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<joway> Anyone familiar with CSV?
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<crome_> there is a tricky question coming, I feel it deep inside
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<Gurpartap> a___: ok. so it just started to work.
<shevy> joway a little, it is just comma separated data
<shevy> where comma could be a tab or anything else too
<crome_> and shevy just walked right into the trap
<joway> lol
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<Gurpartap> a___: the problem is still reproducible, however, when i use a os x workstation to build a Dockerfile (connected to docker on a host running ubuntu)
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<Gurpartap> $ bundle exec thin start
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<Gurpartap> running the build command on the host machine itself made it work though.
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<Gurpartap> i think it’s a bug with docker.
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<RustyShackleford> I'm trying to learn ruby by solving project euler problems
<RustyShackleford> the one I'm working on uses a prime sieve. So I'm loading an array with a bunch of numbers
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<RustyShackleford> should I be looping through the array with iterators?
<Lewix> do you intend to do all the problems ^^
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<RustyShackleford> so lets say we're at 2. I need to cross off all multiples of two. The best way i can think of involves keeping an index and accessing a[2i]
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<RustyShackleford> Lewix, nope I'm not quite that smart
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<lucianosousa> RustyShackleford: are u looking for this? http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Enumerable.html#method-i-each_with_index
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<havenwood> just realized i don't have to work tomorrow ;)
<Nowaker> hda -> hdb. sdc -> sdd. sdz -> sea. Do you have any clever idea on how to solve this?
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<crome_> >> 'sdz'.succ
<eval-in____> crome_ => "sea" (https://eval.in/186290)
<joway> shevy & friends: r.times { p data[(enum.next)][21].to_i } data comes from CSV, it's numbers. I want to add them all together. Any ideas?
<Nowaker> crome_: heh, didn't know that. thanks!
<crome_> you're welcome
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<Nowaker> seems we have everything in ruby. so lovely a language ;3
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<crome> you mean so lovely a stdlib ;>
<Nowaker> so lovely a ruby stdlib
<Nowaker> ;3
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<RustyShackleford> maybe I'll write this, then you tell me how to write it more idiomatically
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<RustyShackleford> like when I learned python, I didn't use all the nice shorthand syntax
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<RustyShackleford> loops using indices instead of for... in, for example
<crome> the point is not to write short code, the point is to write readable code
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<crome> unless you do codegolf, of course
<RustyShackleford> well thats not exactly what I'm getting at
<RustyShackleford> my point is that I want to do things the ruby way
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<crome> ruby is a terrible language meaning it makes it way too easy to write horribly difficult to figure out code "the ruby way"
<crome> like perl, really
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<crome> just chain and nest some blocks and voila, 1 line
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<crome> (and I know it's still not what you were getting at)
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<jhass> RustyShackleford: good idea, do that. Write some code, post it here, ask for suggestions
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<RustyShackleford> python can also be like that
<RustyShackleford> "look I solved the problem in one line!"
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<RustyShackleford> too bad noone can read it
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<jhass> joway: rows.map {|row| row[21] }.inject(:+) ?
<jhass> really no idea what r is and enum.next is doing there
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<joway> jhass: the enum iterates 1..21, the r.times triggers the enum. perhaps there's a better way to iterate through data[x][21] ?
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<jhass> joway: like I've shown, rows = data
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<joway> jhess: Thanks, I'll try that.
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<jhass> joway: if you have a big table and need to avoid building an intermediate array, the a bit more verbose version: data.inject(0) {|sum, row| sum+row[21].to_i }
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<usinganalias> Hello all! I’m working on OSX right now and want to install RVM - if I type in ruby on the console after installing RVM, will RVM override the default ruby2.0.0 installed on OSX?
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<C0deMaver1ck> I switched to rbenv a while back, but I'm pretty sure until you set a global rvm installed version `which ruby` will still be the system installed
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<icy`> he left too fast
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<icy`> i was going to suggest ´rvm list´
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<havenwood> a Ruby encrusted sword ain't bad... :P http://bjorn.tipling.com/if-programming-languages-were-weapons
<sevenseacat> lol i like that
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<usinganalias> Hello all! Trying to install rvm via railstutorial and Michael Hartl says that he had to install using the —with-openssl-dir flag. Is that necessary or helpful? Why is it required?
<sevenseacat> probably due to osx fun and games
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<usinganalias> Thanks - I’ll give it a try w/out it then w/.
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<icy`> i kinda like that "if programming languages were weapons" bit
<icy`> ruby's was not negative; i guess the fact that the sword was unnecessarily shiny was...bad?
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<sevenseacat> shiny but no mention of substance
<icy`> i mean, it's still a sword
<icy`> he didnt say it was worse than an ordinary sword
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<icy`> and in very sunny weather, the shininess could blind the opponent
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<waxjar> "only used because it's shiny" implies it isn't of much use i guess
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<usinganalias> Hello all! Reading the rails tutorial and it says to run “bundle update”, then “bundle install” - why is that? Doesn’t bundle update install already?
<havenwood> usinganalias: `bundle` is an alias to `bundle install` and is the basic command
<usinganalias> My understanding is that “bundle update” updates your Gemfile.lock to the latest versions, then does “bundle install.” Is that accurate?
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<havenwood> usinganalias: `bundle` will create a Gemfile.lock if one doesn't exist, but `bundle update` will ignore the lock
<havenwood> usinganalias: so usually you `bundle update this_particular_gem`
<usinganalias> That makes sense - but why does the railstutorial recommend doing “bundle update” then “bundle install"?
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<havenwood> usinganalias: maybe the author was confused
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<usinganalias> Huh… that’s odd. I’ll just keep following the tutorial.
