apeiros changed the topic of #ruby-lang to: Ruby 2.2.2; 2.1.6; 2.0.0-p645: https://ruby-lang.org || Paste code on https://gist.github.com
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<Lucidstory> Hello!
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<Ox0dea> Lucidstory: Hey! Whatcha workin' on?
<Ox0dea> Or not.
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<Ox0dea> Lucidstory: Hey! Whatcha workin' on?
<Lucidstory> Hello!
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<Kortes> test
<Kortes> guys! please help me out on this i cant figure out what im doing wrong...
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<Kortes> class Hanoi
<Kortes> attr_accessor :size , :finished, :moves, :wrong_moves, :towers
<Kortes> def initialize(size=6, finished=false, moves=0, wrong_moves=0)
<Kortes> @size = size
<Kortes> @finished = finished
<Kortes> @moves = moves
<Kortes> @wrong_moves = wrong_moves
<Kortes> end
<Kortes> puts "Size: #{@size}"
<Kortes> with that code, @size is giving me Nil, shouldnt it be giving me 6?
<darix> Kortes: it will give you 6 when you call Hanoi.new
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<darix> if you call @size after the initializer like that. then you dont print the instance variable.
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<Kortes> jajaja holy shit guys thank you so much
<Kortes> darix you the man
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<Ox0dea> >> Enumerable.instance_methods.grep(/grep/)
<eval-in> Ox0dea => [:grep] (https://eval.in/359933)
<Ox0dea> eval-in should run trunk, methinks.
* Ox0dea is looking for a reason to use #grep_v.
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<yorickpeterse> morning
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<niemcu> morning.
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<yorickpeterse> man I love Fridays after a national holiday
<yorickpeterse> because half the country takes another day off it's super quiet
<apeiros> I hoped for that effect. but still too many in the office :<
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<ddfreyne> I am not in the office!
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<ddfreyne> So I've been working quite a bit on nanoc 4 lately. I am redesigning some APIs, but it's difficult to get it quite right.
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<ddfreyne> I do not want to be stuck with an API of which I at some point think "Oh, that should not have been in there" or "Oh, that name was wrong".
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<ddfreyne> But I suppose that is unavoidable :)
<yorickpeterse> that will always happen
<yorickpeterse> also nanoc is pretty sweet, bit of a bummer that the default AWS deployment scheme is meh
<yorickpeterse> I could never get it to work properly
<yorickpeterse> so I wrote my own!
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: Send a PR!
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I also rolled my own, heh.
<ddfreyne> (Then moved away from S3, because S3 is surprisingly expensive.)
<yorickpeterse> actually I find S3 to be pretty cheap
<yorickpeterse> although I do have Cloudfront in front of it
<ddfreyne> Oh, that might help!
<ddfreyne> I use DigitalOcean (I got a ridiculous amount of credit) and am quite happy with it.
<yorickpeterse> I was using it in the past, still have a VPN running there (EC2 is quite expensive sadly)
<yorickpeterse> I got annoyed too much about droplets being rebooted at random followed by an Email of "oh sorry we had to reboot it"
<yorickpeterse> and droplets timing out quite often
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I have never had that issue. :o
<yorickpeterse> might've just been bad luck, though for the two-or-so years I've been using it it was generally ok
<ddfreyne> Mine is super reliable, and really fast.
<yorickpeterse> I just prefer AWS infrastructure/tooling/API/etc
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: Have you played around with the nanoc 4 beta yet? :D
<yorickpeterse> it's a bit of a shame even micro instances are about 2x the cost of DO
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: don't think so
<yorickpeterse> Ah no, using 3.6 everywhere
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: http://nanoc.ws/docs/nanoc-4-upgrade-guide/ test it out!
<yorickpeterse> errr 3.6/3.x
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<ddfreyne> So old :o
<yorickpeterse> Hm, one website uses 3.7.3
<yorickpeterse> Ah, my own one uses 3.7.5
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: Is the source on GitHub? I can upgrade it for you if you want.
<ddfreyne> (I need example sites so I can make sure nanoc 4 works properly.)
<yorickpeterse> One is, two are private
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<ddfreyne> Upgrade speedrun starts NOW!
<ddfreyne> Done! :D
<ddfreyne> Although it does not use any of the new features.
<yorickpeterse> hehe yeah, it's a pretty simple website
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<burgies> An open question: what do you use to manage application secrets in your applications? How do you handle sharing credentials not checked into source code when developing with other developers?
