
ouch
* GNUtoo
tried to run nutx-bb on the modem but failed
<whitequark>
wpwrak: aha tuxbrain replied. nice.
<wpwrak>
:)
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: you're rather paranoid, aren't you? (I understand you, through)
<whitequark>
can you give some examples on what do you consider "private life details"? country? street address? phone number? etc.
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<whitequark>
... everything?
<DocScrutinizer>
no, I'm not paranoid at all. I simply know what's (most likely, occasionally or frequently) going on, and I don't care anymore
<DocScrutinizer>
I don't disclose my addr, my marriage status, my age, my hobbies (except the obvious), my sexual orentation, my income, my phonenumber, my IP-addr, my... you name it
<viric>
like the story of the gnu person and the social security number
<viric>
that he kept it secret
<viric>
until some day, happened that all the people in his home town disclosed their numbers
<viric>
and the only one in the lists not disclosed was... his.
<DocScrutinizer>
silly story
<viric>
DocScrutinizer: by not disclosing you become suspicious
<viric>
You are the most suspicious in this channel for example
<GNUtoo>
yes
<GNUtoo>
I already heard that talk
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: nope, I took care to become suspicious long before disclosing privacy details became a teenage fools habit
<GNUtoo>
isn't it me that run coreboot, has a freerunner etc....
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: you should listen to Frank Zappa / Joe's Garage, all the way to end of last record
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: and by "disclosing" do you mean doing it publicly? i.e. your domain registrar probably wants your street address and phonenumber
<DocScrutinizer>
only by being suspicious you can live in peace
<whitequark>
at least my one does
<GNUtoo>
wan't it a talk by eben moglen
<wpwrak>
viric: sizing up the burial grounds your minions need for the great purge ? :)
<GNUtoo>
DocScrutinizer, that's not sufficient
<GNUtoo>
you need to be suspicious since you were born
<GNUtoo>
data retentions policies....
<GNUtoo>
so you cannot hide anymore
<whitequark>
^ that.
<GNUtoo>
because of what you did in the past
<whitequark>
also, not being a teenage fool at any point of your life helps, too
<DocScrutinizer>
nobody knows what I did in the past, I've spread so much red jerring stories
<wpwrak>
whitequark: live safe, die very young ? ;-)
<GNUtoo>
you were working at openmoko
<DocScrutinizer>
are you sure?
<GNUtoo>
(for what you did in the past)
<GNUtoo>
lol
<GNUtoo>
I really think so
<viric>
I never had the chance to check if I'm doing anything suspicious
<wpwrak>
viric: checking would be suspicious
<whitequark>
wpwrak: meh, I was talking about myself. social networks and stuff. my data still resides somewhere deep in their DC's, through most of it is not true already.
<wpwrak>
viric: "officer, you don't have an arrest warrant for me, do you ?"
<viric>
:)
<GNUtoo>
wpwrak, not needed anymore in USA
<GNUtoo>
you just need to be suspicious to be emprisoned
<GNUtoo>
and tortured
<GNUtoo>
and such
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: for that I got friends at police
<GNUtoo>
without a trial
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<DocScrutinizer>
and of course I got account credentials
<wpwrak>
GNUtoo: when the sheriff or the lynch mob pronounces you guilty, you damn well are
<viric>
of course. As politicians here say: First, social peace
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: do you use google search? then google probably knows your hobbies, your age (relatively precise), sexual orientation (same) and obviously IP address
<whitequark>
I wonder if that counts as "disclosing"?
* GNUtoo
prefers the ssherif
<DocScrutinizer>
whitequark: nope, they only *think* they know
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, do you know duck duck go?
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: yes
<GNUtoo>
ok
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: red herrings?
<GNUtoo>
it's not perfect tough
<GNUtoo>
ti could still spy on you
<GNUtoo>
*it
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: if everybody thinks they know you're having sex with ponies, does it matter if they really know ? ;-)
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: and I also use google maps on my android. because it's better to be tracked than to be lost and freeze to death. and I'm almost not kidding.
<GNUtoo>
I use navit
<GNUtoo>
it works quite well for me
<GNUtoo>
I don't know google maps
<whitequark>
(android) no google sync, through. except for maps and a few pieces of software I do relatively trust, I use only FOSS tools
<GNUtoo>
never really used
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, replicant?
<GNUtoo>
else you have non-free libs spying
<wpwrak>
whitequark: my GPS once gave me a merry trip around tampere in mid-winter. i only found the way back to my hotel once i had sobered up a bit and the gps had run out of batteries.
<GNUtoo>
like recording your position all the time trough cell ID etc....
