<roh>
seems they added a level shifter for jtag and one for rs232 levels
<roh>
similar to the moko board, but less specific. quite nice design. and cheap. still not fully open but who cares for such details which are obvious ;)
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<wpwrak>
Luke-Jr: maybe you need to get a better soldering iron. oh, and when working with smt and such, always apply plenty of flux. that's the magic ingredient that makes things work properly.
<wpwrak>
so wouldn't go much smaller than that, though. the contact spacing of the chips is 0.5 mm, the resistors and such have 0402 packages.
<Luke-Jr>
wpwrak: maybe. the one I use is from the 1970s
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<wpwrak>
you may want to get something a little more modern :) doesn't have to be too fancy. but temperature-controlled is nice. also allows you to adjust the heat. e.g., ~270 C for regular work, more if you have large metal pieces involved
<Luke-Jr>
wpwrak: but I wouldn't know what to adjust it to :/
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<rozzin1>
Have any of you ever tried using a NanoNote w/ the µSD Wi-Fi adapter as an acess-point?
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<sanderr_>
rozzin1: No, but I think I should. :)
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<kyak>
guys, what's the difference between 'man 2 recv' and 'man 3 recv'?
<kyak>
i understand that 2 is Linux programmer's manual, and 3 is POSIX's
<kyak>
but why would i refer to POSIX programmer's manual anyway?
<kyak>
it clearly states that "implementation of this interface may differ from Linux or may not be implemented in Linux."
<kyak>
so what's the point of 'man 3 recv'?
<whitequark>
because you may be trying to write portable code
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<kyak>
but how it is portable, if implementation may differ from Linux or not implemented at all?
<whitequark>
well, portable code adheres to POSIX
<whitequark>
so if you only follow the POSIX manual and do not use anything that is not included there, your code will be portable
<whitequark>
in theory at least :)
<kyak>
it doesn't say that POSIX is a subset of Linux
<rozzin1>
There's plenty in section 3 that's either Linux-specific or GNU-specific.
<whitequark>
oh I see
<larsc>
whitequark: man man
<whitequark>
it's confusing
<rozzin1>
If you specifically want the *POSIX* manual for library calls, you need to look in section 3p.
<rozzin1>
Some of the pages in 3 are `inherited' from 3p where there's no reason to have a GNU- or Linux-specific page.
<whitequark>
I see
<whitequark>
thanks for explanation
<whitequark>
larsc: that also doesn't mention 3p :p
<rozzin1>
The 2-vs-3 `kernel vs. library' distinction is much clearer in some man pages than others, e.g.:
<wpwrak>
the 2/3 distinction isn't all that useful, except maybe if you're developing a libc. and then i wouldn't be so sure whether 2/3 follows the actual implementation or just history
<wpwrak>
for compatibility, you really need to look at what the man page says. there are also many extensions that go beyond posix. and of course, no all man page tell the whole truth :)
<rozzin1>
Hrm. I'm actually having a hard time finding a good 2/3 example.
<whitequark>
rozzin1: :D
<rozzin1>
I had one just the other day, though--I swear :p
<wpwrak>
so if you really want to be sure, you start from the official posix documentation
<rozzin1>
It's easier to find 3/3p examples, like "man 3 basename" vs. "man 3p basename".
<whitequark>
you know how I feel about this? (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻
<rozzin1>
I work with a bunch of people who build on Mac OS.
<wpwrak>
that looked a little odd. where those three faces ?
<larsc>
I don't even have 3p
<larsc>
wpwrak: one face and a table
<larsc>
don't you do unicode?
<whitequark>
wpwrak: "table flip"
<whitequark>
the ╯︵ is his left hand and a "swoosh", ┻━┻ is an upside-down table
<whitequark>
by itself, flipping table is an iconic symbol in Japanese media, much like facepalm is for Western one
<whitequark>
(why do I even know all that stuff)
<wpwrak>
i see the table. but what's supposed to be the face doesn't look very face-ish. maybe i don't have the right cyrillic fonts installed :)
<rozzin1>
sanderr_: If you can try it, I'd be really interested it knowing if NanoNote works as an access-point. I'm looking for an `extensible Wi-Fi AP' platform, right now.
<wpwrak>
so the japanese flip tables ? interesting. and i thought certainly M$ guys throwing chairs were bad.
<whitequark>
no chairs :D
<wpwrak>
hmm, that looks actually what i got. i guess i need face recognition 2.0 :)
<whitequark>
heh
<whitequark>
╯ are his raised hands, ° are eyes, and □ is the mouth
<whitequark>
it's really a completely different style of writing emoticons
<larsc>
there is also the reverse one: ┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)
<wpwrak>
cheek-hand-eye-mouth-cheek-hand-arm. a bit surrealist
<wpwrak>
ah, the ノ( º _ ºノ) could be hair-cheek-eye-mouth-eye-hair-cheek. that works.
<whitequark>
wpwrak: now that you mention it...
<whitequark>
(and yes it's not hairs, it's arms)
<wpwrak>
strange anatomy :)
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<larsc>
well it's contrast to the minimalistic ':)'
<whitequark>
wpwrak: i think it's an attempt to convey perspective
<whitequark>
as in, he stands 45° wrt/ you
<whitequark>
think isometric
<larsc>
the '︵' are movement stripes btw
<larsc>
to show that the table is moving fast
<wpwrak>
ah. i begin to see it. still kinda strange that the arms would be attached to the head, but yes, there is a "piggy throwing table" pattern tehre