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<yorickpeterse> burgies: we use dotenv and store credentials in AWS userdata
<yorickpeterse> our repositories provide some config files with defaults so you don't have to set 1239821930i2 ENV variables locally
<yorickpeterse> Though those defaults never include secrets
<ddfreyne> Same here. Configuration goes in env variables, and those are stored (encrypted) somewhere else, out of Git, in our infrastructure
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<burgies> yorickpeterse: I assume AWS userdata for your public deployments, how do you handle onboarding new developers with secrets?
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<burgies> e.g. setting up a new development machine and distributing secrets for development
<yorickpeterse> They don't need any other than AWS credentials
<yorickpeterse> Everybody has a local DB and all that
<yorickpeterse> We just assume they have certain DB users during development
<burgies> yorickpeterse: and the AWS credentials are handed to them through some manual means?
<yorickpeterse> Yes
<yorickpeterse> That's a one time thing though, they're handed out and people dump them in ~/.bashrc
<burgies> Alright, makes sense, and from AWS they can download any other credentials for development during the initial setup.
<yorickpeterse> We have a Git repo with encrypted passwords for production and such
<yorickpeterse> The only credentials they need during development are the AWS credentials. Databases connect to localhost and assume a "root" user without a password (super secure but w/e it's local only)
<burgies> ddfreyne: how do you handle setting up new development machines? Similar to yorickpeterse?
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<yorickpeterse> typically our apps don't require 15 services, it's usually just a database and _maybe_ memcached (though so far that's always optional)
<yorickpeterse> sometimes an API, but that too can be run locally
<burgies> yorickpeterse: yeah, I'm mostly curious about things that can't be assumed, such as AWS credentials or other external services that might be used during development but are still considered secret enough.
<ddfreyne> burgies: Once you're on the VPN, you have full access to the deployment infrastructure, so you can also get all credentials you need that way
<burgies> ddfreyne: ah alright, so most of the credentials you use are shared within this walled VPN garden?
<ddfreyne> burgies: Yes
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<burgies> ddfreyne: I'm assuming you have different credentials for production and development. Are these stored in similar ways (but I assume separate places)?
<ddfreyne> burgies: There are no development credentials. Everything's developed on a local machine, so usually MySQL username=root and password=blank :P
<burgies> ddfreyne: alright :)
<ddfreyne> (There are some staging environments, which are kinda similar to production.)
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<burgies> For good measure: we use the OSX keychain and store our credentials in secure notes. The keychain is shared on all development machines using Dropbox. We use a gem similar to dotenv, for which I've written a plugin that pulls the secret notes from the keychain and configures it on start.
<yorickpeterse> it's worth mentioning that we don't deploy using Crapistrano, so we don't have this problem of having to copy production secrets to a dev box
<burgies> For production we use the same keychain plugin and distribute secrets from the notes. The note is typically named <project>-<environment>.
<burgies> yorickpeterse: and even then I assume it'd still pull it from AWS?
<burgies> (even if you were to use capistrano)
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<ddfreyne> Yeah, in our case, production credentials do not need to be on a dev box for deployment.
<yorickpeterse> Upon an application deploy, which happens on servers themselves, it saves the credentials from the userdata in a dotenv config file (".env.userdata") which is loaded automatically by an app upon boot
<burgies> Ah, I see.
<yorickpeterse> Deployment is triggered by a build server just rebooting the server
<yorickpeterse> Though we trigger the deployment using Crapistrano for web apps (this is being replaced soon ™), though this just SSH's into an instance and runs the deployment stuff directly
<ddfreyne> Also, our production configurations are versioned, which makes it easy to roll back if necessary.
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<burgies> Yeah same here ddfreyne, it's only when keys need to be added/updated/removed that access to the credentials is needed for deployment.
<burgies> ddfreyne: yorickpeterse: do any of you take steps to ensure all required variables are present during boot, or do you just allow things to fail during runtime if an API key happen to be missing?
<burgies> (i.e. how do you handle the human factor of forgetting to add a variable in production before a deploy?)
<yorickpeterse> We don't use pre-boot checks, if something is missing it will error whenever it needs the key
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<yorickpeterse> The only sane way would be to scan source code for references to ENV variables and make sure they're all set
<burgies> Yeah, static analysis of ruby is no fun.
<ddfreyne> burgies: ENV.fetch() everything necessary in config.ru or the main executable. Inject configuration into components; don't let the components do ENV.fetch (or ENV#[]) themselves
<ddfreyne> That way, it fails fast.
