apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.4; 2.0.0-p594; 1.9.3-p550: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<|jemc|> a little off topic, but does anyone know of a good "mailing list viewer"
<|jemc|> Gmane and such publish an RSS feed, but I'm picturing the viewer being able to link together replies to a thread in one continuous view
<|jemc|> (like a vanilla RSS reader won't)
<|jemc|> if it was a command line viewer, it would be bonus, but I won't press my luck
<|jemc|> if it was written in ruby then my question would become more on-topic :P
<ohsix> like gmail does? there's a weird intersection with the dark ages when you deal with mail; and the mailing list archivers aren't always able to put the threads together since people fail at email
<ohsix> i think mutt can collapse threads so you see the original post, then can expand it or go into a thread view
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<|jemc|> hm. well I was hoping to be able to browse mailing list archives for lists I am not subscribed to or was not subscribed to at the time
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<|jemc|> maybe I should just whip up a little webcrawler for gmane in ruby that uses curses :)
<|jemc|> I just kinda figured somebody else had done it
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<siwica> when having a method that is only doing some stuff and has no actual return value, is there a canonical value one should return if the operation succeeds?
<ledestin> siwica: true?
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<yorickpeterse> query time: 18,4 seconds
<yorickpeterse> dat query
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<yorickpeterse> In unrelated news, handling migrations in ActiveRecord spread over different apps for the same DB is a total fucking nightmare
<yorickpeterse> Schema conflicts, AR being dumb as a brick and not tracking things correctly, general ugh
<zenspider> AR being dumb? no... that scenario is just dumb
<yorickpeterse> The sceneraio makes perfect sense if apps share a database and a common set of tables, but also at some point need to change those
<yorickpeterse> You have to at some point decide that app would own those migrations, then you have to make sure the others can still run on their own (e.g. during tests or development)
<yorickpeterse> s/that app/what app
<zenspider> no, that doesn't make perfect sense.
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<zenspider> that's a good rationalization, but it doesn't make perfect sense
<yorickpeterse> wat
<zenspider> AR uses tables in the db to track migrations, and you overwrote them by splitting this across 2+ apps.
<yorickpeterse> No no
<yorickpeterse> The table itself is just one table
<yorickpeterse> But yes, using separate ones is one way of doing it
<zenspider> the right thing to do would probably be to push all AR code into a single shared gem that all the apps use so all the models and migrations were in one place.
<yorickpeterse> e.g. Sequel supports that
<yorickpeterse> Ah no, we've tried that
<yorickpeterse> at least with AR models
<yorickpeterse> it's a total nightmare
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<yorickpeterse> AR doesn't play nice when you extend models (e.g. a base Foo model and a custom MyOtherProject::Foo model) and relations
<yorickpeterse> though in certain other cases it does, sometimes. It's super confusing
<zenspider> yup. doing super confusing things is super confusing.
<zenspider> it's called "the rails way" for a reason. going against it, esp THIS bad, has pain
<yorickpeterse> well yeah, namespacing in general is a PITA in Rails
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<yorickpeterse> Ah well, soon (tm) there will be a new database so we get another go at doing this properly
<yorickpeterse> I wonder if AR can store migrations in different tables though
<zenspider> that I don't know. tenderlove might
<zenspider> I don't think that's really tenderlove tho
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<yorickpeterse> Hm, seems that only works in AR 4
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<darix> yorickpeterse: imho it would be cleaner if you have one app that maintains the shared DB and does the migrations there.
<yorickpeterse> darix: No, that would be an equal mess
<yorickpeterse> You'd get this single app with a shit pile of migrations of all different apps
<yorickpeterse> An app, and its repository, should be able to function on its own
<yorickpeterse> So if it needs some migrations, they should belong in the app's repo
<darix> thats what i meant
<yorickpeterse> You said the opposite
<darix> only that single app does migration on the shared db. the rest of your apps stays out of it
<yorickpeterse> No, that's exactly what I _don't_ want
<darix> but its the only thing that makes sense
<yorickpeterse> No, if AR properly supports using different schema migration tables then the whole problem would go away
<yorickpeterse> Since you can 1) keep migrations where they belong 2) they don't conflict anymore
<yorickpeterse> Conflict as in confusing AR into thinking something already is (or not) migrated, even when using unique migration names
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<imperator> good morning
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<karamazov> Is it possible to retrieve a cookie set by a third party?