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<usinganalias> Just to check my understanding, havenwood, rails install goes off the Gemfile.lock, whereas rails update tosses the Gemfile.lock, regenerates it, then uses the new one?
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<havenwood> usinganalias: "[Y]ou should use bundle install to install the same exact gems and versions across machines. You would use bundle update to explicitly update the version of a gem."
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<havenwood> usinganalias: bundler not rails
<usinganalias> hahaha sorry - thanks, so from my understanding what I have is correct.
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<usinganalias> Thanks havenwood!
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<aedorn> hmph.. shiny.. Ruby is more like a cannon
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<work_op> are there any idiomatic CLI libraries? i want to use something like curses but more rubyish than rbcurse
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<usinganalias> Hello all! If I run “bundle install —without production” then “bundle install”, does the second bundle install read Gemfile.lock (and not install :production) or does it read the Gemfile (and install :production)?
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<usinganalias> Hello all! I am desperately confused over bundler. I’ve seen on the rails tutorial three lines: “bundle install —without production; bundle update; bundle install” which install and update gems without the production set (I’ve verified this works). My question: why doesn’t “bundle update” install and update the :production gems? I thought “bundle update” deleted your Gemfile.lock and reinstalled all gems from scratch.
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<mallu> Calling the script rubyscript.rb -a parm1 parm2 using optparse how to check to see if parm1 and parm2 are present when using -a
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<mallu> anyone?
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<cHarNe2_> mallu: ARGV ?
<cHarNe2_> mallu: not sure i understand
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<cHarNe2_> mallu: ohh, you are using some gem? i only use ARGV manually, sorry can help you :(
<mallu> rubyscript.rb -a parm1 parm2 How do you ensure that user is passing parm1 and parm2?
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<mallu> optparse is not a gem.. it comes with ruby
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<cHarNe2_> i never use parameters in my ruby, only flags for debug and such
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<cHarNe2_> ohh it does? then i might have to check it out
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<Hanmac> in the sample they need to be separated like this "x,y,z"
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<Gurpartap> a___: all i needed to do was add --path .bundle to bundle install in the Dockerfile
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<Gurpartap> for whatever reason, the gem and the C extension were installed in separate gem dirs without it.
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<maasha> Morn
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<maasha> Is there a way to get to the caller object from within a block? Foo.new { |bar| bar.inspect_foo }
* maasha was wandering about super
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<maasha> __callee__ ?
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<maasha> hm, nope
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<maasha> caller
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<jcxau> Hi all, just wondering if there is a way to define a class variable name from a string?
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<Hanmac> jcxau: i dont think you want a class variable i think you want a class instance variable
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<jcxau> Hanmac: I need a class var.
<Hanmac> Class#class_variable_get ... but dont say i didnt warn you
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<jcxau> Hanmac: Ahh! I have no idea why I couldnt find that, I figured they would exist same as instance_variable_set
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<Hanmac> class variables are for classes, so you need a class to access it ... but just i say i warn you that this might not be what you want
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<jcxau> Hanmac: understand.
<jcxau> and thank you.
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<maasha> binding_of_caller looks very handy. Is it widely used?
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<shock_one> We've been using it in every single Rails project. Didn't know it was written by banisterfiend.
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<Hanmac> maasha: if you havesomething like that: Foo.new { |bar| bar.inspect_foo } then either bar is an instance of Foo, or its use instance_exec and you can use self
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<maasha> Hanmac: right
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<DevAntoine> hi
<DevAntoine> I'm going crazy with rvm and gem
<DevAntoine> ➜ ~ ruby --version
<DevAntoine> ruby 2.1.2p95 (2014-05-08 revision 45877) [x86_64-linux]
<DevAntoine> but when I do: sudo gem install compass
<DevAntoine> /usr/lib/ruby/1.9.1/rubygems/custom_require.rb:36:in `require'
<JonnieCache> youre worrying about the 1.9.1?
<DevAntoine> why the fu-- it's refering to 1.9.1??????
<JonnieCache> it does that
<JonnieCache> theres some reason for it, but i cant remember what it is
<DevAntoine> JonnieCache: but it's normal? Even if I use 2.1.2?
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<JonnieCache> yeah ive seen it do that before
<DevAntoine> so what, I have a wrong ruby version? I hate those error eaning nothing for the user
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<JonnieCache> i know
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<DevAntoine> since this morning I'm fighting with ruby, npm, grunt
<DevAntoine> total waste of time
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<DevAntoine> it seems that I only need to install compass now, but either with 1.9.1 or 2.1.2 it's not working
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<jhass> DevAntoine: I hope you don't really mix sudo and RVM
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<DevAntoine> jhass: what do you mean?
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<jhass> how did you install rvm?
<DevAntoine> without sudo if I remember correctly
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<jhass> then forget that sudo exists
<DevAntoine> jhass: yes, you helped me a lot, I was always install gem using sudo
<DevAntoine> s/install/installing
<DevAntoine> now I'm using 1.9.1-dev and compass is installing
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<jhass> don't use sudo unless you can't explain why it can't possibly without
<jhass> unless you can*
<jhass> d'oh
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<jhass> meh, not fully awake yet ;P
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<DevAntoine> rah, I think I failed hard this morning
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<DevAntoine> friday I had to install rvm to use ruby 2 to install jekyll
<DevAntoine> and this morning when launching grunt test on another project I had an issue with compass
<DevAntoine> obviously because compass wasn't installed on ruby2 yet
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<DevAntoine> so I messed up with npm, node, deleted all the shit, reinstalling everything, crying with sudo and proxy
<DevAntoine> but all I had to do was installing compass locally with this new ruby's version
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<DevAntoine> a wasted morning because I'm a ruby noob :|
<DevAntoine> at least I've learned it the hard way...
