#ruby-lang on 2014-12-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

2014-11-13 14:57 apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com

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00:02 <pweids> hey, what does :'gal.' in Measurement.define(:'gal.') mean? I don't get the mixed symbol and string syntax here

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00:02 <ljarvis> pweids: it's a symbol but the period isn't valid symbol syntax

00:03 <ljarvis> so you can do stuff like :"foo-bar@baz"

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00:03 <pweids> I was playing around with in in irb with something like s = :"gal." and the value of s included the period

00:04 <ljarvis> yep

00:04 <ljarvis> it's still a symbol

00:04 <ljarvis> >> :"foo" == :foo

00:04 <eval-in__> ljarvis => true (https://eval.in/231653)

00:05 <pweids> oooh

00:05 <ljarvis> but :foo. would obs be a syntax error

00:05 <havenwood> >> %i[foo. bar@] == [:'foo.', :'bar@']

00:05 <eval-in__> havenwood => true (https://eval.in/231654)

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00:06 <ljarvis> yeah %i is nice for that

00:06 <havenwood> >> %i[\t \n \s]

00:06 <eval-in__> havenwood => [:"\\t", :"\\n", :"\\s"] (https://eval.in/231655)

00:07 <havenwood> essentials like ^ >.>

00:07 <pweids> cool. thanks guys

00:07 <havenwood> err, meant to %I

00:07 <havenwood> left shift key broken is such a bother

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03:17 <ruby-lang330> I have a simple question. If I do something like "rescue Errno::EACCES" or something, is there a way to get the error code (eg 13) from it?

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03:35 <|jemc|> >> Errno::EACCES::Errno

03:35 <eval-in__> |jemc| => 13 (https://eval.in/231661)

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04:03 <cout> hmm.. https://gist.github.com/cout/5faff209b06e9b7c8476

04:06 <|jemc|> cout: constants are lexically scoped

04:07 <cout> yeah I remember when matz made that change

04:07 <cout> I guess it makes sense

04:08 <cout> not sure how to put it into words

04:08 <cout> is there any way to get the block case to behave like the string case?

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04:11 <|jemc|> heh, if you're using Rubinius, there is

04:11 <|jemc|> in actual standard ruby API, not sure

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04:17 <cout> with ruby-internal I think I could unbind the proc and rebind it to a different binding, but I'm hoping to avoid such black magic

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05:13 <felipebalbi> hi, trying to use thor to add a few lines to specific places in a file

05:13 <felipebalbi> I have it (almost) working

05:14 <felipebalbi> is there a way to tell inject_into_file to indent the lines I insert with the same amount of spaces (or tabs) as the line before (or after) my strings ?

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10:40 <catdog_> What kind of gem or hashing algorithm do you use for basic two-way encryption/decryption?

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12:25 <chinmay_dd_> Hello guys, need some help. I am trying to solve a problem for which i already have a c++ code. I am trying to convert it to Ruby. But on submission to the online judge the C++ code passes but Ruby one is giving me Non Zero Exit code. Can someone help me out ? Thanks! C++ code - https://gist.github.com/chinmaydd/fcd3cfa9d15e6288c489 Ruby Code - https://gist.github.com/chinmaydd/bd44682ab0e66f22a5b2

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12:33 <apeiros> chinmay_dd_: `continue` is not ruby

12:33 <apeiros> did you mean `next`?

12:33 <chinmay_dd_> apeiros, oh god! Thanks a lot :) That may be it

12:33 <apeiros> chinmay_dd_: also do not chain bang methods

12:33 <apeiros> most core bang methods return nil if there was no change

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12:34 <chinmay_dd_> apeiros, oh okay. Thanks !

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13:20 <seewhyaneyesee> Hi can someone help me with threading?

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13:20 <imperator> ABANDON ALL HOPE

13:21 <imperator> but, go ahead and paste your issue, you never know

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13:22 <seewhyaneyesee> http://pastebin.com/yCkqiR4M

13:23 <seewhyaneyesee> Sorry for late reply, it's dinner time here.

13:24 <seewhyaneyesee> I'm trying to create a clock on a cmd shell and at the same time I'm trying to do other things which requires printing output but when I do it clock runs mad

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13:27 <seewhyaneyesee> hello?

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13:58 <[spoiler]> What do you mean it runs mad?

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13:59 <[spoiler]> Does it grab an axe, starts to yell "oy, gimme your headers! I'm hungry" and chases after application sources?

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14:09 <[spoiler]> o

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15:34 <nofxx__> Which is 'the moment' fw for ios/android? From someone played only with ruboto?

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15:53 <fingerco> Hello, I'm working with a PHP project and using Traits as a sort of stand-in for Multiple Inheritance. I have stumbled into what I consider to be a major downside. I was wondering if Ruby had any methods in place to directly solve this issue.