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<ljarvis> karamazov: no
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<ljarvis> that would be massively insecure
<karamazov> Interesting - I'm using a referral service that sets a cookie with a code in the browser then run their JS to fill in a text box with a code that's in their cookie. So somehow they're doing it in their code on my domain?
<apeiros> theoretically yes, it is possible. practically no browser will allow that, because of what ljarvis said.
<karamazov> Their JS is obfuscated so it's a bit difficult to decipher
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<apeiros> their js maybe does a roundtrip to their server via ajax
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<karamazov> Regardless, they're interacting with the cookie that's set on my domain though, right?
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<workmad3> karamazov: JS running in a page served by your domain can access cookies from your domain
<karamazov> document.cookies yeah?
<ljarvis> correct
<karamazov> But it can't access cookies set by another.
<ljarvis> correct
<karamazov> Yet I'm running JS on my domain that reads the code from their cookie
<ljarvis> that was set on your domain
<workmad3> karamazov: but it could send the cookies to another server via a CORS or JSONP request, and said request could pass back the information that was in cookies sent by the browser to that domain
<ljarvis> cookiemania
<karamazov> I'm not sure I follow - right now, document.cookies doesn't show their cookie. But I can see the cookie by viewing cookies on the page in chrome.
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<karamazov> haha...ok - that makes sense.
<ljarvis> document.cookies shows your cookies for that website
<ljarvis> nobody elses
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<workmad3> karamazov: also, you can see the cookies in the requests in things like the network panel
<workmad3> karamazov: but that doesn't mean that the JS code in the page can see them ;)
<apeiros> karamazov: not regardless. either they read on your domain a cookie set by your domain. or they do an ajax roundtrip where they read the cookie set on their domain within their domain.
<karamazov> I'm really interested as to how their JS is sending it then.
<workmad3> karamazov: cookies are automatically inserted into requests made to the relevant domain
<karamazov> Ooooreally?
<workmad3> it's kinda the point of a cookie ;)
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<apeiros> …
<ljarvis> :/
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<karamazov> I didn't realize their post request would contain the cookie.
<ljarvis> apeiros: gtfo with your posh ellipsis
<apeiros> I'm posh all I want!
<ljarvis> next you'll be using real em dashes
<karamazov> Is it that shocking that I didn't know that?
<ljarvis> karamazov: yes
<ljarvis> :P
<workmad3> karamazov: if you had to manually attach cookies to requests, they'd just be normal request data :P
<ljarvis> browsers do this for you, because otherwise they would suck
<workmad3> karamazov: or you'd be doing curl...
<karamazov> I missed the cookies course in my self teaching endeavor :)
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<ljarvis> ⋯
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<ljarvis> apeiros: EAT THAT
<apeiros>
<ljarvis> ⋰
<apeiros> ⁙
<ljarvis> ⋱
<workmad3>
<apeiros> shevy is probably all confused about all those <?>'s in his chatlog :-p
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<workmad3>
<ljarvis>
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<karamazov> Thanks for the help albeit my lower self worth ;)
<workmad3> karamazov: hey, you managed to avoid a link to google... that should count as a win ;)
<ljarvis> lernz++
<karamazov> True. And I didn't ask my coworkers so they don't know I didn't know.
<karamazov> My pay has not been deducted.
<ljarvis> now go and school them
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<ljarvis> YO U HEARD ABOUT COOKIES?
<karamazov> THEY BE SENDIN IN REQUESTS IN SHEET
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<apeiros> cookies? OM NOM NOM!
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<yorickpeterse> WHAT DID I MISS WHY ARE WE TALKING IN CAPS?
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