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<burgies> ddfreyne: I do prefer your method (or similar), I like things to fail fast when configuration is missing. For whatever reason most of the applications we build at work don't have this property, they fail during runtime. Bad discipline from our side, I suppose, and me not pushing the matter.
<burgies> yorickpeterse: ddfreyne: thank you for answering! Was hoping for an even more diverse set of answers but I'll be sure to ask these questions again at a later time when the channel is more awake. :)
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<yorickpeterse> np
<ddfreyne> I had the idea of writing up some of the Ruby development strategies that we use in our team. I believe it'd be quite useful to share.
<ddfreyne> That reminds me: does anyone use JRuby for services in production?
<ddfreyne> I find it quite annoying that the first requests to a freshly deployed instance take so long.
<ddfreyne> Precompiling JRuby doesn't help much.
<Burgestrand> ddfreyne: I'm asking on behalf of me writing a blog post on how my company do it, and wanted some perspective. :)
<ddfreyne> I resorted to exercising the paths that are commonly called, but I don't find that to be a good (or generic) solution. :/
<ddfreyne> Burgestrand: Cool!
<Burgestrand> ddfreyne: so yes you should write something up about development strategies, I feel it's one of the lesser discussed topics.
<Burgestrand> ;)
<ddfreyne> Burgestrand: Deployment strategies are not super interesting to talk about, because we have our own deployment infrastructure.
<Burgestrand> It's always "How to use Capistrano", rarely something more general.
<ddfreyne> I have never used Capistrano :)
<Burgestrand> I've used far too much of it, and sometimes far too little of it. :)
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<yorickpeterse> 562 commits in a pull request
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<yorickpeterse> 25996 additions, 36130 deletions
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<ddfreyne> Yikes.
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<ddfreyne> I have seen PRs with around 5-10 additions and 10 000+ deletions :D
<yorickpeterse> it was basically a full on refactor of a prototype plus a huge set of new things
<yorickpeterse> more stuff in this PR than in the year leading up to it
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<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I am doing big refactorings in nanoc 4 :o
<ddfreyne> But none of them are that big.
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<ddfreyne> (nanoc 3.0 was released 5 1/2 year ago and it started accumulating some technical debt that can't be removed without breaking backwards compatibility, sadly)
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<apeiros> ddfreyne: move such stuff into a compat layer?
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<ddfreyne> apeiros: It doesn't help enough. I made a *lot* of nanoc's internals part of the public API. That was a mistake :(
<yorickpeterse> yeah that sucks
<yorickpeterse> For Oga I decided to be a bit more explicit with what's public/private to save myself that trouble
<ddfreyne> So now the policy is "private by default" rater than "public by default"
<yorickpeterse> (https://github.com/YorickPeterse/oga#oga see last paragraph)
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I find using YARD super helpful with defining what's public and private
<yorickpeterse> sadly YARD doesn't have a way to declare everything private as far as I can tell
<yorickpeterse> * by default
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: bug ljarvis about it?
<yorickpeterse> also funny enough most is actually meant to be public
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I use this for generic docs: --query @api.text != "private"
<apeiros> or wait, am I messing up people?
<ddfreyne> apeiros: you mean lsegal
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<apeiros> right
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: lsegal is the YARD person
<yorickpeterse> though I think he mostly writes JS for AWS these days
<yorickpeterse> poor thing :<
<ddfreyne> :(
<ddfreyne> I am a bit sad that the company is moving towards Scala...
<ddfreyne> Athough I still pretty much do 100% Ruby :)
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<ddfreyne> The company = my company
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<yorickpeterse> Don't worry, in a few years it will move to Rust/Nim/whatever
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<apeiros> I always hesitate to say "my company". I feel like it implies I own the company :-/
<yorickpeterse> If you don't like it you're clearly not full stack enough
* apeiros is a stackless dev
<[k-> scala is amazingly fast tho
<apeiros> also it's a swiss invention 0:-)
<ddfreyne> apeiros: Yeah, I was just thinking the same :)
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<yorickpeterse> I'm such a full stack developer I overflow
<yorickpeterse> which sounds...disgusting
<apeiros> do you at least have TCO?
<yorickpeterse> move aside stackless peasants
<yorickpeterse> Hm, I wonder what would happen if one were to advertise themselves as "I'm a full-register developer as registers are better than stacks"
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<apeiros> aren't there languages which don't use a stack?
<apeiros> seems like
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<yorickpeterse> I long for the days where titles are just Developer/Software engineer instead of this edgy crap like "Full stack developer" and "Polyglot Go/Ruby/Cobol ninja rockstar"
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<apeiros> I still have to print new business cards.