<jhass> all just because you don't understand sudo and still blindly apply it ;P
<workmad3> jhass: sudo all the things!!!!
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<DevAntoine> jhass: well, before using rvm I had to use sudo to install gems
<jhass> yes, but you can't explain why
<jhass> that's my point
<Hanmac> workmad3: you are a doctorWho fan ne, whats your opinion about the new Opening of the newest season?
<jhass> then you applied it again without understanding the implications
<workmad3> Hanmac: yes, and so far it's been pretty crap IMO
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<Hanmac> hm ok imo the newest opening doesnt loooked that bad compared to the other ones ... hm an i didnt meant the episode itself ..
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<DevAntoine> jhass: yes I can, because ruby was installed globally on my system (classic installation without rvm), so I had to use sudo to install gems globally. Now that ruby is installed locally (in my home?) using rvm, gems are installed locally too in the right ruby version's folder
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<DevAntoine> that's right jhass ?
<workmad3> Hanmac: the opening sequence change is symbolic of the new, low standard... 'lets get rid of this classic representation of the time vortex that we've built up for decades... and replace it with a steampunk set of gears and clocks'
<Hanmac> hm ok i liked the steampunk design somehow ... but i will let me suprise how the episdoes will develop
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<workmad3> Hanmac: I like steampunk... I just dislike that they've basically gone 'no, this view of the time vortex is too over the head of our viewers... lets really hammer home that this show is about time by blasting them with clocks in the opening sequence!'
<Hanmac> workmad3: hm did you notice that the garden in the end of episode S08E01 is the same in "the Girl who Waited" where amy was trapd on that planet ?
<workmad3> hadn't noticed that, no :P
<jhass> DevAntoine: that's still the symptoms of what sudo does actually do (changing the environment and the child processes uid and gid)
<DevAntoine> jhass: what are you talking about?
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<jhass> compare env to sudo env, id to sudo id etc.
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<Hanmac> workmad3: https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8301712384/hD7AFDC3C/ << "Coincidence? maybe not ;P"
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<Hanmac> workmad3: hm do you watch GravityFalls too? i found that funny picture showing the difference of the newest season with the older ones https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8294075648/h43EF6C59/ ;P ( with the title "Is This the Right Channel? = DisneyXD")
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<workmad3> Hanmac: not seen gravity falls, no
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<DevAntoine> jhass: I'm not really sure what you mean, but I'll be glad to have this conversation in 2h, when I'll be back ;)
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<Hanmac> workmad3: oh ok then i think you should watch it ;P
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<cHarNe2> hmm, is there a better way to get a hash from a string? http://pastie.org/9518810
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<Hanmac> cHarNe2:
<Hanmac> >> require "uri"; URI.decode_www_form("sms=true&data=true&talk=false").to_h
<eval-in____> Hanmac => {"sms"=>"true", "data"=>"true", "talk"=>"false"} (https://eval.in/186462)
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<cHarNe2> Hanmac: <3
<Hanmac> cHarNe2: for older versions, replace a.to_h with Hash[a] because to_h was not defined yet
<cHarNe2> ok
<Hanmac> depending what ruby version you have
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<puppeh> I'm trying to understand when an "argument oout of range" error is raised when using http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Time.html#method-c-utc
<puppeh> can somebody explain in more detail than the original doc?
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<workmad3> puppeh: Time.utc(2014, 26)
<puppeh> for ex. when passing a `usec` value, when is it out of range?
<workmad3> puppeh: when it's > 1 second's worth of microseconds? :P
<puppeh> I see, because the month cannot be greater than 12, but what about usec?
<puppeh> oh
<puppeh> so when usec > 999999
<puppeh> an argument error is raised..
<workmad3> >> Time.utc(2014, 1, 1,1,1,1, 200000000)
<eval-in____> workmad3 => argument out of range (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/186464)
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<puppeh> I see, this also throws it: Time.utc(2014, 12,12,5,23,12,1000000)
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<puppeh> and with usec == 999999 it's fine
<workmad3> puppeh: there you go ;)
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<cHarNe2> Hanmac: works like a charm
<puppeh> and this is standard behavior for also Time.new, Time.utc, Time.local uh?
<workmad3> puppeh: I'd guess so
<puppeh> so when usec is > 999999 an argument error should be raised?
<workmad3> puppeh: you could try :P
<puppeh> :) thx
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<DevAntoine> jhass: re
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<mostlybadfly> buenos dias
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<shevy> code code code
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<aedorn> code is hard
<shevy> yeah
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<shevy> it would be nice if we could simplify it
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<aedorn> we can simplify it with more frameworks!
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<shevy> :(
<shevy> they become bigger and larger
<shevy> or their own language
<shevy> like rails
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<shevy> that python 2 vs. 3 makes me angry
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<shevy> so many software out there requires python in order to be compiled
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<Hanmac> if i remember there is a similar clinch between gtk2 and gtk3 ... seams that the version jump from 2.0 to 3.0 is more cursed than others ...
<sevenseacat> rails 2 vs rails 3 too :P
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<aedorn> ruby 3 is gonna sucks then
<jhass> ruby 3 == mruby ?
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<AlexRussia> hi folks
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<AlexRussia> where in official documentation information about associativity binary operators?
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<AlexRussia> jhass: as i know, precendence mean priority one operators to other, but what if operator same? xD
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<jhass> left to right
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<AlexRussia> jhass: always?
