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ljarvis >
do we have an irc logger in here that goes back ~12 months?
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ljarvis >
filtering is limited :/
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yorickpeterse >
I think I have logs somewhere going back to 2012 but they're on an S3 bucket I can't access from here
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gist searching sucks too
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what are you looking for?
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ljarvis >
some code I wrote ages ago
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I'll just rewrite it
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yorickpeterse >
grep require_ lib/foo.rb | wc -l # => 160
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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yorickpeterse >
granted those are require + require_relative calls
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yorickpeterse >
I actually greatly prefer requires over autoloading
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ljarvis >
how? require_ doesn't match "require "
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yorickpeterse >
at least you know when it's loaded and where
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yorickpeterse >
ljarvis: errr good point
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yorickpeterse >
derp
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yorickpeterse >
196 inc regular require calls
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ljarvis >
ag require | wc -l #=> 1164
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yorickpeterse >
heh
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ljarvis >
ah wait ag includes lots of shit
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ljarvis >
meh grep is too slow
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ljarvis >
but that's AN ENTIRE APP NOT ONE FILE
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yorickpeterse >
oh, we just dump our requires in main lib file usually
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yorickpeterse >
in unrelated news, I really like Sequel
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yorickpeterse >
especially because it makes composition/reusability of queries super nice
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sandelius >
is autoload deprecated, or will be, or not?
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apeiros >
sandelius: not
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apeiros >
it was supposed to become deprecated, but they did not.
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sandelius >
apeiros ok so they changed their mind?
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apeiros >
but afair headius said something about it still having issues.
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apeiros >
they changed their mind and fixed (a part of?) the issues
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sandelius >
apeiros ok that sounds pretty good. I really like the autolaod
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yorickpeterse >
grmbl autoload
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ljarvis >
autoload is awful
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imperator >
why's that?
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[k- >
im sure there are loads of articles on that (pun intended)
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ljarvis >
there's really no need for it
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imperator: my main gripes are 1) they don't solve an existing problem 2) they make debugging harder as the constant isn't present until referenced
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yorickpeterse >
for 1) if shit takes forever to start up because of all sorts of code running then
_that_ is the problem, this should be fixed by not making crazy amounts of code run
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yorickpeterse >
For me it's mainly the debugging aspect though
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yorickpeterse >
If I start an app I want it to have whatever it needs so tools don't first need to trigger a constant reference for the corresponding constant to be loaded
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imperator >
there was some discussion of removing it in 2.3 wasn't there?
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ljarvis >
there's been discussion about removing it for years
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ljarvis >
because of the thread-safety (or lack of)
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yorickpeterse >
thread-safety should be ok now
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yorickpeterse >
Then again MRI doesn't have concurrency
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ljarvis >
hence keeping it
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bougyman >
concurrency is MRI just means many unix processes.
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[k- >
but that's laziness
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[k- >
we must embrace laziness
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yorickpeterse >
bougyman: I hope you have plenty of RAM to feed those pesky Rails processes
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bougyman >
I didn't say rails.
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bougyman >
i'm the railskiller.
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apeiros >
yorickpeterse: <pedantry>MRI has concurrency. what it lacks is parallelism.</pedantry>
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yorickpeterse >
It doesn't really have concurrency either
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apeiros >
yes, it does.
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yorickpeterse >
well, unless you include processes
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yorickpeterse >
fine, parallelism
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apeiros >
I guess you should read up on the difference between concurrency and parallelism
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apeiros: I'm well aware of the definitions
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apeiros >
then I don't see how you can claim ruby had no concurrency.
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yorickpeterse >
note above the "well, unless you include processes"
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apeiros >
I did. and It has without processes.
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apeiros >
threads
*are* concurrent. they're just not parallel.
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yorickpeterse >
Either way, autoloading is still acting up for me on JRuby 1.7 and until recently was still borken on Rubinius
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sadly been unable to actually get a solid repro on JRuby
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Is it OK to have a pomodoro that is 25 minutes of "fuck off"? Somehow I think that runs counter ;)
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BanzaiJoe >
Question about under the hood...
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BanzaiJoe >
when I type 5.times, I don't really understand what's really going on with times method. So I type do .class to find out what it really is. Says Enumerator
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BanzaiJoe >
I check out the docs, it has Enumberables though no -ator with no assigned .times method
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BanzaiJoe >
err wait, I seem to have stumbled on 1.9.3 docs, will dig for 2.2
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BanzaiJoe >
OK, so now my question is... "Is .times method really each_with_object"??
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dagda1 >
can I render an html string from a route in sinatra?
