<nicksydney>
just need bit of touch up with sharpie...hope can get the ingredients today so i can etch it :)
<wpwrak_>
yeah. looks fairly reasonable. a bit more ironing and it would have been perfect.
<wpwrak_>
and yes, the remaining imperfections are fixable
<nicksydney>
the question now is...what will happen after etching is done :)
<nicksydney>
need to find window$ machine first to flash the bootloader into the freedom board that i got
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<nicksydney>
wpwrak_: i was looking through Freescale that anelok is using but i can't find any footprints information..how did you create the footprint in kicad ?
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<nicksydney>
wpwrak: got the peroxide but didn't get the hcl
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: looks like another weekend etching for me :)
<nicksydney>
wpwrak: the peroxide got 6% instead of 3%
<wpwrak>
very good
<nicksydney>
i was looking through Freescale that anelok is using but i can't find any footprints information..how did you create the footprint in kicad ?
<wpwrak>
these days of waiting will be hard on you ;-)
<whitequark>
totally
<whitequark>
the other thing that was hard was the realization that the remailer is going to charge me about $300 for that package
<whitequark>
I suddenly feel like dealing with customs
<wpwrak>
hmm. mill is USD 500, shipping USD 400, remailing USD 300, ... so customs will be USD 200 ? :)
<whitequark>
no, free shipping
<whitequark>
and remailing is slightly more efficient since I could bundle packages from several other US-only vendors there as well
<whitequark>
it still sucks...
<wpwrak>
ah, so that's what you need the remailer for - to get that US-domestic free shipping
<whitequark>
not quite (though that comes up as a bonus)
<whitequark>
remailer does three things, mainly. first it allows me to work with vendors who only send to US
<whitequark>
second it ensures quick (compared to EMS) delivery of intact packages (unlike EMS)
<whitequark>
third they do the customs dance
<whitequark>
$300 is their complete price, there won't be anything on top of that
<wpwrak>
hmm, sounds like a courier service. except of course for the US domestic part
<whitequark>
that's pretty much it
<whitequark>
well, that's not only US. they have warehouses in US, UK, DE and CN
<wpwrak>
still sounds a bit like a courier :) except that courier can't predict customs charges
<whitequark>
I believe the charges for these kinds of packages (they explicitly disallow bulk ones) are based on a percentage of cost and a flat rate on weight
<whitequark>
so it's trivial to predict them
<whitequark>
so, yes, it's a specialized courier service for ecommerce
<wpwrak>
cost would still be the value your customs assess. they can decide not to believe the declared value.
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<whitequark>
right
<whitequark>
hopefully that does not happen :]
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<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: btw, Chromium has the cookie blocking behavior you want, pretty much
<whitequark>
you can block all of them, it shows a tiny icon with a list of cookies, and you can click Allow for the ones you want.
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<DocScrutinizer05>
cool
<DocScrutinizer05>
now if only I knew why I feel nausea when reading Chromium
<DocScrutinizer05>
and God kill the Russian customs
<DocScrutinizer05>
ask PaulFertser
<DocScrutinizer05>
and those remailers or custom managers are even worse it seems, leagilzing bribery and charging twice for it being "legal"
<DocScrutinizer05>
legalizing even
<DocScrutinizer05>
iirc they asked 100..200EUR (equiv) from Paul for a N900 sent to him for a free development device, directly from Nokia
<wpwrak>
customs fees are a function of the value, not of how much you paid
<DocScrutinizer05>
in lime with the percentage of original goods value they try to charge you for handling that mill
<DocScrutinizer05>
in line*
<wpwrak>
but if you're suggesting to simply abandon customs worldwide, them i'm all for it :)
<larsc>
how about taxes on ip packets ;)
<larsc>
whenever you send a packet you have to declare its value
<wpwrak>
you should propose that to ITU, that's where all the .gov folks hang out
<larsc>
I should create an implementation first and then license the implementation for a minor percentage of the taxes ;)
<wpwrak>
i think the insider term for this is "patent"
<larsc>
"A Method for Taxation of Digital Goods"
<wpwrak>
perfect
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<whitequark>
DocScrutinizer05: yes I'm slowly coming to same conclusion
<whitequark>
really the question is what I can do
<whitequark>
*can I
<wpwrak>
whitequark: make some friends at the airlines
<DocScrutinizer05>
have it sent to some Poland friend and that friend transports it by train to Moscow
<DocScrutinizer05>
customs at train are so busy with searching for cigarettes and other weird stuff, and probably have NFC about such a weird machine
<whitequark>
that would really cost about the same, unless I know someone who travels often
<whitequark>
and I don't think I do
<DocScrutinizer05>
anyway guess why Russia is missing on the dropdown for destinations in GTA04-Neo900 order page
<whitequark>
I could also view this as universe motivating me to relocate in some nicer country
<DocScrutinizer05>
I really wonder how a single company in russia can operate and earn money
<whitequark>
that I can tell you
<DocScrutinizer05>
relatives?
