apeiros_ changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.0; 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<darix> ironcamel: and probably all those people who used perl for their apps which can be exploited are to be blamed too.
<darix> like the bugzilla team
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<darix> the CGI list behavior is just broken :)
<ironcamel> i couldn't watch it long enough to get to the CGI part. the CGI module is frowned upon by the perl community. almost no one uses it anymore.
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<darix> ironcamel: right ;)
<darix> ironcamel: and DBI is probably also an unused module.
<darix> you should at least watch until he comes to the CGI and DBI examples to judge the talk.
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<darix> ironcamel: it is still there. it is still heavily used by a lot of existing apps.
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<darix> and probably people write new scripts based on CGI.pm every day
<ironcamel> when a speaker begins his talk with "fuck perl", i have no desire to listen to much of what he has to say
<ironcamel> yeah, there are a lot of incompetent programmers
<ironcamel> no competent perl programmer would start a new project using CGI.pm
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<darix> http://perldoc.perl.org/CGI.html - doesnt mention deprecated. doesnt tell people about better alternatives.
<darix> but blame the user of the language instead of fixing it. :)
<ironcamel> it's no longer in the core
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<darix> ah well. since this year ;)
<darix> anyway
<darix> if you dont want to learn from the video fine by me. :)
<darix> have fun
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<ljarvis> morn
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<yorickpeterse> Fun problem of the day: we have a "connection" relation
<yorickpeterse> and AR <= 4.2 defines its own "connection" method
<yorickpeterse> which delegates to class.connection
<yorickpeterse> which then fucks up everything
<yorickpeterse> which has been deprecated but not removed yet :<
<matti> Ohai yorickpeterse
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<yorickpeterse> hai
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<[spoiler]> Guys do you know of a way to stop `ruby ./minirake` inside of mruby from building all those additional binaries (like mirb, etc). Some of them fail because they try to link against i686 libs which aren't installed :/
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<[spoiler]> And it's a x86_68 system, I'm cross-building for 32bit
<[spoiler]> actually mayve there's a clue inside of minirake
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<jds> Hmph. My rails app on 2.2 is consuming twice as much memory as on 2.1. That's not normal...right?
<ddfreyne> Is there a Ruby 2.0 end-of-life date?
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<pepperbreath> there is no info about it. https://www.ruby-lang.org/en/news/2014/
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<ljarvis> jds: one would assume not
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<yorickpeterse> Renewing SSL certificates: attempt #2
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<yorickpeterse> already fucked up the first time by adding a challenge to the CSR
<yorickpeterse> which AWS doesn't support
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<yorickpeterse> I concur
<ljarvis> aye
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<yorickpeterse> There, SSL done
<yorickpeterse> That only took well over an hour
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<jds> Can I find a list of objects that reference a given object?
<jds> For GC-debugging purposes?
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<yorickpeterse> jds: You can do it the other way around: find whatever an object references
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<yorickpeterse> require 'objspace'; ObjectSpace.reachable_objects_from(some_object)
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<jds> I'll give it a try, thanks
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<yorickpeterse> well
<yorickpeterse> I am the only one left at the office
<yorickpeterse> I guess I gotta tape people's mouses now
<yorickpeterse> or fart on their chairs
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<red_menace> yorickpeterse: massive quantities of foam peanuts and creative rearranging of the office partitions are also good
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<headius> may be of interest
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<lapide_viridi> yorickpeterse, you once told me you used an IRC client with a detachable frontend. Was that perhaps Smuxi?
<lapide_viridi> Or anyone else, for that matter. Can you recommend it? Hexchat works, but I don't like the looks of it. Also, I'd like to try a detachable one.
<|jemc|> lapide_viridi: I believe yorickpeterse uses weechat (as do I)
<|jemc|> I use dtach to detach from it
<|jemc|> I think he might use tmux
<lapide_viridi> Perhaps true. We had a discussion on it a few weeks back.
