apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.1.5; 2.0.0-p598; 1.9.3-p551: http://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on http://gist.github.com
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<ender|dkm> would anybody happen to know the most correct method for doing a 301 redirect from DDD.com/i_gots_a_controller/about to DDD.com/about which is actually a static page in static pages. And should it matter, the actual file is app/views/pages/static/about.html.haml (ya, I know ... static *rolls eyes*)
<ender|dkm> anyway - if anybody could help out. A quick google search suggested a bunch of neat things - neat things that didnt work
<ender|dkm> :(
<ericwood> is this a rails question?
<ericwood> what are you serving these pages with?
<ender|dkm> zeus
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<ender|dkm> yes - rails :)
<ender|dkm> well - locally the server is zeus. is that your question?
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<ericwood> kind of
<ericwood> there's a rails channel that's pretty active: #rubyonrails
<ericwood> this one is more for talking about Ruby as a whole
<ender|dkm> ah, ok
<ender|dkm> is that channel on this same server?
<ericwood> yep
<ender|dkm> cool. Thanks!
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<ericwood> best of luck
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<ender|dkm> thanks
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<ljarvis> moin
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<yorickpeterse> hihi, --order rand saves the day
<yorickpeterse> some tests are racy, prevents a deploy of broken code
<yorickpeterse> good thing I enabled that
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<ljarvis> ...
<ljarvis> it wasn't random before?
<ljarvis> any tests being ran in order are broken tests
<yorickpeterse> No apparently not, I thought I enabled that
<yorickpeterse> now I'm fixing more race conditions
<yorickpeterse> oddly enough I can't reproduce these locally, even when using the same seed
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<banister> surrounder: r u more of a sinta or santa kinda guy
<yorickpeterse> wtf
<yorickpeterse> oh wait
<yorickpeterse> heh
<yorickpeterse> I read that as "Sinatra or santa kinda guy"
<surrounder> banister: sinterklaas
<surrounder> yorickpeterse: hehe
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<banister> surrounder: sinta is santa from a parallel universe, pretty darn strange. Is he meant to be a bishop?
<surrounder> who's sinta ?
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<banister> surrounder: sinterklaas sorry
<yorickpeterse> banister: santa is based on sinterklaas
<surrounder> and it's the other way around, 'santa claus' was created because the english couldn't pronounce sinterklaas properly
<yorickpeterse> Then the yanks made him fat to be more realistic
* yorickpeterse runs really fast
<surrounder> lol
<banister> yorickpeterse: ah you're right "The modern figure of Santa Claus is derived from the Dutch figure of Sinterklaas, whose name is a dialectal pronunciation of Saint Nicholas"
<banister> surrounder: did you hear that the EU officially pronounced zwarte piet 'racist' and told the dutch to stop doing it? :)
<surrounder> the EU can suck it
<banister> surrounder: american tourists look pretty outraged if they happen to arrive in NL around xmas time :)
<surrounder> poor sods
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<surrounder> protip: don't come to .nl around xmas time then
<surrounder> or get a thicker skin
<yorickpeterse> Aren't they all high anyway?
<yorickpeterse> either that or getting drunk on Bavaria
<surrounder> haha
<surrounder> banister: besides, the whole 'discussion' started by some fricking 'artist' who gets his money from the government anyhow, basically biting the hand that feeds him
<surrounder> idiot
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<banister> surrounder: it doesn't bother me, i think it's quite ballsy of the dutch to keep doing it with the world-wide political correctness and sensitivity around the issue of black face
<yorickpeterse> That doesn't make his arguments less sound though
<yorickpeterse> Yes, Quinsy is a tool, but there's a certain element of truth in his argument
<banister> yorickpeterse: what was his argument?
<surrounder> might be; what I don't get though is that stuff changed (different kinds of pieten now) and still they need cause problems
<yorickpeterse> banister: The core of it is that today's incarnation of Zwarte Piet is racist
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<yorickpeterse> Which it very much is if you look at the universal way it's portrayed
<surrounder> @ Gouda, 90 people arrested
<yorickpeterse> e.g. the stories go he's black due to dirt from the chimneys. Your lips don't turn big and red because of that
<yorickpeterse> Nor do you suddenly get golden earrings
<banister> yorickpeterse: haha
<banister> or curly hair
<yorickpeterse> well that only if the fire was still on
<banister> heh
<yorickpeterse> My main issue is that from very early on this was made a national, legal problem, instead of something solved via social levels
<yorickpeterse> That is, they went to court instead of talking to the people
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<yorickpeterse> Everybody claims this is an event for the children, yet the adults are fighting it out in court
<yorickpeterse> "adults"
<yorickpeterse> But screw some of those left-wing hippies though
<yorickpeterse> "OOH SINTERKLAAS COMES WITH A BOAT. TOTALLY A SLAVE SHIP
<yorickpeterse> or them getting angry for being arrested when protesting
<yorickpeterse> Ignoring that you need a permit for it
<yorickpeterse> and that they're arrested for not having that plus being a public disturbance
<yorickpeterse> but it's totally facism and violation of human rights
<banister> yorickpeterse: just to change the subject -- waht's the performance of oga like compared to nokogiri?
