08:37 <snusnu> hey dkubb

08:37 <dkubb> snusnu: good morning

08:38 <snusnu> dkubb: how's it going? it's been a while :)

08:40 <dkubb> yeah, it's going pretty good

08:40 <dkubb> working lots. mbj and I have been working together on a work project for a few months

08:41 <snusnu> that's great to hear! for me, things are a bit more relaxed, i'm travelling since end of january, altho i'm actually working my usual hours

08:45 <snusnu> btw, if you're interested in an "alternative" rom, have a look at https://github.com/snusnu/mom and https://github.com/snusnu/ramom

08:45 <snusnu> the integration specs in both projects should give you a nice overview of the API

08:46 <snusnu> and they're only 2 files ;)

08:48 <snusnu> ramom's focus is to expose a set of external and internal, context aware relations that are completely composable

08:48 <snusnu> external ones being accessible to clients (i.e. public methods client code can call), internal ones being used only for composing other relations (private methods)

08:50 <snusnu> an app built with it (ours) typically defines *all* relations upfront, and in action code (read views for now) a reader is obtained for any of the external relations, which exposes only #one or #read (to extract one tuple, or to iterate over a relation)

08:51 <snusnu> the motivation and design hugely stems from "relations as first class citizens" and the "out of the tarpit" paper

08:51 <snusnu> anyways, i'd be curious to hear your thoughts about it, should you (or anyone else) find the time to look through the code

08:52 <snusnu> eventually, i'll add a readme of course ...

09:05 <snusnu> one more thing's worth mentioning: ramom can integrate smoothly with an app that uses DM1 (for migrations, plugins, and write ops)

09:05 <snusnu> all base relations, keys and foreign keys can be inferred from DataMapper::Model.descendants

09:49 <dkubb> cool, I'll check it out

09:49 <dkubb> snusnu1: did you build an app with this?

09:50 <dkubb> heh, when I read mom I thought it said "Martin's Object Mapper"