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<ccbn>
I've been using the Resolv::DNS class in a script to test DNS. I noticed that if you create a DNS resolver with an IP that isn't really a DNS server, and you query it, the error message is the same as if you queried a real DNS server that had no matching record for the query. Should Resolv be doing this, or should I be checking that I'm passing a legit DNS server to Resolv? The error message is misleading: https://github.com/ruby/rub
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<ljarvis>
less time than configuring pretty print apparently
<ljarvis>
psh, apeiros_ already has a y() method in irbrc
<apeiros_>
darix: if pretty_inspect is bad, to_yaml will be just as bad
<apeiros_>
and what ljarvis said :)
<apeiros_>
funny you remember that :D
<apeiros_>
I even bothered tenderlove when he broke Kernel#y
<ljarvis>
:P
<darix>
apeiros_: he probably just logged in to your machine and checked it ;p
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<ljarvis>
I actually just looked over his shoulder
<apeiros_>
I think this is acceptable for now: `enum("a", "b")` # => [enum:"a", enum:"b"], `Mode = enum "a", "b"; Mode` # => [enum(Mode):"a", enum(Mode):"b"]
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<apeiros_>
while I value my team - I'd love to work with people of ljarvis' calibre
<darix>
apeiros_: so we just ship you over?:p
<ljarvis>
apeiros_: we're hiring! :D
<[spoiler]>
I'd love to work with Ruby in general :/
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<ljarvis>
[spoiler]: what do you do for work?
<apeiros_>
ljarvis: oh? where are you working?
<ljarvis>
apeiros_: loco2.com
<apeiros_>
d'oh, my presence is requested (table soccer :D)
<[spoiler]>
Sysadmin and system development for a hosting company; I'm pretty much the only rubist here
<ljarvis>
we just had a couple ruby openenings come up this week actually
<apeiros_>
brb
<ljarvis>
apeiros_: enjoy!
<ljarvis>
[spoiler]: what sort of sys development do you do?
<ljarvis>
sounds vague but interesting
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<[spoiler]>
mostly convenience stuff to help the NOC crew (I used to work in NOC and some of the everyday tasks are tedious, or just take long because they're mind-bogging, especially if you multitask)
<ljarvis>
ah
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<[spoiler]>
I use Ruby "for myself" (lol that sounds weird)
<[spoiler]>
in side projects/free time
<oddmunds>
i "do" ruby "to" myself
<ljarvis>
no idea what this free time thing you speak of is
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<darix>
[spoiler]: just start using ruby at work. it might be picked up more and more. that's what happened here.
<ljarvis>
I loved when I had lots of time for OSS, I wrote so much :(
<ljarvis>
now i dont even have time to tell people to stop asking for ntlm support in mechanize
<[spoiler]>
Lmao
<darix>
ljarvis: right ... when will the ntlm support hit mechanize?;)
<ljarvis>
darix: technically it's there, but broken. I'm trying to rip it out
<darix>
ljarvis: i do most of my OSS stuff at work and then have the rest of the day for other stuff :)
<ljarvis>
people are asking to fix it :)
<[spoiler]>
darix, meh we have a few senior admins that use some basic Python for some stuff, and one of them is very anti-ruby; I'm just the junior sysadmin :P but I have a plot ~
<ljarvis>
I work another job in the eve
<darix>
ljarvis: in EVE or evening?;)
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<darix>
[spoiler]: well python is decent as language. could be worse. like perl or so
<ljarvis>
I LOVE perl
<darix>
he had to say that.
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<[spoiler]>
LMAO
<ljarvis>
there is no better language for file processing/munging imo
<darix>
ljarvis: ruby works just as well. and perl gets unfun when you have people with 1200 line functions "because the call overhead for methods would be to high" :p
<ljarvis>
there's a place for all of these languages, I don't really *hate* any languages except maybe javascript and php
<darix>
ljarvis: i use ruby to process log files e.g.
<ljarvis>
sure, im not saying ruby is bad for it
<ljarvis>
im saying perl is better
<ljarvis>
i do a lot of that stuff in ruby too
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<darix>
first thing a style guide for perl would get is no $_ or @_
<ljarvis>
then you're already on a path to hating it, the best thing about perl is $_ and @_ why do you think $_ made it into ruby
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<darix>
readability
<darix>
it suffers a lot with heavy use of $_
<ljarvis>
sure i agree
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<wnd>
one rarely needs to type $_ in perl code, many methods use it by default
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<apeiros_>
won!