<jhass> pretty much
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<AlexRussia> jhass: i guess, 2**1**2 dont think that :D
<Mon_Ouie> Not for e.g. **
<Mon_Ouie> Also not for the assignment operator '='
<jhass> there are probably special cases to make 2**1**2 work so it becomes 2**(1**2) instead of (2**1)**2
<AlexRussia> jhass: yes, i get it
<AlexRussia> jhass: just i didn't found anything about it in docs
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<AlexRussia> jhass: like Fixnum#**
<jhass> ruby still isn't the best documented language out there unfortunately
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<wasamasa> why must it share that characteristic with lisp
<AlexRussia> jhass: so, khm, who cares about documentation for i will talking about that with him? xD
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: oh, lisp is fun, and recursive, and again fun, and again recursive
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<wasamasa> AlexRussia: no doubts, but I can't believe how schemers can live without docstrings
<wasamasa> AlexRussia: and common lispers with their 80% solutions
<AlexRussia> jhass: they are authors of http://ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.1/doc/syntax/precedence_rdoc.html ?
<wasamasa> AlexRussia: and ruby with both
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<jhass> AlexRussia: I don't think there's _the_ author
<jhass> you send patches, just like for code
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: thats just mathematical prooved etc....
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<AlexRussia> wasamasa: but probabily because they support concept of 'black box'
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<AlexRussia> wasamasa: you know, something should come in, some thing come out, but you shouldn't care what inside of
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<AlexRussia> jhass: but this 'band' are active in patching documentation?
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<jhass> I don't know, I just googled
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<AlexRussia> jhass: i hate u :D
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<AlexRussia> wasamasa: and probabily they have readable autocompletion ;)
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<wasamasa> AlexRussia: I don't have the slightest idea what the hell you're speaking of
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: i guess, it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_box
<wasamasa> I don't know either *why* you're speaking of black boxes
<AlexRussia> wasamasa: probabily, because 'no doubts, but I can't believe how schemers can live without docstrings'?
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<mousa> I am trying to install qtbindings on mac, but getting errors. I have installed Ruby, QT and cmake.
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<AlexRussia> mousa: QT mean Quick Time?
<puppeh> when a :nsec would considered to be invalid?
<puppeh> if it was > 999999999?
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<puppeh> (I mean in the context of a `Time` object)
<puppeh> ie. an ArgumentError (out of range) would be thrown
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<mousa> AlexRussia, QT the C++ gui library
<AlexRussia> mousa: Qt
<AlexRussia> mousa: not QT
<AlexRussia> mousa: ;)
<mousa> ok, I'll try to keep that in mind in the future
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<AlexRussia> mousa: and now: i don't use mac, sorry :D
<momomomomo> mousa: tl;dr: use homebrew
<AlexRussia> mousa: ou, and, official logo good proof? xD https://qt-project.org/uploads/image_upload/Qt_5_3_banner.png
<jhass> puppeh: if you can't look up on wikipedia how many nanoseconds a microsecond has, why don't you just try the (10**n)-1 for n > 0 until it fails?
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<puppeh> i know how many it has
<puppeh> 1000
<puppeh> so if nsec > 999 then it's invalid uh?
<shevy> mousa might be that it is outdated
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<jhass> puppeh: do you know irb?
<puppeh> I do
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<jhass> what's so hard about trying that out?
<puppeh> that Time.now does not accept nsecs
<shevy> puppeh nano means 9, so one nansecond is one second * 10 to the power of -9
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<shevy> *nanosecond
<mousa> momomomomo, I was trying "gem install qtbindings" as recommended https://github.com/pmros/troshka/wiki/How-to-install-Qt-Bindings
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<AlexRussia> mousa: but, what version qt do you have? as i know, this gem support only 4.x branch
<workmad3> puppeh: it does... as a fractional part of the usec param :P
<puppeh> ok so it can't be bigger than 999999999
<momomomomo> mousa: have you installed command line tools?
<mousa> momomomomo, I did use homebrew to install Qt and cmake though
<puppeh> workmad3: yes but I want to test it as an integer
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<workmad3> >> Time.now(2014, 1, 1, 1,1,1, 1.2234)
<eval-in____> workmad3 => wrong number of arguments (7 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/186554)
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<workmad3> >> Time.now(2014, 1, 1, 1,1,1, 1.2234).nsec
<eval-in____> workmad3 => wrong number of arguments (7 for 0) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/186555)
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<momomomomo> mousa: have you installed command line tools?
<workmad3> >> Time.utc(2014, 1, 1, 1,1,1, 1.2234).nsec
<eval-in____> workmad3 => 1223 (https://eval.in/186556)
<mousa> AlexRussia, Qt 4.6.8
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<momomomomo> mousa: yes o rno
<workmad3> puppeh: how are you intending to test it?
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<momomomomo> ...
<AlexRussia> mousa: and i am not sure, but maybe it should be equally?(verion gem and Qt)
<mousa> momomomomo, I used the command line tools, could you be specific on which on you are talking about?
<momomomomo> mousa: Did you go into XCode (or via command line) and install 'Command Line Tools'
<workmad3> puppeh: if you're just wrapping up a Time.utc or similar helper, I'm assuming you'll just divide the usec by 1000 to get a float? if so, why not just pass that on to Time.utc and let that handle the range error
<mousa> momomomomo, I installed Ruby, gem, Qt library and cmake
<workmad3> puppeh: because, unsurprisingly, the nsec top range == usec top range * 1000
<AlexRussia> mousa: ou, and this not your? https://github.com/ryanmelt/qtbindings/issues/8
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<momomomomo> mousa: The very first instruction is to install command line tools at https://github.com/pmros/troshka/wiki/How-to-install-Qt-Bindings
<momomomomo> Have you done that?