<apeiros> I want my "Señor expert coding ninja astronaut" on it.
<apeiros> oh, I forgot the 25x again, didn't I?
<yorickpeterse> Yes
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<yorickpeterse> also where the heck did the 10x term even come from
<apeiros> actually I think a prime would look better. how about 17x?
<yorickpeterse> I agree some people are vastly better than others, but the 10x is oddly specific
<apeiros> I think the range is actually larger than 10x. but it's a pointless number to throw around.
<apeiros> you can hire the best coder and put them to work for something where you don't leverage the first bit of their qualities.
<yorickpeterse> Well, for one you have nothing to measure against
<apeiros> that too
<yorickpeterse> 10x what, more lines of code per second? More PRs? More commits?
<apeiros> less WTF/minute
<yorickpeterse> Some of the best programmers might also be the slowest, so speed already becomes useless
<yorickpeterse> e.g. somebody with 40 years of experience at age 60 might not be as fast as some 25 year old babby, but they can still be vastly better
<apeiros> coding is also a huge area
<yorickpeterse> Maybe we should measure it in fizzbuzz' per second
<apeiros> you can be the best expert at optimizing algorithms and datastructures - and might be an utter fail at designing large systems
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<ddfreyne> I once failed a job interview because "I wasn't fast enough"
<apeiros> osx' dict still doesn't know the word datastructure :<
<[k-> haha fizzbuzz per sec
<[k-> HAHAHAHAA
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<[k-> how would that work
<yorickpeterse> You let somebody write fizzbuzz, then measure how long it takes
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<yorickpeterse> the faster the better
<apeiros> oooh, it wants "data structures"
<yorickpeterse> We shall call it FBZ/sec
<apeiros> ddfreyne: driving faster agains the wall is better, init?
<yorickpeterse> Hm, maybe FZBZ/sec
<apeiros> *against
<yorickpeterse> "bro I totally do 120 fizzbuzz' per second"
<yorickpeterse> also Javascript frameworks make me puke
<surrounder> lol
<yorickpeterse> "install grunt" "install gulp" "install butts62butts5" I JUST WANT TO WRITE CODE
<yorickpeterse> and I hate how the recent trend is to move HTML/view code back into JS
<[k-> but then the unit is in seconds, not FZBZ
<[k-> per second
<yorickpeterse> [k-: errr I meant the more Fizzbuzz' per second the better
<[k-> you are still not very clear :(
<yorickpeterse> give me a few minutes to write an RFC
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<yorickpeterse> fukit too lazy
<yorickpeterse> RFC's have an annoying format
<yorickpeterse> either way
<yorickpeterse> start a timer for, say, 10 seconds
<yorickpeterse> the more fizzbuzz implementations one can write in 10 seconds the better
<yorickpeterse> Every implementation adds 1 point
<yorickpeterse> If it's written in a functional language you get 1,5 points
<[k-> i can't fizzbuzz in 10s
<yorickpeterse> if it's written in Haskell you get 2 points
<yorickpeterse> The more points, the better
<[k-> yay i knows haskell a lil bit
<yorickpeterse> [k-: then you're not a full fizzbuzz programmer
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<[k-> shh, there is an article on fizzbuzz by Tom Daling
<[k-> i dont fizzbuzz
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<yorickpeterse> What's his fizzbuz score?
<[k-> he wrote many implementations
<[k-> lemme find it on google
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<[k-> i think there is 9 implementations
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<yorickpeterse> Yeah but did he write them in under 10 seconds?
<[k-> he had to write an article goddamnit
<ddfreyne> I saw a friend's fizzbuzz solution with no conditionals.
<[k-> can u even fizzbuzz in 10s
<yorickpeterse> do you even fizzbuzz?
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<[k-> i fizz the buzzed before in codewars
<[k-> i passed
<[k-> :D
<[k-> i think i can retrieve my solution
<[k-> wait a sec
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<[k-> oh there are 2 katas on fizzbuzz and i completed them both
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<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: haha
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<[k-> wow clever
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: That solution took me a while to fully understand. It's smart.
<yorickpeterse> We used to do coding exercises here, but I've been trying to eradicate them
<yorickpeterse> although it at least wasn't fizzbuzz
<yorickpeterse> why? They're useless
<yorickpeterse> I'd much rather get drunk with somebody and learn everything about them by talking than making them sweat for some dumb exercise
<yorickpeterse> If they suck at coding they'll get sacked after the trial month anyway
<[k-> free beer?