<apeiros_>
ljarvis: where are you located? or telework?
<ljarvis>
apeiros_: i live an hour outside of london, but i work remotely because i can
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<ljarvis>
and because offices are noisy
<darix>
wnd: that doesnt help the argument.
<apeiros_>
I've been working here for 7y… maybe I should indeed start to consider other places :-/
<ljarvis>
heh
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<yorickpeterse>
apeiros_: *cough* come work for me *cough*
<yorickpeterse>
we have cookies
<apeiros_>
only if you promise to keep your rants on #ruby-lang and not on the private irc/chat :-p
<yorickpeterse>
Sorry
<yorickpeterse>
I complain quite a bit on Slack
<yorickpeterse>
though I'm not the only one
<apeiros_>
:D
<[spoiler]>
Have you not seen his screenshot of his message count on Slack
<[spoiler]>
Slack will soon need to switch to 128bit integers to keep the counter from overflowing ~
<maloik>
I think you're just kidding yourself if you think he doesn't complain everywhere
<maloik>
:D
<[spoiler]>
unsigned 128bit integer
<[spoiler]>
soon: `uin128_t yoricks_messages;`
<[spoiler]>
:D
<yorickpeterse>
:<
<[spoiler]>
<3
<workmad3>
[spoiler]: it's only a real issue if you have to represent yorick's message count using up-arrow notation
<workmad3>
[spoiler]: so give it a couple years ;)
<[spoiler]>
lol
<apeiros_>
didn't youtube recently switch to 128bit counters?
<sluukkonen2>
that ganmnam style view counter thingy was a prank though
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<sluukkonen2>
iirc there was some javascript on the page that made it look like it overflowed
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<[spoiler]>
apeiros_, ok looked it up and weird. Apparently it hit only >2.1 views before they had to change? So they used a signed integer. Can you have negative views? Lmao
<apeiros_>
afaik youtube only does approximation on view count anyway
<apeiros_>
for performance reasons
<[spoiler]>
YouTube: "he turned his head around while watching the video: -1 bitches"
<j2p2>
lol
<maloik>
I don't think it was a prank, but they did add the javascript to explain how it works behind the scenes
<maloik>
I read something along those lines but didn't really look into it
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<ljarvis>
many bits overflowed
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<[spoiler]>
going home, ttyl guys!
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<ljarvis>
yorickpeterse: you must have had a short friday
<ljarvis>
is friday afternoon non-rant time?
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: I spent most day in meetings, writing planning/docs and coding
<yorickpeterse>
next two weeks will be super busy
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<yorickpeterse>
mysql -> pg, AR -> sequel, mongo -> pg, old shitty sentiment stack -> new, less shitty sentiment stack
<yorickpeterse>
followed by redesigning parts of our database structure (e.g. better indexing, searchin, yadyadya)
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<yorickpeterse>
Today I wrote this migration guide for some of my co-workers
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<yorickpeterse>
the first 30% or so is me ranting about mysql/mongo
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<pipework>
It makes me sad that I'm often unable to do nice simple plain ruby things that are awesome because coworkers might not immediately understand what's going on.
<pipework>
Like getting the metaclass and defining methods on it dynamically.
<pipework>
That's not very magical and just requires that you know the object model to the language you're paid to use professionally.
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: some exceprts from said migration guide:
<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: "Two years ago (well a bit less than that but those are details) I had a dream. I dreamed about having an infrastructure that didn't involve MongoDB, a completely messed up relational database or a collection of applications of which the code quality was worse than a Justin Bieber cover by Nickelback."
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<yorickpeterse>
ljarvis: also crucial: "This document is written by Sir Rant-a-lot so expect sarcastic remarks along the road."
<yorickpeterse>
but yeah, once this is all done I'm getting a big bottle of champagne
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<tzero>
what's wrong with mongo?
<yorickpeterse>
tzero: do you care about your data?
<tzero>
(actually interested in a real use case)
<yorickpeterse>
or actually getting anything done?
<tzero>
hmm
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<tzero>
who cares about data, and it's friday so nothing's getting done anyway! :D
<j2p2>
^
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<pipework>
^
<[spoiler]>
^
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