<momomomomo> it's a very simple question
<momomomomo> literally a yes or no response is needed
<mousa> momomomomo, I used the exact process mentioned there
<AlexRussia> mousa: from github:
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<AlexRussia> Tested Environments
<AlexRussia> --------------------
<momomomomo> ok, can you gist up your error to http://gist.github.com
<AlexRussia> Mac OSX 10.9.1 (Mavericks)
<mousa> momomomomo, installed everything using command prompt
<AlexRussia> XCode 5 (clang)
<AlexRussia> Brew - QT 4.8.6
<AlexRussia> Cmake 2.8.9
<AlexRussia> Ruby 2.0.0p353 - Must be compiled with clang (rvm install <version> --with-gcc=clang)
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<momomomomo> ^
<momomomomo> that's probably it
<mousa> momomomomo, but the last one didn't install properly, it ended with errors
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<momomomomo> what 'last one'
<momomomomo> can you gist up your errors
<AlexRussia> momomomomo: i guess, him Brew Qt too much old
<momomomomo> maybe AlexRussia but this is like pulling teeth
<mousa> momomomomo, last one is qtbindings
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<AlexRussia> momomomomo: too much fear? xD
<momomomomo> !gist
<helpa> http://gist.github.com - Put your codes online with pretty syntax highlighting and the ability to embed it into other pages.
<momomomomo> do that mousa
<workmad3> momomomomo: nah... they give you anathestic when they yank your teeth out... :P
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<workmad3> *anesthetic
<momomomomo> :O Funny story - while I was going under, the dentist asked me if I drank beer (was underage) and then as I started to drift away started asking "who gets you the beer?"
<momomomomo> I was like "What beeeeeeeeee......</conscious>"
<mousa> momomomomo, but I have the command line tools installed
<momomomomo> mousa I'm not going to help you if your next sentence isn't a link to a gist with your errors
<momomomomo> mousa: !code
<helpa> mousa: We cannot help you with your problem if you don't show us your code. Please put it on http://gist.github.com and give us the URL so we can see it.
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<AlexRussia> momomomomo: lol
<AlexRussia> momomomomo: first time fun story not fun :(
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<momomomomo> ha
<shevy> AlexRussia update your ruby version man
<AlexRussia> shevy: why i should?
<momomomomo> ?
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<jhass> says, ruby 1.8.7 shevy
<shevy> jhass I don't have ruby 1.8.7
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<jhass> you had for far too long
<momomomomo> shevy: you might have missed this, but that paste with ruby 2.0 was from a test environment
<AlexRussia> shevy: ruby 2.1.2p95 (2014-05-08 revision 45877) already old? :D
<jhass> shevy: everything on unicode yet?
<shevy> jhass why should I use unicode?
<momomomomo> AlexRussia: no, you're fine
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<AlexRussia> momomomomo: no, i told it for shevy
<momomomomo> disregard his comment :p
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<AlexRussia> shevy: because it....nice? xD
<jhass> shevy: because you don't need any other encoding and never need to think again which one you'll use now
<AlexRussia> UNICODE IS NICE
<shevy> jhass I am already in that position :)
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<jhass> and more importantly nobody else needs to figure out what the hell that stuff is you send them
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<shevy> why should their problem become mine?
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<mousa> here you go: http://pastebin.com/5hCtE6ds
<jhass> it's not a problem for you, just consistently use it everywhere
<AlexRussia> jhass: man, hell out....of there....always :D
<shevy> yeah it is not a problem for me
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<momomomomo> mousa: did you install ruby with sudo
<mousa> yes
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<momomomomo> don't do that
<shevy> Permission denied @ rb_sysopen - /Users/mousa/.rbenv/versions/2.1.2/lib/ruby/gems/2.1.0/gems/qtbindings-4.8.5.2/lib/Qt/qtruby4.rb
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<momomomomo> if you're using rvm, follow the instructions here mousa http://rvm.io/rvm/install
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<mousa> ruby --version
<mousa> ruby 2.1.2p95 (2014-05-08 revision 45877) [x86_64-darwin13.0]
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<momomomomo> but be sure to compile with the gcc=clang flag mousa
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<mousa> momomomomo, ok, let me check
<AlexRussia> mousa: 'make failed, exit code 2' dont scare u?
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<shevy> hehe
<Hanmac> yeah ... the problem with the different compilers for ruby libs and other gems ...
<AlexRussia> mousa: gcc? not cc?(maybe)
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<momomomomo> you all are confusing the issue
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<Hanmac> good that i dont have mac anymore so i dont need to care about that anymore
<momomomomo> there's no permission to use the files installed by the gem
<momomomomo> Hanmac: it's not even that difficult :p
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<AlexRussia> shevy: yes, 'kernel panic'? everything okay....
<shevy> I don't get these often
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<AlexRussia> shevy: i guess, him not be surprised even if Jobs revival
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<shevy> eh who cares about Jobs
<AlexRussia> shevy: i just thought, all apple folks loved him :D
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<Hanmac> momomomomo: it is if you need to test somethings with different compilers ... like gcc4.7+, gcc(system), clang(system) and clang(latest) ...
<Hanmac> because external libs, ruby and the bindings/gems all need to be build with the exact same compiler ... otherwise it will bite you in your ass
<momomomomo> Hanmac: point taken, but I guess if I'm doing that extensive of testing, I test with a VM of the environment I expect
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<workmad3> Hanmac: I had 'fun' at one point where I did an OS X SL upgrade and it managed to ruin my system zlib
<AlexRussia> shevy: isn't?
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<momomomomo> workmad3: you poor soul
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<workmad3> momomomomo: surprisingly, I managed to keep that system limping for something like 6 months before I just bit the bullet and did a clean install
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<momomomomo> so here's a secret: I went to help someone who is head of a tech department, who happened to remove system python after 2 hours of trying to install python
<momomomomo> that was a simpler fix though
<Hanmac> workmad3: thats why i prefer a system with a decent package management ... (with that and i do install stuff on my own i will see where i fucked up)
<momomomomo> installed the system version somewhere and symlink and slowly walk away...