<lapide_viridi> I just tried Pidgin, so I could add Facebook. The result was not very satisfying.
<|jemc|> weechat is nice, if you want an in-terminal IRC client
<surrounder> android client through weechat-proxy is awesome too
<waxjar> do you mean znc lapide_viridi?
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<lapide_viridi> waxjar, znc?
<surrounder> especially since you can easily tunnel through ssh
<|jemc|> I use a docker container of weechat run on a VPS
<waxjar> lapide_viridi: it's sort of an irc proxy, you connect to it from your normal client but it keeps the connection open for you
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<surrounder> waxjar: weechat can do that too, somewhat
<surrounder> at least that's how the android client works
<lapide_viridi> In terminal sounds like a bit of fun. I'm gonna look at it, but I don't think I'll take that one for now.
<lapide_viridi> surrounder, don't tell me you use IRC on your phone.
<TheMoonMaster> znc is great
<surrounder> sometimes, when I had to use (irssi)connect bot it was a little annoying but with the weechat-client it's quite comfy when I'm bored somewhere
<TheMoonMaster> Much better than using SSH to get to your client
<surrounder> indeed
<headius> lapide_viridi: I use znc on an EC2 micro as my bounce, and then any client works
<headius> costs me like $4 a month to run that instance
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<headius> also use it for proxying connections on occasion
<lapide_viridi> Until now, my setup has been HexChat in my Google Drive folder.
<lapide_viridi> Guess it works, but I like to challenge myself with something new, although I don't like new stuff.
<surrounder> it's nicer to have it running somewhere all the time imho
<headius> yeah for sure
<headius> I get all offline messages when I connect back in, and I'm just using a boring OS X GUI client
<headius> works great
<surrounder> aye, znc is nice
<lapide_viridi> That's what I figured too.
<lapide_viridi> But I don't think I'll kill myself with something advanced quite yet.
<surrounder> don't use it anymore because the weechat proxy is good enough for me now but I used it quite some while when I was experimenting with clients
<surrounder> lapide_viridi: well if you can manage in a terminal somewhat something like irssi or weechat isn't that hard really
<waxjar> the nice thing about znc (and probably other irc bouncers) is that you can connect to the same session from multiple places
<waxjar> no more lapide_viridi____ :P
<surrounder> :)
<lapide_viridi> Smuxi also lets me send messages trough Facebook, which can be handy sometimes. At least, that is my hypothesis.
<lapide_viridi> surrounder, fraks to it, I need a link.
<surrounder> to what exactly ?
<lapide_viridi> Weechat and dtach it was?
<lapide_viridi> Or znc?
<lapide_viridi> surrounder, the thing you recommended
<surrounder> I personally use weechat, tmux (when I'm behind a keyboard) and weechat-proxy and a tunnel from my android phone
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<surrounder> weechat and the proxy run on a vps
<surrounder> within tmux
<lapide_viridi> Weechat, I'll add it to my bookmarks for future reference.
<lapide_viridi> Yup, thanks.
<|jemc|> (if you don't mind using docker)
<surrounder> lapide_viridi: screen/tmux to attack and dettach (I have no experience with dtach)
<surrounder> lol, *attach
<lapide_viridi> Everything must be more elegant that getting a package from portableapps.com and slapping it in my Google Drive.
<waxjar> surrounder: is weechat-proxy a standalone program?
<surrounder> no, it's part of weechat
<surrounder> and the client on the phone can tunnel through ssh so quite secure
<lapide_viridi> Next problem will be convincing the IT-folks at school to let me use it.
<lapide_viridi> They know me quite well already.
<waxjar> you might be able to run it over port 80 lapide_viridi :p
<lapide_viridi> waxjar, haha
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<surrounder> lapide_viridi: why? run it on a machine elsewhere and tunnel
<headius> lapide_viridi: znc was super easy to set up
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<lapide_viridi> School formed a special IT-class in collaboration with the local firms, who wanted to play a bigger role in hour education.