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: I find them useful. At SoundCloud you get a challenge, and one week to solve it. Afterwards, you can talk about it in a phone call.
<yorickpeterse> unless people actually supervise you there's no guarantee you didn't cheat
<ddfreyne> That way, you can take your time, don't rush, no stress because someone is sitting next to you and asking you questions and assessing you.
<yorickpeterse> and since you can do that it kinda defeats the purpose
<yorickpeterse> since after a month people would find out anyway
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: we had that too
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: People that cheat are discovered in the interview(s) afterwards
<yorickpeterse> I had to write some weird app that yanked data off foursquare and compared it with other data
<yorickpeterse> sadly the API for the other data was shit and didn't let me do it
<yorickpeterse> So I was more or less done in a few hours
<yorickpeterse> ddfreyne: perhaps it's different from larger organizations, but I find it far easier to see what makes people tick by talking to them
<yorickpeterse> instead of letting them do some exercise
<[k-> some programmers are introverts like me :<
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<yorickpeterse> but then again I'm one of those few programmers who actually doesn't mind going out in the sun
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: It's more a case of weeding out the cases that highly likely wouldn't lead to a hire anyway
<ddfreyne> yorickpeterse: There's interviewsa nd conversations afterwards. And interestingly, because you already have the solution to the challenge, there's something concrete to talk about
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<ledestin> a company that doesn't give me enough time to solve a code test gets a large drop in attractiveness
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<ljarvis> :|
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<ddfreyne> ledestin: It took me 3 hours and they gave me 8-9 days to finish it. It's a *lot* of time.
<ledestin> ddfreyne well, that's good
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<ledestin> ddfreyne it took me a couple of days, spent a couple hour per day
<ledestin> time helps to see it differently
<ddfreyne> ledestin: Yup.
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<ddfreyne> I just came up with the class name "MutableIdentifiableCollectionView". That's kinda long.
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<yorickpeterse> enterprise approved
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<ddfreyne> Mutabe -> Mut, Collection -> Coll. I can make it shorter that way. :P
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<canton7> nah, descriptive is good
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<canton7> I can guess what a MutableIdentifiableCollectionView is
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<canton7> MutIdentifiableCollViewis less obvious
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<ddfreyne> Yup.
<ddfreyne> I put off switching to RSpec for far too long. RSpec is awesome.
<yorickpeterse> tl;dr openssl doesn't appear to be thread-safe
<yorickpeterse> gotta rule out PEBKAC first though to be 100% sure
<apeiros> yorickpeterse: it's even worse
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<yorickpeterse> of course it doesn't fail on MRI
<apeiros> even if it was not thread-safe, what you did should work
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<yorickpeterse> apeiros: that assumes the C ext doesn't share mutable state
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<yorickpeterse> well, looks like I finally figured out what's causing https://github.com/aws/aws-sdk-ruby/issues/455
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<apeiros> yorickpeterse: of course. I understand why it does not work.
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<yorickpeterse> well
<yorickpeterse> looks like I have to patch OpenSSL this weekend
<yorickpeterse> ._.
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<yorickpeterse> multi-threading? why would one want that?
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<ddfreyne> It's mIt'such moref scalaaster.ble.
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<ledestin> that's funny
<yorickpeterse> ha
<apeiros> ddfreyne: remembering having seen that tweet. wondered what you were doing there…
<yorickpeterse> clearly it's photoshopped
<yorickpeterse> just look at the pixels
<apeiros> (obviously curl in some fashion in threads)
<yorickpeterse> ok now lets play the game of "where the fuck does MRI define this method in C"
<ddfreyne> apeiros: read a list of URLs from a file, fetch them in parallel.
<ddfreyne> (And shell out to curl, which is not ideal by far, but it does the job. No need for fancy solutiosn for a one-off task)
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<yorickpeterse> did you know shelling out isn't thread-safe either?
<yorickpeterse> Always pretty funny to debug "why the F is my output garbled"
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<ddfreyne> I think I am going to stop indenting like this:
<ddfreyne> Beautiful indentation. Ruined.
<yorickpeterse> there's a vim plugin for that
<ddfreyne> It makes diffs look ugly though. Although there is ?w=1 I guess.
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<foucist> if you have class Photo and class Message::Photo, and you're inside Message class, and use Photo. does it look at Message::Photo first ?