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waxjar >
cool yorickpeterse, congrats!
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imperator >
show me the benchmarks!
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ljarvis >
nice one yorickpeterse
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yorickpeterse, and how do i run them exactly?
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imperator >
got it cloned, didn't see a rake task for it though
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darix >
yorickpeterse: just curious why MPL-2.0?
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yorickpeterse >
imperator: bundle install, "rake fixtures generate", then just "ruby benchmark/path/to/file.rb"
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yorickpeterse >
vs Apache v2: I can't really read apache v2 well (though MPL is also a bit painful at times), and I don't like that it requires you to list noteworthy changes (whatever that means) on a per file basis
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darix >
yorickpeterse: AGPL-3.0 :p
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darix >
package updated
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yorickpeterse >
AGPL?
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yorickpeterse >
Hm, don't think I ever heard of that one
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darix >
it is basically GPL + "even if you just run a hosted version without giving out binaries/code, you have to give back your modifications"
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yorickpeterse >
oh, I'm not a huge fan of GPL actually
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darix >
i think for webapps it is actually not the worst license
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yorickpeterse >
I very much
_want_ people to use my stuff in proprietary systems, though LGPL makes that a bit less of a PITA
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darix >
(unless you try to do open core busisness)
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yorickpeterse >
I also don't care about the "give back your modifications" part
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yorickpeterse >
Really the only 3 things I care about are 1) making it impossible for others to hold me liable for anything 2) patents not screwing me over 3) source code being disclosed
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yorickpeterse >
(in that order)
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yorickpeterse >
Granted, living outside of the US makes it less likely for patent trolls to ever go after me
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bougyman >
i've been going the other thay.
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bougyman >
using the wtfpl
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yorickpeterse >
ergh, what's status 127 again
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yorickpeterse >
isn't that SIGSEGV?
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yorickpeterse >
bougyman: I want an actual license, something OSI/FSF approved
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darix >
yorickpeterse: i would bet it is "no such file or directory" :)
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yorickpeterse >
oh hm, command not found
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yorickpeterse >
imperator: derp, you need ragel
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imperator >
oh, right
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yorickpeterse >
I think I put that in the README somewhere
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darix >
yorickpeterse: you could ship it intree and build it if people dont have it! ;)
*scnr*
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yorickpeterse >
oh hm, I didn't
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darix >
yorickpeterse: 1.0.1 incoming?
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imperator >
brew install ragel, worked like a champe
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yorickpeterse >
darix: heh no
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yorickpeterse >
wtf
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yorickpeterse >
did you run "rake generate" or "rake compile"?
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yorickpeterse >
or just "rake"?
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imperator >
rake compile + rake fixtures generate
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imperator: can you try just running "rake" followed by "rake fixtures"?
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imperator >
yorickpeterse, worked fine, all tests passed
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aha, there we go, working now
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hm, odd
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and the winner is.....ox (sorry)
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yorickpeterse >
I know
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yorickpeterse >
Ox > Nokogiri > Oga > REXML
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yorickpeterse >
Considering Ox is pure C, XML only and designed for bear metal performance it's not really surprising
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what's the apples to apples with HTML in Nokogiri vs Oga ?
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yorickpeterse >
bougyman: what do you mean?
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bougyman >
imperator2's number but with html.
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yorickpeterse >
oh, not sure if I set up a benchmark for that
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yorickpeterse >
but the numbers are probably similar
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bougyman >
would be a good one.
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bougyman >
especially with html5.
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bougyman >
nokogiri can't leverage libxml much for that.
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yorickpeterse >
oh?
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bougyman >
html5 isn't valid xml, no?
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I'm pretty sure libxml supports HTML
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apeiros >
I want some bear metal too!
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bear. metal. jacket.
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bougyman: html5 is its own thing. it's iirc not even sgml like the old htmls
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apeiros: I know.
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bougyman: well, you asked…
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that's why I think Oga would have a better standing in an html5 parsing benchmark (could have)
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yorickpeterse: (nit: bare metal)
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zenspider: bear metal sounds better :p
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zenspider >
bear metal is much much scarier
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reminds me on the story from the ig nobel prize of the guy building an armor for himself to spend time with a grizzly
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darix >
didnt go as expected
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or rather as expected
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darix: doesn't that have a documentary about it?
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or was that some other crazy bear lover?
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I think that's the one I'm thinking of
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yeah. herzog
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ah yeah. same guy
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Hi, can someone help me with a basic testing question?
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Do minetest assertions run seperately, or are they dependent? I run three test, they work. I unskip a fourth, three test fail
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Anyone here?
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