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: google maps can route via public transport. I don't know if that does matter for your city, but it incredibly matters for Moscow and no other navigator I know can do that
<GNUtoo>
ok
<DocScrutinizer>
wpwrak: how did you find out about one of the at least 4 identities I created on google? :-D
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: (non-free libs) yes, there are some blobs. I consider that an acceptable risk, given that I already use GSM
<DocScrutinizer>
in fact google thinks 5 people living here, and we have parties all the time with a lot of *really* weird guests
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer: wolfgang told me ;-)
<whitequark>
I bet most of them (GPU acceleration, similar ones) do not spy on me. some clearly do, but hey it's gsm anyway. it's in its design
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: and then you say you're not paranoid and do not care. heh.
<GNUtoo>
a freerunner doen't spy that much
<GNUtoo>
for instance it cannot record what you say while not in call
<GNUtoo>
at least in theory
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: yes, I know, I looked at its schematics, etc
<DocScrutinizer>
whitequark: that's correct. All this is automatism since decades, and I'm not the least concerned about it
<GNUtoo>
ok
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, what bother me is if the modem can fry the phone or not
<DocScrutinizer>
now I have to feed my pony, ttyl
<GNUtoo>
you have to pown your powny?
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: frying is obvious and definitely not spying
<GNUtoo>
ok
<viric>
DocScrutinizer: anyone trying to spy you, would bring you to a mental hospital
<GNUtoo>
but it's a denial of service that is unacceptable to me
<DocScrutinizer>
rather him XP
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, so is it possible to fry the main CPU part etc... too
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: cut the power trace to GSM in two. connect an external switch :D
<viric>
DocScrutinizer, addicted to hiding.
<DocScrutinizer>
I met those who tried, man those were douschebags
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, or I could try again to make nuttx-bb
<GNUtoo>
work
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: (automatism) seriously, that's why I call you paranoid (semi-seriously, through). I don't know any people who do even half of what do you do in order to protect their privacy
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: nuttx-bb?
<GNUtoo>
I guess you know osmocombb
<GNUtoo>
to fully replace the GSM firmware you need an os-like thing for microcontrollers
<whitequark>
yes
<GNUtoo>
and that is nuttx
<whitequark>
ah, got it
<viric>
DocScrutinizer: depending on what are you trying to hide, spending that effort in hiding may not be the most efficient way to go through life. :)
<GNUtoo>
why using the word hide in the first place
<GNUtoo>
not disclosuring would be better
<wpwrak>
viric: just wait until you've seen Iron Sky ...
<GNUtoo>
because hide is negative
<viric>
GNUtoo: doing to google as if there were 5 guests at home can also be negative
<viric>
:)
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: just curious, can you still buy FR? does it community still live and deliver something usable?
<GNUtoo>
yes you can still buy it
<GNUtoo>
yes we're trying hard to keep it working fine
<GNUtoo>
and SHR is now more stable than before
<whitequark>
actually a friend can give me away one. he now owns an iPhone
<wpwrak>
viric: each of those 5 people will seem to have 1/5 life. that'll stick out in any profile :)
<GNUtoo>
I also know someone I could buy a second freerunner from
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: SHR?
<GNUtoo>
a new distro
<GNUtoo>
based on enlightenment, openembedded and finger friendly
<viric>
wpwrak: are you underestimating DocScrutinizer ? :)
<GNUtoo>
at least for the main apps
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: (replicant) Hardware Freedom issues:Proprietary bootloader,The modem controls the sound,the GPS,and can read/write the main CPU memory,require firmwares for making phone call
<viric>
I imagine people wrote algorithms to detect behaviours like DocScrutinizer's :)
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, depend on the phone
<GNUtoo>
nexus S has only proprietary bootloader
<whitequark>
I wonder if they do that on purpose, or just out of laziness (pin count issues? I don't know for sure)
<whitequark>
viric: it's enough to write an algorithm which detects ordinary people, and then closely examine everyone which does not conforms
<viric>
wpwrak: I took it from the main press
<wpwrak>
viric: yes, that one's the first source
<viric>
then there are people like DocScrutinizer that even get hired to look for that same kind of people :)
<GNUtoo>
maybe they just took tourist for terrorist
<GNUtoo>
like in I don't remember which james bond
<viric>
wpwrak: I don't get where did the officials pick the 'tweet' from
<GNUtoo>
anyway social networks are spied a lot
<viric>
GNUtoo: this happened to me
<GNUtoo>
what happened exactly?
<viric>
two black men, when I left work, asked me: what is this building?
<viric>
in bad english
<viric>
and I replied in English: "are you tourists"?
<viric>
and they said: no no no. No terrorists. Osama bin laden is dead.
<GNUtoo>
lol ouch
<GNUtoo>
did they get arrested?
<viric>
:D
<viric>
no no
<viric>
it was just them with a map, and me on the bike
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: nope, my behaviour isn't deterministic in whatever way, so no way to write an algo to track it
<viric>
DocScrutinizer: how can you be both paranoid and optimist? ;)
<DocScrutinizer>
basically they never got the link between 'me' and 'my digital identity'
<GNUtoo>
because maybe he's not paranoid
<GNUtoo>
he's realist
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: toldya I'm not at all paranoid
<GNUtoo>
paranoids is for people not knowing what the technology can do
<viric>
ok ok
<DocScrutinizer>
I just take fun out of fooling idiots that think they are smarter than me
<GNUtoo>
then there is the reality which is very bad
<viric>
It just looks to me that DocScrutinizer takes a reasonable effort in all that.