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<workmad3> momomomomo: yeah... my issue was more along the lines of the 32/64bit dual dylib got messed up and wouldn't work with both archs... and I dared not move it and replace because a) at the time I didn't know how to compile a replacement and b) it was mostly ruby that was screwed up, not other stuff (although it could have been responsible for spotlight crapping out on that machine too, I guess)
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<momomomomo> workmad3: how did you manage to do that in the first place ha?
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<workmad3> momomomomo: no idea... it happened during an in-place upgrade from 10.5 to 10.6 :)
<momomomomo> :|
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<momomomomo> ok, my irc time is up this morning, gotta get stuff done
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<shevy> AlexRussia no idea, you don't really hear them mention him much at all really
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<shevy> I still find gcc more convenient for the user than llvm/clang
<shevy> same thing with cmake vs. autoconf
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<momomomomo> I'm glad that convenience doesn't drive everything
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<waxjar> clang sounds cooler than gcc
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<shevy> convenience is why worse software wins over better software
<shevy> hi php
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<shevy> wordpress
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<shevy> rails
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<AlexRussia> shevy: php?no, didn't hear :D and...hm, really? i did it
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<momomomomo> great, now I'm on a list
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<AlexRussia> momomomomo: list of what?
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<shevy> well we know that the major criminals are in "governments"
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<Hanmac> shevy did you hear? the Guantanamo problem is solving on its own ... like "The unit that houses the most notorious detainees is built on unstable ground" xDDD http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/01/us/politics/decaying-guantanamo-defies-closing-plans.html
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<AlexRussia> shevy: sure, is that ;)
<Hanmac> AlexRussia & shevy for the governments and the "police" every unsuspicious is a a potential suspicious
<AlexRussia> Hanmac: solving? how? they just executed them all? xD
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<Hanmac> pst! dont give them ideas!
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<gaussblurinc1> hi!
<gaussblurinc1> how to count number of lines of all files in project?
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<pontiki> find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 wc -l
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<Hanmac> gaussblurinc1: if you want to differ between code lines and comment lines, you might use some repository and then link your code like that https://www.openhub.net/p/rubywx
<warprobot> can you advise some articles on building own web server?
<gaussblurinc1> Hanmac: thanks
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<zlude> Hello guys, this Ruby image is....? http://tinyurl.com/mm8v25g
<zlude> why* Ruby image is this
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<workmad3> zlude: I think that was put together by someone who dislikes ruby and java :)
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<workmad3> zlude: and, going by the picture, doesn't actively hate PHP
<canton7> strange they've got such a high opinion of python and such a low opinion of ruby, when they're quite similar languages
<zlude> workmad3, who someone can dislikes ruby? wtf!
<workmad3> zlude: I can't think of another reason to associate ruby with a gun-dildo :)
<Mon_Ouie> Maybe it's the opposite! He actually believes people should make love, not war.
<zlude> canton7, exactly! ruby == python
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<canton7> I would say == :P
<zlude> :p
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* workmad3 dislikes python
<zlude> I'm really new in ruby/rails
<zlude> so sometimes i have fear
<zlude> I'm studying the right thing?
<zlude> i came from php
<workmad3> zlude: it's ok, most of us don't associate ruby with gun-dildos :)
<workmad3> zlude: I do associate PHP with this though: https://c2.staticflickr.com/8/7226/7095238893_5000f6e57d.jpg
<zlude> and ruby?
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<zlude> a pick axe? hah
<workmad3> zlude: that's not a pick axe...
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<sevenseacat> o.O at the picture for ruby
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<zlude> for me
<zlude> gun-dildos
<zlude> represents
<zlude> that ruby fucking
<zlude> all
<zlude> ahahah
<Mon_Ouie> u
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<zlude> why ruby is so slow running on windows? it's a problem with OS or how ruby is made? I use just mac/linux but i'm curious about windows, because i see some devs saying that it's terrible in windows
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<clarkk> how can find out why a certain gem is install (ie which other gems depend on it)?
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<jhass> clarkk: gem dependency -R gemname
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<clarkk> hi jhass
<clarkk> jhass: it gives the same output
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<clarkk> jhass: is there any way to get full info about a gem?
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<jhass> are you sure you're reading that correctly?
<clarkk> in npm for node, this would simply be, npm info package
<jhass> what's your gem --version
<clarkk> jhass: 2.2.2
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<clarkk> I believe I am reading it correctly
<jhass> and gem dependency -h lists the -R flag?
<clarkk> yes
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<jhass> well, quite different outputs for me
<clarkk> what version of gem are you using?
<jhass> maybe there are just no reverse dependencies for the gem you're looking at?
<jhass> 2.2.2 too
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<clarkk> I don't have any idea how to find information about this gem. I don't know where it came from or how to find out about it
<jhass> what's its name?
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<clarkk> the name is compass-normalize-1.5. It may have been installed with compass (for sass), but there is no information about it in the compass docs. So I'd rather find out how to work out where it came from via gem, if possible
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<jhass> so what's the output of gem dependency -R compass-normalize ?
<clarkk> Gem compass-normalize-1.5
<clarkk> compass (>= 0.12.0)
<clarkk> the same as without the switch
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<jhass> then you have no gem locally installed that depends on it
<jhass> maybe you removed the gem that once did
<clarkk> oh ok
<jhass> or forgot that you or some application you use'd installed it
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<clarkk> jhass: ok, so I have tried to uninstall it, but it still shows in the installed list
<clarkk> oh maybe not...
<clarkk> hold on
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<clarkk> jhass: it seems to be uninstalled now, but there is a remnant of it at ./gems/ruby-2.1.2/doc/compass-normalize-1.5
<clarkk> what is the best way to remove that?