<banister> also what kind of name is oga?
<yorickpeterse> banister: Oga is quite a bit slower
<banister> it sounds like the name of a scandinavian grandma
<yorickpeterse> it's a pun on Nokogiri
<banister> i guess i have to know what nokogiri means first :P
<yorickpeterse> scroll up
<yorickpeterse> "The Japanese saw or nokogiri (鋸?) is a type of saw used in woodworking and Japanese carpentry that cuts on the pull stroke, unlike the European saw that cuts on the push stroke. This allows it to have thinner blades that cut more efficiently and leave a narrower cut width (kerf). On the other hand, a pull stroke does not easily permit putting one's body weight behind a stroke."
<banister> ah, nice
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<yorickpeterse> ljarvis: does Slop provide a way to somehow "extend" the runner block? e.g. Gem 1 creates a Slop parser, Gem 2 wants to run some of its stuff before running the parser of Gem 1
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<yorickpeterse> I can probably do something like this:
<yorickpeterse> old_runner = some_slop.instance_variable_get(:@runner); some_slop.run { ....; old_runner.call }
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<ljarvis> yorickpeterse: yeah it's not supported out of the box, hadn't really thought of that
<yorickpeterse> It's a super rare case I guess
<yorickpeterse> I basically have Gem A and B, and B needs to hijack the CLI of A to add some options/extra behaviour
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* bomb3r love u freenode! :@
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<yorickpeterse> hahaha this actually works
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<yorickpeterse> also dat Engrish
<yorickpeterse> "the Slop's block"
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<ljarvis> dat hax
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<yorickpeterse> oh hey an application randomly spikes to 10 second load times
<yorickpeterse> on a Friday
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<yorickpeterse> at 16:00
<yorickpeterse> 1 hour before beer o' clock
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<darix> yorickpeterse: probably the garbage collector! :p
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<yorickpeterse> actually that one is doing fuck all
<yorickpeterse> I suspect it's teh mongo
<yorickpeterse> already ruled out MySQL
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<yorickpeterse> brixen: so even with concurrent immix disabled this one app still beats MRI in throughput
<brixen> sweet
<yorickpeterse> and with the JIT crashes from time to time
<brixen> you mean the JIT aborts or actual crashes in the JIT?
<brixen> since we have both
<brixen> well, we shouldn't have aborts on master
<yorickpeterse> aborts
<brixen> ok
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<yorickpeterse> I haven't compiled a nightly yet, need to make them non-debug builds first
<yorickpeterse> hm, might as well do that now
<brixen> ok
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<brixen> going to *try* to get 2.3.1 or 2.4.0 out today
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<brixen> working on a fix for the "god problem" on Linux now
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<yorickpeterse> class IO; def close; if caller.grep(/god/).empty?; actually_close_it; end; end
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<ruby-lang368> hello guys, my app just caused [BUG] Segmentation fault at 0x00000000000000. I suppose I need to send a core dumo to developers
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<ruby-lang368> is there an *offical way* or I need to open a ticket at https://bugs.ruby-lang.org/
<banister> ruby-lang368 no
<banister> ruby-lang368 it's most likely a bug in a 3rd party extension
<ruby-lang368> so I need to send it to nokogiri (in my case) devs
<banister> ruby-lang368 filing bug on ruby will just annoy people until you've verified that it really is a bug in ruby and not a 3rd party extension (a more likely scenario)
<banister> ruby-lang368 if you're sure it's nokogiri too :) It might be another, less stable 3rd party extension too
<banister> ruby-lang368 and you typically file it as a github issue
<ruby-lang368> it's definitely nokogiri, I think I'll go to https://github.com/sparklemotion/nokogiri
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<ljarvis> eh
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<joevandyk> Why does Date - Date return a rational?