<lapide_viridi> Bottom line: The IT-folks did not want to give us admin rights, which are quite necessary.
<lapide_viridi> Just opening port 80 for some collaboration on WordPress was a spectacle from another world.
<surrounder> lapide_viridi: just a quick google but look at for example : http://www.foxhop.net/ssh-tunnel
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<lapide_viridi> Oh, that app looked quite nice! Too bad I will never use that on my phone. Tables perhaps.
<lapide_viridi> *tablets
<surrounder> lapide_viridi: works great on a tablet too :)
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<lapide_viridi> SSH-tunnel looks great!
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<lapide_viridi> I already convinced them to get me Putty for the Raspberry Pis we got.
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<surrounder> nice :)
<lapide_viridi> Also, it might add up perfectly with my master plan.
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<lapide_viridi> I'm sick and tired of the local firms taking initiative, but the schools IT-team opposing the entire idea. SO from now on, I run Ubuntu from a flash drive.
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<surrounder> always an option indeed
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<darix> lapide_viridi: JFYI: putty can do port forwardings too
<darix> lapide_viridi: and juicessh for android is nice
<pipework> ^troof
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<[spoiler]> Does anyone know of a good mruby guide and/or API documentation?
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<[spoiler]> I've read Aimonetti's intro, but... ME WANTS MORE
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<lapide_viridi> darix, what do you mean? Can Putty open up a port, or be used trough port forwarding? Or something in that manner?
<darix> lapide_viridi: yes
<pipework> lapide_viridi: Putty's main feature is that it opens ports. :p But yes, you can bind ports with putty.
<pipework> port forwarding and other fun port binding stuff.
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<lapide_viridi> Well, that certainly is the first web dev I've hear of, who hasn't done any port forwarding before.
<lapide_viridi> Article was great though, so thanks.
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<lapide_viridi> So, basically yhis would enable me to tunnel IRC (if it were blocked) trough and SSL connection.
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<darix> lapide_viridi: through ssh
<darix> but yes
<darix> lapide_viridi: but if you have working ssh
<darix> you could just do screen/tmux + irssi/weechat :)
<lapide_viridi> Frak, why do I always write SSL?
<lapide_viridi> Could I use it for something else too? Like browsing webpages which would normally be blocked?
<lapide_viridi> Say, tunnel port 80 trough the SSH (NAILED IT) server?
<darix> lapide_viridi: sure
<lapide_viridi> I can use my Raspberry as SSH server. I've got PuTTY setup already.
<darix> lapide_viridi: but i would do a proxy like squid or so on the outside machine
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<darix> lapide_viridi: put a small proxy on the rpi
<darix> then configure the local browser to use the forwarded port as proxy
<darix> done
<lapide_viridi> Practically, what would be the difference?
<darix> lapide_viridi: if you just forward the port for 1 webserver
<darix> you would also need to fake hosts entries to make named virtual hosts work
<darix> but if only 1 app is running on the webserver it would work
<lapide_viridi> Interesting.
<lapide_viridi> That would enable me to view blocked websites?
<darix> the proxy
<darix> yes
<lapide_viridi> Now I almost wish the blocking was more strict!
<lapide_viridi> Too bad the setting for configuring proxy servers is blocked in IE.
<lapide_viridi> Which, in turn, nobody uses, except for some sorry teachers.
<darix> well
<darix> in schools you would use proxy autoconfiguration
<darix> so the browser loads the config from some central place
<lapide_viridi> darix, I'm going to do this, just for fun.
<lapide_viridi> The one thing I don't get is how the pages are blocked/not blocked.
<lapide_viridi> Is the schools proxy set up to deny certain requests to certain domains?
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<lapide_viridi> Or is the data being checked, so the proxy would need to encrypt it?
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<[spoiler]> e.e
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<[spoiler]> ok good thing is that mruby seems to have a very similar API as ruby does (lol big surprise there)
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