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: with all the "modem pwns your phone" stuff I don't see any sense in replicant. almost no actual advantage over plain AOSP
<viric>
DocScrutinizer: but maybe you are as used to that as I use my windowmanger... so...
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, plain aosp just doesn't work
<GNUtoo>
plain aosp don't give you the lib to talk to the samsung modem
<GNUtoo>
in the case of nexus S
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: by "plain AOSP" I meant CM
<GNUtoo>
same
<whitequark>
works on SGS2
<GNUtoo>
they don't reverse some stuff
<whitequark>
yes, I know--it's AOSP with blobs
<GNUtoo>
they reverse some other stuff tough
<GNUtoo>
like camera
<whitequark>
... because there are no blobs for ICS, yes
<GNUtoo>
but if they can't reverse they ship blpbs
<GNUtoo>
*blobs
<whitequark>
I know
<GNUtoo>
if we can't reverse we don't ship the blob
<GNUtoo>
anyway I'm more involved in SHR than replicant nowadays
<GNUtoo>
but there is a collaboration for reversing the samsung modems
<whitequark>
anyway, I am quite sure that if something is spying on you then it's something in the modem
<GNUtoo>
*samgung modems protocols/g/
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: can you confirm that?
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: (hiding) you thourgly got it wrong - I got nothing to hide, still I act like there was anything, then I lmao watching them trying to find out about what it actually is
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, it can be only the bootloader
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, we checked the schematics etc....
<whitequark>
GNUtoo, bootloader? hm
<GNUtoo>
the modem and the GPS are as isolated as the freerunner
<GNUtoo>
modem is trough shared internal memory, nothing to do with the ram, separate on die 64k
<GNUtoo>
the gps is attached to serial port
<GNUtoo>
the CODEC is controlled by the CPU
<GNUtoo>
etc...
<GNUtoo>
altough the default ril has stuff to put and get files on your device
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: once they come to think "dude, this guy actually is boring" I make them think that's catch22
<GNUtoo>
not implemented in replicant of course
<viric>
ok o
<viric>
k
<GNUtoo>
the main problem is the bootloader, it's signed but that can be defeated
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: (samsung modem) including SGS2? if yes, I can at least provide my phone as the testbench for them
<GNUtoo>
but I'm more interested by the freerunner with a calypso modem and a free bootloader
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: just one example: I love to negotiate plutonium deals on my phone, with friends that think alike
<DocScrutinizer>
preferably on international calls
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, basically the transport may be different but replicant developers are really interested on porting to galaxy S II
<GNUtoo>
so it should be real quick
<GNUtoo>
galaxy tab modem got done very quickely
<GNUtoo>
there is the init sequence to find trough strace
<whitequark>
GNUtoo, it's good -- I will write them. I don't have enough time myself, at least atm, but I can give them the hw. not a problem.
<GNUtoo>
and then to use the transport
<GNUtoo>
and then it's moslty done
<GNUtoo>
ok
<GNUtoo>
the main person doing that is paulk
<GNUtoo>
in #replicant
<DocScrutinizer>
viric: I'm so stinking suspicious I just *know* they never get a clue what I'm really doing
<viric>
:)
<GNUtoo>
whitequark, thanks a lot in advance
<viric>
that looks funnier :)
<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer: huh, I like this strategy
<viric>
well, as you know, it's enough to be suspicious to be treated as a criminal
<whitequark>
what country do you live in? do you think you risk suddenly being in a situation alike with that Monroe-digging-tweet?
<whitequark>
GNUtoo: replicant mailman is dead
<GNUtoo>
really?
<GNUtoo>
maybe because of DNS change
<GNUtoo>
we switched from trac to another thing
<GNUtoo>
the same than gnuradio
<GNUtoo>
I don't remember the name
<viric>
whitequark: no no, in my country that would not matter. The key terms are others
<GNUtoo>
ah the old trac is still in place
<GNUtoo>
at least here
<whitequark>
viric: I asked DocScrutinizer btw
<viric>
:) ok
<viric>
ok, have a good night all!
<larsc>
"being paranoid doesn't mean they aren't after you" ;)
<larsc>
kind find either why it would do that
<larsc>
ah
<larsc>
-ENOCHAN
<wpwrak>
considering that, if the matrix is possible, we probably live in one, it seems only plausible to assume that those who set up our matrix take some interest in what happens here
<wpwrak>
this means that joerg's feeble attempts at privacy are quite useless
<wpwrak>
also, whatever he tries to escape, even if it should turn out to be successful, can probably be easily reverted, and appropriate stimuli can be placed at the restart point, to obtain the desired outcome
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<wpwrak>
the same applies to the rest of us as well, of course
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