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<[k-> i think so
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<ddfreyne> foucist: yes
<[k-> try ::Photo to force it to look at the global namespace
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<yorickpeterse> of course looking at this openssl code there's nothing obvious standing out as being unsafe for threads
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<foucist> seems strange that rspec acts like it's hitting Photo class instead of Message::Photo
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<yorickpeterse> Hmmm....seems the regular Digest module also has the same problem
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<LEDIMAR> :-*
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<BanzaiJoe> croissant, egg, sausage links cut in half, swiss cheese, heaven!
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<JEG2> I made a video where I read some Ruby code and show off several conventions and tricks: https://codalyzed.com/ ($3 off coupon for the interested: RUBYIRC).
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<wallerdev> link doesnt work
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<Kortes> test
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<Kortes> Hey guys! Im stuck at a dumb problem, maybe you can help me out...
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<Kortes> i have this code:
<Kortes> class Hanoi
<Kortes> attr_accessor :size , :finished, :moves, :wrong_moves, :towers
<Kortes> def initialize(size=6)
<Kortes> @size = size
<Kortes> @finished = false
<Kortes> @moves = 0
<Kortes> @wrong_moves = 0
<Kortes> @towers = [[*(1..@size)],[],[]]
<Kortes> end
<Kortes> def self.translate(x)
<Kortes> case x
<Kortes> when 1, "a", "first"
<Kortes> 0
<Kortes> when 2, "b", "second"
<Kortes> 1
<Kortes> when 3, "c", "third"
<Kortes> 2
<Kortes> end
<Kortes> end
<Kortes> def self.user_move(move)
<Kortes> move = downcase.chomp.split.delete_if { |word| (/(to)|(pile)|(from)|(move)/) =~ word}
<Kortes> array = []
<Kortes> array << translate(move.first)
<Kortes> array << translate(move.last)
<yorickpeterse> Please don't paste code in IRC
<Kortes> array
<Kortes> end
<Kortes> def self.help
<yorickpeterse> apeiros: ^
<Kortes> puts " This is Towers of Hanoi bitch!!"
<Kortes> #
<Kortes> end
<Kortes> def self.finished?
<Kortes> #
<Kortes> @finished = true if @towers[1] == [1..@size] || @towers[1] == [1..@size]
<Kortes> end
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<yorickpeterse> ty officer
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<apeiros> thanks for pinging
<Kortes> that was pretty friendly
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<apeiros> we try to be friendly
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<Kortes> awesome attempt
<imperator> hm, thought this channel had an auto-kick if you tried to paste too much
<yorickpeterse> Kortes: read the /topic
<yorickpeterse> plus I gave you a heads up
<imperator> Kortes, please use a github gist
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<apeiros> imperator: hm, I don't think there was one. if so then maybe by conundrum, but haven't seen that bot in a while.
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<imperator> apeiros, does freenode provide any sort of baked in utilities we could use?
<apeiros> I don't think so. but you can check /cs help
<apeiros> maybe there's other services. they probably say which one on the website (iirc atheme or somesuch)
* imperator looks up flood limits
<yorickpeterse> clients may trigger a warning for a certain amount of lines, but I don't think Freenode ever had something in place other than a messages/sec limit IIRC
<yorickpeterse> Kortes: and what's the problem?
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<Kortes> thing is it says the method is not defined, i dont understand why
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<Kortes> if i call it game.user_move its undefined, if i call it user_move its also undefined
<yorickpeterse> Because you defined them as class methods
<yorickpeterse> "def self.XXXX" defines a class method "XXXX"
<yorickpeterse> So you'd call it like Hanoi.XXXX
<yorickpeterse> remove the "self." and you should be good to go
<Kortes> but if game is an instance of the class, shouldnt game.method work?
<yorickpeterse> No
<yorickpeterse> Because the methods are not instance methods
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<Kortes> ohhhh ok so let me see im getting this correctly
<yorickpeterse> say you have a class Foo
<yorickpeterse> class Foo; def self.whatever; end; end
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<yorickpeterse> This allows you to do Foo.whatever
<yorickpeterse> But not Foo.new.whatever
<Kortes> when i define a class, methods as self.method is for class and can only be called with a Class.method , and instance methods are defined inside the class without the self.
<yorickpeterse> Yes
<Kortes> oh man
<Kortes> thanks yorick
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<yorickpeterse> np
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<yorickpeterse> unrelated news, the mozilla public license is a PITA to read
<yorickpeterse> the MIT license I can understand, but this one is a new level of wtf
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<elev> can soneone check whats wrong in my code?
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<elev> so..??
<yorickpeterse> elev: what is the problem with it and what did you expect it to do?