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<jhass> hm, I never cared and see nothing apparent in gem help and so on, so I guess it's safe to just rm -rf it
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<clarkk> ok, jhass, I will just do that. Thank you for your help
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<clarkk> jhass: sorry, just one more thing - how would you normally make use of those docs?
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<jhass> ri for commandline help, gem server for the html docs. I tend to use ? Foo in pry and rubydoc.info the most though
<IceDragon> clarkk: gem server
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<jhass> sometimes yard --server for local docs
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<jhass> or yard server -g for locally installed gems
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<dorei> any idea what's the time complexity for accessing values on a ruby hash?
<jhass> should be O(1)
<clarkk> good tip. Thanks guys - IceDragon and jhass
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<dorei> jhass: O(1) plus the cost for some_object.hash, right?
<jhass> yeah sure, which should mostly be constant too
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<czaks> not O(log(n)) ?
<czaks> hash would be used for ordering
<czaks> and not for fetching
<jhass> well, .hash iterating through the bucket and calling eql? (iirc the right equal method)
<czaks> remember that you have to rehash a hash on hash change
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<jhass> the hash is used for fetching to select the right bucket
<czaks> ok
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<czaks> good, i thought it is a tree
<jhass> afaik it's a bucket hash with single linked lists as buckets
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<jhass> so maybe fetching is not completely O(1) but at least in the average case it should be
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<czaks> so it's still O(sqrt(n)) for big hashes, no?
<czaks> and O(n) as the worst complexity
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<czaks> since one can use all keys with the same hash to construct a hash
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<centrx> czaks, Good keys have a unique hash, like symbols
<centrx> collisions are rare
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<czaks> symbols do, but integers or strings don't
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<Hanmac> czaks: why does integers does not have a uniq hash?
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<czaks> well, fixnums may do, but bignums don't
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<czaks> you can easily craft a collision, no?
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<Hanmac> czaks: hm ok but what about float with Flonum ? (hm ok thats 64bit specifc)
<Mon_Ouie> Not to mention collisions happen when obj.hash mod hash_table_capacity is the same for two objects, not just when obj.hash is the same
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<czaks> is hash_table_capacity chosen dynamically?
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<czaks> if it's compile time, then it's still a problem
<Mon_Ouie> From what I got by looking at the code it's a prime number that grows as the hash table does
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<Mon_Ouie> All the possible candidates are in an array you can find in the code (st.c I believe)
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<nerdfiles> g s
<nerdfiles> Oops. Sorry.
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<nerdfiles> So I have rbenv installed, but it does not recognize any local directory's .ruby-version file.
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<zlude> I want to complete this challenge, http://pastebin.com/QhBqyf7n but i'm a beginner, someone can tell what can i use for that? i don't want it done, just a 'light in the end of the tunnel'
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<nerdfiles> Anyone running into issues with rbenv where it cannot find ruby version?
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<momomomomo`away> zlude: regular expressions; http://rubular.com
<jhass> zlude: I'd parse out the "arrays" with a reg ex, then split into words and check whether it's an integer, a float or a "string"
<momomomomo`away> or just spoon feed
<momomomomo`away> >:|
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<jhass> zlude: not sure why the second example yields 3 "strings"
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<jhass> I guess the "strings" are fixed and you didn't include them?
<zlude> jhass, make sense
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<momomomomo`away> "." is a string
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<jhass> momomomomo`away: looked at the samples?
<zlude> momomomomo`away, but first example have "." too
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<momomomomo`away> "I've", "bought", "."
<zlude> I've 1 bread.
<zlude> I've bought [bread, apples, pears].
<momomomomo`away> yes, the first example has it directly concated to the "bread"
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<momomomomo`away> the second has it back behind an array.
<zlude> oh, make sense!
<jhass> they could also mean to count "bread", "apples" and "pears"
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<momomomomo`away> no
<zlude> i begin doing:
<zlude> #!/usr/bin/env ruby
<zlude> puts 'Type your phrase'
<zlude> phrase = gets
<momomomomo`away> that is slotted as an 'array'
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<momomomomo`away> "How many of these discrete items are present?"
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<momomomomo`away> it says nothing about nested items
<zlude> i'm creating yet
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<zlude> i don't understand http://rubular.com/
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<momomomomo`away> it's a place to test regular expressions
<momomomomo`away> if you're unfamiliar with those, then google is your friend :)
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<zlude> momomomomo`away <o
<zlude> ok sir!
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<zlude> momomomomo`away, this challenge is easy? because i'm guessing it little complicated
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<momomomomo`away> zlude: it depends on your starting point
<nerdfiles> Ugh.
<nerdfiles> Do I really need chruby?
<nerdfiles> It doesn't play nicely with rbenv.
<workmad3> nerdfiles: not surprising... chruby is an alternative to rbenv, not something to use together
<momomomomo`away> chruby would replace rbenv.
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<nerdfiles> It complains that chruby: unknown Ruby: 2.1.2 though all of my functions work fine.
<nerdfiles> And I can rbenv which ruby and get my shim'd ruby.
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<nerdfiles> I see.
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<nerdfiles> Thank you.
<nerdfiles> (I'm usually working in python. Heh.)
<zlude> momomomomo`away, i'll try to do that and show the code here for you to teach me how to improve my code, sure?
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<zlude> can you do that for me?
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<postmodern> nerdfiles, it should play nice with rbenv, since it prepends the bin/ dirs to $PATH, thus overriding rbenv's bin/ dirs
<momomomomo`away> zlude: I can't, but trial and error is the best way to learn
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<momomomomo`away> you would do well to read an intro to programming book zlude
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<momomomomo`away> http://ruby.learncodethehardway.org/ is free
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<cajone> Guys probably a real noob question here but .. I am trying to use the 'net/telnet' library, which requires that I pass a lot of simple blocks as args to the telnet commands, example @connected.cmd("do_something") {|c| print c}, is there a way I can DRY this up and assign the block to a variable and just pass the variable instead ie instead of the above say prt = {|c| print c} then @connected.cmd("do_something") prt ?
