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15:28 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] I have a Customer class with :name, etc. instance variables and a Order class with :id, :customer_name. How do I let the new_order = Order.new grab the customer from the Customer class?

15:28 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] Usually this is done with foreign keys in a DB. I'm trying to learn by building a standalone ruby program.

15:31 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] _orangejuice: :foo is a symbol, not an instance variable. @foo is an instance variable.

15:31 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] I meant attr_accessor :name, :email

15:31 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] "the customer from the Customer class" makes no sense to me. did you mean the name?

15:32 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] otherwise: Customer.new gives you a customer instance.

15:32 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] Yes a reference of the who the customer is for that order.

15:32 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] not sure where the db comes in either - unless you leave out massive amounts of context…

15:33 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] well, you'd probably either pass it in in the constructor, or you'd have an accessor

15:33 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] class Order; def initialize(customer); @customer = customer; end; end; order = Order.new(Customer.new)

15:34 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] Thats what I was trying to understand.

15:35 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] That makes sense. For Order.new can I already access instance variables for an existing Customer instance?

15:36 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] *from an existing customer instance

15:36 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] Sorry If I'm not articulating correctly.

15:37 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] you can access their accessors (methods)

15:37 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] you can't access ivars from "outside" in ruby (which is why you have to define accessors, or write that kind of methods yourself)

15:37 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] nb, `attr_accessor :foo` is equivalent to `def foo; return @foo; end; def foo=(value); @foo = value; end`

15:38 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] i.e., it just defines two methods for you.

15:40 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] Ok. I misunderstood them as variables. That makes sense. So how does one create a bunch of customers (objects). Then later if one wants to create an order from the existing customers.

15:41 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] customer = Customer.new; order = Order.new(customer)

15:42 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] I understand attr_accessor :name, :email are getter and setter methods

15:42 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] yes, defines #name(), #name=(value), #email and #email=(value) methods which set and read @name and @email

15:43 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] That seems straightforward. What memory is that customer stored it? Thats why I bought up databases.

15:43 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] Thank you apeiros. I appreciate you mapping your answer to my problem.

15:44 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] variables are ram

15:45 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] if you want to persist the data, you need some kind of serialization in order to store your objects to a file or a db (which in the end will be a file / files too)

15:49 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] I see. Very cool. This makes a lot of sense. So in a typical web form, I'll collect/parse customer data, store it in a local variable, then database. For a order, grab customer data stuff from the database, since my local variables are clueless?

15:51 <zzak> [apeiros, irc.freenode.net] yes, in a typical web-app you'll use a db for persistency and populate your variables from that and/or from the form input

15:51 <zzak> [Sukh, irc.freenode.net] :) Thank you apeiros

15:51 <zzak> [Mariano, irc.freenode.net] hi all. I'm having an odd problem with pry and requiring many files by iterating them. When I start pry and run the require line manually, the require is made correctly. But if i comment out the pry call and just run the code, the require doesn't seem to work. If anyone can give me a hand, i will provide a gist. Thank you all in advance.