<rio> elev: :3:in `<main>': undefined local variable or method `yes' for main:Object (NameError)
<rio> you should listen to the interpreter
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<elev> I want it to say: I dont help noobs if you type in help
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<yorickpeterse> then you'll need to quote "yes"
<elev> then there is an end
<elev> who is wrong
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<Ox0dea> Kortes: Why "oh man"?
<rio> line 3 is wrong
<elev> ye I know
<yorickpeterse> if user_puts == "yes" is perfectly valid
<elev> wrong now:
<yorickpeterse> ... you did something completely different than what I proposed
<yorickpeterse> Here's what you need to do
<Kortes> "oh man" as in "wow it was so simple and i didn't see it"
<rio> line 2 is wrong now
<Kortes> with a little but of laughing in it ;)
<rio> also line 5 changed for no reason
<yorickpeterse> On line 3, change the == yes to == "yes"
<elev> I did that
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<elev> still something wrong
<rio> you also changed lines 2 and 5
<rio> why?
<elev> I didnt?
<yorickpeterse> elev: Yes you did
<elev> where?
<imperator> you've got a stray period at the end of chomp.
<elev> ahhhh
<elev> I got it
<elev> it was a .
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<yorickpeterse> and you removed "end" from line 5
<elev> ye
<elev> ok now I got it :)
<elev> thank guys
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<elev> I started ruby some weeks ago, need practise :D
<Kortes> elev check out coderbyte.com
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<elev> k
<Kortes> its for practice ;)
<elev> is that for programming?
<elev> is it ruby?
<Ox0dea> elev: You should install a browser, friend.
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<elev> I got google chrome
<elev> I mena like, is it ruby code?
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<Ox0dea> elev: Hm... does your keyboard malfunction when you have your cursor in the address bar?
<elev> what? xD
<elev> My englich bad, sorry :P
<Ox0dea> Well, it must be the case that you aren't able to visit the site in question, so I'm trying to help you troubleshoot that particular problem. :P
<elev> I got to the site
<elev> it wanted me to code
<Ox0dea> Fancy that.
<elev> But I dont think it was ruby
<elev> it was javascript or something
<elev> you work with ruby?
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<rio> elev: click on "About", read what it says
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<Kortes> JAJAJA
<Kortes> elev, the site is about coding excercises
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<Kortes> when you choose to work in one of them, it allows you to choose in which language to answer it
<Kortes> you can select ruby
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<Kortes> try figuring it out by yourself first, its the best way to learn
<Kortes> :elev @elev #elev <elev>
<Kortes> how do you guys tag people on your comments?
<Kortes> [elev] (elev) =elev elev:
<toretore> @elev
<Kortes> @elev this is a test
<toretore> i learned this on twitter
<Kortes> it doesnt seem to work here tho, or do ijust see it as regular text and the tagged user as a tag ?
<Ox0dea> I suspect most IRC clients don't look for any particular sigil when deciding whether to notify.
<rio> .@toretore learns a lot on twitter
<Kortes> lol apparently
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<rio> Kortes: there's nothing called "tagging" in IRC, most clients "highlight" lines that match the users nickname surrounded by word boundaries, so it doesn't matter how you format it
<Kortes> im using limechat and it popped an alert when Ox0dea mentioned me a while ago
<Kortes> rio is your name highlighted in this comment?
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<Kortes> \brio\b
<Kortes> \b rio \b
<rio> yes
<Kortes> cool
<Ox0dea> xKortesx won't highlight you because your name doesn't occur on a word boundary.
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<Kortes> it did !
<Kortes> the x are white but kortes is orange
<Ox0dea> That's not good.
<Kortes> and it popped the alert ( i was onanother screen space) macBook pro
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<Kortes> its not?
<Ox0dea> I mean, your name is uncommon enough that you're unlikely to be highlighted by accident, but it would suck for somebody using a common-ish word as their handle.
<Kortes> your name also turns orange when you write a coment that puts my name orange
<rio> some clients even do that, but that has disadvantages when you say "priority" and i would get highlighted..
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<Kortes> lol yeah, that would be pretty annoying
<Kortes> now i see why thats your nickname Ox0dea
<Ox0dea> They're my initials.
<Kortes> seriously? where you from?
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<Ox0dea> The odds are greater than 1% for somebody to have hexadecimal initials, so it's not crazy-rare.
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<Ox0dea> That's assuming a normal distribution, though, which is certainly not the case.
<Kortes> what do you consider hexadecimal initials?
<Ox0dea> A-F?
<Ox0dea> Because those are the letters you can use in hexadecimal notation?