<whitequark>
everyone, and by that I mean literally everyone, if they're not a multinational corporation, evades taxes
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<wpwrak>
whitequark: and with all the money you save on takes, even you don't have any income, you get rich ?
<whitequark>
wpwrak: I wouldn't say rich
<whitequark>
I don't know anyone who would qualify as rich, and that would probably be more complex than that
<whitequark>
it's more of a day-to-day business thing
<whitequark>
either you officially pay your employees minimum wage, or you pay taxes and immediately go broke
<whitequark>
for reference, minimum wage here is about $100/month
<larsc>
and the state makes its money by selling oil?
<whitequark>
mainly a bunch of thieves ruling the state, but yes
<whitequark>
quality of life of people in big cities improves quite a bit due to oil money, too
<whitequark>
in relative terms that's an almost nonexistent slice of it, but in absolute ones it's a rather significant raise
<whitequark>
compared to what could be
<whitequark>
fun fact: there's about eighty fracking companies drilling right now under europe
<larsc>
from russia?
<whitequark>
no, USA, Israel and others
<larsc>
or a unrelated fun fact?
<whitequark>
it's kinda related
<whitequark>
see, the quantities of shale under europe are *enormous*
<whitequark>
our biggest (and hardest to use) deposit under Barents Sea is a dwarf by comparison
<whitequark>
(it's not even mined because it's so hard to reach)
<whitequark>
so there's an opinion that in very very near future, perhaps less than a year, europe's dependency on russian gas would significantly or completely disappear
<whitequark>
*quantities of shale gas under europe
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<wpwrak>
just wait for the more interesting returns of fracking ...
<whitequark>
if that happens, and I'm inclined to believe that it will, the regime will topple. however that would mean much worse things to ordinary people
<whitequark>
(more interesting returns) from what I can see, fracking, when done right, is a sufficiently safe technology
<whitequark>
so if europe gets their shit together and enforces regulations properly... good for them?
<whitequark>
I can explain the parts Google screwed up...
<DocScrutinizer05>
fracking is like nuclear power. Instant ROI, infinite waste disposal to *eventually* surface inevitably
<wpwrak>
from what i've read, it's kinda impossible to "do right". you have to pump that hasty chemical cocktail down, and 1) you only have limited control over what comes up again, and 2) something like half your chemicals are simply lost
<wpwrak>
DocScrutinizer05: i'd like to think of it as the equivalent of dynamite fishing with nukes
<whitequark>
wpwrak: what I gather is that currently fracking companies often just dump whatever they have extracted from the well on surface
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<wpwrak>
of course. they're not there to hug trees :)
<whitequark>
which is NOT how it should be done. yes, cleaning several Mt of water sucks, but it's not even going to put a dent in your profit
<whitequark>
maybe Kt
<wpwrak>
oh, don't underestimate that. there's a lot that comes up and you also need to store it for treatment and such. there's a lot that can go wrong.
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<whitequark>
that is true. what I mean is that the technology for doing it cleanly exists and can be applied
<whitequark>
but too often it is simply not
<DocScrutinizer05>
meh, that shit stays down there
<wpwrak>
and no everything comes up where you're ready to receive it
<DocScrutinizer05>
until it comes up with water or whatever
<DocScrutinizer05>
wherever
<whitequark>
isn't the whole point of fracking to reach under a layer of water-impermeable rock?
<wpwrak>
as if there was such a thing ;-)
<whitequark>
often kilometers deep. all the aquifiers are waaaay above
<whitequark>
wpwrak: geology says there is :p
<wpwrak>
if if it was as good as impermeable, by pinching it and worrying what's there out, you rupture that barrier
<wpwrak>
#s/if if/even if/
<wpwrak>
the mixing will happen. don't worry about that :)
<whitequark>
in 500 My photosynthesis will cease anyway
<whitequark>
so we only need to ensure it stays there for next 500 My :p
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<wpwrak>
i was kinda wondering what "your photosynthesis" would be .. :)
<whitequark>
millions of years :p
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