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<joevandyk> (Date.today + 2 ) - Date.today # returns (2/1)
<joevandyk> why not 2?
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<yxhuvud> probably because there are rationals involved in date representation and that end up polluting the answer
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<midhir> What's your folks opinion on using whitespace to align variable assignments on consecutive lines?
<midhir> foo = 'bar'
<midhir> bars = 'hello'
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<midhir> You often see this style in CoffeeScript but doesn't seem popular in Ruby
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<joevandyk> yxhuvud: how are rationals involved?
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<apeiros> joevandyk: Date uses Rational internally
<apeiros> and 2/1 == 2
<joevandyk> apeiros: just curious, do you know why?
<apeiros> why what?
<joevandyk> i guess i don't understand why subtracting two dates would ever not be an integer
<apeiros> again, because a) your result is integer, even if not an instance of Integer
<apeiros> and b) because Date uses Rational internally.
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<cout> should one use --long-option or --long_option, and why?
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<godd2> --long-option. convention.
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<cout> godd2: is it a de facto convention or a formal/codified convention ?
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<cout> I could not find any explicit requirement for --long-option in the gnu coding standards, despite the fact that most (all?) gnu tools use that form
<godd2> I don't know, but I do know that if you type irb -h you'll only see the - form
<whitequark> |jemc|: I wonder what is the status of https://github.com/jemc/rubinius-wqparser
<godd2> so it seems like at least de facto
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<|jemc|> whitequark: I'm assuming you read the note I slapped on the README already. Now that rbx 2.3 is out I could resume work - there's not that much left to do there
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<whitequark> cool
<|jemc|> they didn't make the big changes to AST I was anticipating yet but keyword args are at least solidified and I expect the other changes na re long way off
<|jemc|> *chanes are a long way off
<|jemc|> *changes are a long way off
<|jemc|> >_<
<|jemc|> anyway, why do you ask? is there interest in trying to use it or just general curiosity?
<|jemc|> If there's interest in using it, I can make it a higher priority to get back to it
<|jemc|> there's not a lot more syntax to support but the code needs a huge cleanup in terms of clarity and style - it's just an ugly hack at the moment
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<whitequark> |jemc|: I'm curious as to whether parser is usable as the main parser of an impl
<|jemc|> whitequark: just synced to the latest rbx melbourne specs and ran tests again
<|jemc|> 62 files, 583 examples, 583 expectations, 10 failures, 14 errors
<|jemc|> so, not too far off
<|jemc|> I'll probably do some work on it this weekend and see if I can't finish up the behavior and then work on the cleanup
<whitequark> hmmm, what are the errors?
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<|jemc|> errors in my code, not yours
<|jemc|> mostly syntax features I never actually added processor methods for
<whitequark> ah ok
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<|jemc|> one weird point about this whole scheme is that building the same AST rubinius builds may not always be the most efficient way to do it
<brixen> it's most likely not
<|jemc|> there are features (like splats, for example) where the rubinius AST is really weird and counterintuitve because the MRI parser is
<brixen> the AST needs to be refactored away from MRI parse tree crazy days
<|jemc|> so, in the adapter I'm convoluting the wqparser output because of weirdness in the MRI parser which is not even "in the picture"
<brixen> |jemc|: got a list somewhere?
<whitequark> |jemc|: can't you like, emit bytecode directly?
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<|jemc|> a list of weirdness? no, but I can come up with one when I get back to work on polishing up the adapter
<brixen> |jemc|: yeah, such a list would be good
<|jemc|> whitequark: yes, but I'm duplicating a lot of work done by rubinius
<brixen> whitequark: there's no just "emit bytecode directly"
<|jemc|> whitequark: and I'd have to keep in sync with improvements made by rubinius
<whitequark> oh?
<brixen> projects like Fancy use the same AST and emit their own bytecode
<whitequark> same AST?
<whitequark> you mean like MRI's?
<brixen> the bytecode methods are being removed from the AST and factored into a visitor
<brixen> using the same AST that rubinius-processor produces
<|jemc|> whitequark: ideal situation from my perspective would be to clean up the rubinius AST a bit and not have to put bytecode emitting into the adapter
<|jemc|> brixen: I'll try to get you a list of what's weird as you mentioned
<brixen> |jemc|: sweet, thanks
<|jemc|> brixen: and I'm happy to help out if we can coordinate it between us
<brixen> ok
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<|jemc|> heh, looks like the adapter is actually passing more tests than it was last time I worked on it - that's something you don't see every day :)
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