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<Kortes> whats the Ox0 ?
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<Ox0dea> "0x" is the standard prefix used to annotate a hexadecimal number; 0x10 is 16, not 10.
<Ox0dea> I had to use a capital O, though, because IRC handles can't begin with a digit.
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<Ox0dea> I decided to pad it to four digits to make it pronounceable.
<Kortes> thats pretty cool i like it
<Kortes> i bet you never get the "username taken" problem
<apeiros> Ox0dea: re irc nicks can't begin with a digit - see 7F1AALP94 in this room? :)
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<apeiros> had to update my parser for this annoying behavior of freenode's ircd :<
<yorickpeterse> "666peterse: Erroneous Nickname" :<
<Ox0dea> Kortes: Not sure how 7F1AALP94 managed that one, but I bet there's an interesting story there.
<apeiros> yes, you can't set your nick to one with a digit yourself. but the ircd can.
<yorickpeterse> huh
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<Kortes> i bet you've tried this already, how does your hex nick translate into a color hex?
<apeiros> which violates all irc related rfcs :(
<Kortes> i got blue xD
<Ox0dea> It's not particularly pleasant.
<Kortes> would you call that booger green?
<Kortes> lol
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<Kortes> im building a towers of hanoi game, with 6 discs, i only need to move the sixth out of the original tower and halfway i start going back and end up with 6 at the bottom jajaja this game is addicting, Cesar's got some real brainz
<Kortes> BOOM GOT IT!
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<Kortes> so i finish the game to find an error in the finished def, shit. now i need to finish the game again to see if its fixed!
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<Ox0dea> Kortes: This is one of those very rare circumstances wherein your test suite and your AI could be one and the same!
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<Kortes> hey guys
<wallerdev> hayyyyy
<Kortes> has any of you attended a programming bootcamp ?
<wallerdev> there was someone here that was attending one a few months ago
<wallerdev> dont remmeber who
<Kortes> what did you do, study computer science?
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<wallerdev> i did that
<Kortes> cool, im just asking cause i want to get in to App Academy
<Kortes> but i want to be pretty comfortable solving the problems at coderbyte and excercises as such before the final test
<Kortes> and its been a few months, i was wondering if they would think i was taking too long or if it didnt matter
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<Kortes> i guess it wont when i nail the test
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<Kortes> when i try typing in the #ruby channel it says (404): #ruby Cannot send to channel , do you guys have any clue of why?
<bougyman> no
<bougyman> because it's moderated or requires +i, probably
<bougyman> whatever rules they decide
<weaksauce> Kortes you probably need to register
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<Kortes> it still wont allow me
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<Kortes> is there a line i can write to check that i am logged in?
<Kortes> or allowed?
<Kortes> server properties is set with the password, this is weird
<Kortes> info kortes
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<Kortes> Nickserv
<Kortes> help Nickserv
<Kortes> Nickserv Identify
<Kortes> IDENTIFY
<jhass> Kortes: you need to prefix with /msg
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<Kortes> on listchans it says no channel access was found for the nickname
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<Kortes> how can i get access to #ruby?
<Kortes> first time i ever logged in here i could type in it, now i cant i dont know why. I never got banned or kicked or anything on it
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<jhass> yeah, some op unilaterally decided to make it regged only, we're still seeking to convince him otherwise
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<jhass> for now: /msg Nickserve help register
<jhass> NickServ not NickServe, sorry
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<Kortes> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Kortes dnjqoyzrmyfu
<weaksauce> all I see is hunter
<Kortes> /msg NickServ VERIFY REGISTER Kortes dnjqoyzrmyfu
<Kortes> do you guys see that line i just typed with the /msg?
<weaksauce> Kortes you are not messaging the correct way
<Kortes> this is confusing...
<jhass> Kortes: don't put a space in front
<Kortes> it said to type that in in the email
<weaksauce> what are you using for irc?
<jhass> Kortes: and consider that password void for everything
<Kortes> ooooh
<Kortes> yeah i know im just testing this thing x_x
<Kortes> im in limechat
<Kortes> jajaja damn space
<Kortes> YES!!! Thanks guys, you're awesome
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<Kortes> when it asks for my key, is it refering to the current password?
<jhass> what's the full message?
<Kortes> doing this
<Kortes> Syntax: SETPASS <account> <key> <newpass>
<jhass> yeah, that should be the current one
<Kortes> let me try again
<jhass> ah no, you want SET PASSWORD
<Kortes> jajaja this is crazy man
<Kortes> yessss got it
<Kortes> you the man jhass
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