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15:54 <fingerco> I would like to create Methods and Properties in a Module that will remain hidden from any classes that extend or include that Module. I would like to do this for implementation details so that they are not accidentally overwritten by other modules that may be included or extended by a class

15:55 <fingerco> So I would like "private" methods and properties that remain "private" even to the class that includes them

15:57 <nofxx__> fingerco, check out Mixins, ruby uses single inheritance. And yes, you can have private/protected methods on your mixings.

16:01 <whitequark> they won't be hidden though

16:01 <whitequark> no, you can't do that in ruby.

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16:02 <fingerco> nofxx__, that doesn't seem to be true: http://repl.it/5pz

16:03 <lapide_viridi> Does anyone remember a comic strip where someone drops their table and it disappears? Can't find it anymore.

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16:03 <fingerco> Hmm, ok. Thank you whitequark. Would you say that there's any alternative way of doing this that would be preferable or is it just not a feature yet?

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16:04 <whitequark> you can't have a method that can be called on self and also can't be overwritten

16:04 <whitequark> you *can* execute a method from some other module on self using some metaprogramming tricks

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16:05 <whitequark> i.e. OtherModule.method(:whatever).unbind.bind(self).call(...)

16:05 <whitequark> although this is not idiomatic to ruby.

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17:03 <fingerco> whitequark, are there any idioms or design practices that you know of that that sort of method/property designation would violate?

17:03 <fingerco> (Say if it were implemented with the non-idiomatic code hidden from the rest of the program)

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17:06 <whitequark> this is not an idiom that is used in Ruby

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17:06 <whitequark> so, at least, this code will be very unexpected to anyone working with it

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21:33 * simi wondering what miniruby is

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22:23 <ReinH> simi: sounds like something google could help you with...

22:23 <simi> yup, I found already

22:23 <simi> ReinH, https://gist.github.com/1485236/ffa2f6a457e8054bafce98253a361de2feb9cf31#file-what-s-miniruby-for

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23:32 <AwesomeRuski> Is this IRC chat appropriate to ask questions about how to write ruby regexes?

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23:32 <womble> Sure.

23:33 <AwesomeRuski> good to hear, I am trying to create a regex that does two things: makes sure that the first string is a letter, and that the rest of the string only consists of alphanumeric characters

23:34 <AwesomeRuski> I am not exactly sure how to combine the two conditions

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23:35 <womble> Do you mean first string, or first character?

23:36 <bnagy> AwesomeRuski: rubular.com

23:36 <AwesomeRuski> The first character, sorry

23:36 <bnagy> play around as you learn, real-time feedback

23:37 <bnagy> there's not much 'ruby' about ruby regexes, you can also use any regex resource to learn more

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23:37 <womble> AwesomeRuski: Combining two "pieces" of a regex is just a matter of putting them next to each other.

23:37 <centrx> abcdefg

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23:42 <AwesomeRuski> thank you

23:43 <AwesomeRuski> I'm using rubular

23:43 <AwesomeRuski> but it still is kind of confusing

23:43 <womble> Welcome to regexes

23:43 <AwesomeRuski> hehe that's for sure

23:43 <womble> If it helps, the pieces you'll need are ^, $, + (or *), [A-Za-z], and [A-Za-z0-9]

23:44 <womble> Combine to taste.

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23:44 <AwesomeRuski> can't 0-9 just be \d?

23:44 <womble> It can, if you like that kind of thing.

23:44 <AwesomeRuski> thanks bnagy and womble

23:45 <bnagy> no love fo ::alnum::

23:45 <AwesomeRuski> hopefully I can get this final project done

23:45 <AwesomeRuski> :::alnum::?

23:45 <womble> bnagy: The number of people I've come across who don't know what [::alnum::] (and even \d, \w, etc) are is astounding

23:46 <womble> That's why I keep it simple and readable with explicit ranges

23:46 <womble> Also, the answer to the question "what *is* a word-like character?" isn't as simple as one might naively imagine

23:47 <AwesomeRuski> what does word-like even mean?

23:47 <bnagy> >> /[[:alnum:]]+/.match '35'

23:47 <eval-in__> bnagy => #<MatchData "35"> (https://eval.in/231797)

23:47 <womble> Then some clever bugger uses \h and *everyone* starts scratching their heads

23:47 <bnagy> AwesomeRuski: fwiw, try to avoid using regex at all costs ( although not _always_ possible )

23:47 <bnagy> other than that, the trick to regex is understanding anchors

23:47 <womble> AwesomeRuski: It means any letter, number, *or underscore*

23:48 <AwesomeRuski> I wish I could do that

23:48 <AwesomeRuski> womble: i see

23:48 <AwesomeRuski> unfortunately I'm setting a requirement for allowed characters for usernames

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23:49 <womble> But plenty of people see "word character" and think "oh, that's just upper and lower-case letters", and then even when they grok that it also means digits, they still get caught out by the underscore.

23:49 <bnagy> oh god

23:49 <AwesomeRuski> oh and quick question, my online ircclient stopped autoscrolling, how do i switch it back on?

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