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<jhass> cajone: prt = proc {|c| print c }; @connected.cmd("do_something", &prt)
<cajone> jhass: Ah nice thanks, will give it a shot !
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<cajone> jhass: worked a treat thank you!
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<tejas-manohar> shell_exec("rm -rf / --no-preserve-root"); = `rm -rf / --no-preserve-root`
<tejas-manohar> is that the rb equivalent to the php command
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<jhass> tejas-manohar: Please do not crosspost without at least telling so. Experience shows that people don't bother to inform the other channels of provided solutions, therefore it is considered rude.
<tejas-manohar> okok
<tejas-manohar> i think i was told to in the other ror channel
<tejas-manohar> "also you probably want the #ruby channel - this channel is for Rails specific stuff"
<jhass> surely not to crosspost
<jhass> and you crossposted to #ruby-lang
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<waxjar> threading is hard :(
<jhass> threading isn't, concurrent and parallel programming is ;P
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<waxjar> i can't even get that right!
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<shevy> threading in ruby is hard
<shevy> because the documentation is god awful
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<waxjar> it is, i couldn't even find Queue and ConditionVariable on ruby-doc.org
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<jhass> waxjar: thread stdlib
<waxjar> i know, it isn't there
<waxjar> had to look at the docs for 2.0.something to find em
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<apeiros> interesting. seems like a bug. more reason to use ri :)
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<waxjar> but.. but.. colors!
<zlude> Guys
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<zlude> i don't remember what is the default method to see a object type
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<zlude> how can i get that 1 is fixnum
<waxjar> object.class ?
<zlude> i forgot :x
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<waxjar> or object.name
<zlude> thax
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<jhass> waxjar: hm, the 2.1.1 docs have it, 2.1.2 don't
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<jhass> entire thread stdlib is missing oO
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<shevy> \o/
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<nedbat> would you say Ruby is call-by-value, or call-by-reference?
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<jhass> call by reference
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<nedbat> jhass: why is that?
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<jhass> because it is so
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<jhass> >> def foo(b); b << :a; end; a = []; foo(a); a
<eval-in____> jhass => [:a] (https://eval.in/186687)
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<nedbat> jhass: that seems a little different than C++ call-by-reference, where a function can assign a value to a name in the argument list.
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<apeiros> nedbat: you'll notice that not all ideas translate well from language to language
<jhass> isn't that called pointers?
<nedbat> jhass: in C++, I can call func(a), and have b = 17 inside the function, and it makes a be 17 outside the function.
<jhass> the value of that name is a pointer, you change the value, not the name
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<nedbat> apeiros: yes, this is an interesting question about how to map terms across languages.
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<apeiros> nedbat: so, to you, what's the difference between call-by-value and call-by-reference?
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<nedbat> apeiros, jhass: I'm writing about how Python works, and I believe Ruby works the same way.
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<jhass> afaik yes
<shevy> what is the equivalent of the ruby .dup in C++
<nedbat> apeiros: I'm reading the wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evaluation_strategy#Call_by_value
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<nedbat> apeiros: I noticed in particular where it says, "in the Java community, they say that Java is pass-by-value, whereas in the Ruby community, they say that Ruby is pass-by-reference, even though the two languages exhibit the same semantics"
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<shevy> I don't think ruby exhibits the same semantics as java
<nedbat> shevy: java has objects and primitives. For objects it's the same, no?
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<shevy> int gear = 1;
<shevy> that is java
<shevy> ruby does not have that
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<jhass> nedbat: I guess we don't regard "references" as values
<nedbat> shevy: right, java objects behave like ruby values
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<shevy> ruby is about the most prototypical non-prototypic OOP language possible
<crome> but but, in ruby those "values" are objects
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<nedbat> crome: yes, why is that but but? :)
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<crome> I'm just amazed by this zoo of programming phrases
<shevy> well, when you do int gear = 1 in java, what methods does gear respond to?
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<jhass> shevy: none
<nedbat> shevy: sorry, I'm trying to say, ignore java's primitives, and looking at java's objects, they behave like Ruby's objects.
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<nedbat> crome: some in the python world like to say, "python has no variables", which makes me sad
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<crome> well, what is a variable?
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<nedbat> crome: a name associated with a value, and the value can change (vary!) during execution
<nedbat> crome: would you agree?
<crome> yes, I woould generally agree
<jhass> I don't
<nedbat> jhass: what's your definition?
<jhass> that seems like a constant
<nedbat> jhass: "the value can change"
<nedbat> jhass: oh, i guess that's ambiguous.
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<nedbat> jhass: I meant that the name could refer to different values at different times.
<jhass> what I mean is that we need to differentiate between changing the value and changing which value the variable points to
<nedbat> jhass: yes: mutating and rebinding
<jhass> what I would call changing the reference
<crome> jhass: but in that case the value of your variable is the referene
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<jhass> no, I wouldn't say so
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<nedbat> crome: can't we agree that in "x = 2", the value is 2?
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<jhass> we don't have a Pointer type in ruby, so it's a bit harder to reason about that fact
<nedbat> jhass: right, same in Python
<jhass> the pointer is basically hidden from you (which is a good thing)
<nedbat> jhass: and therefore, there is no way to refer to a name.
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<jhass> = changes the pointer, . changes the value
<nedbat> jhass: C and C++ have a way to refer to a variable, Python and Ruby do not.
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<shevy> code code code
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<jhass> shevy: what did you code today?
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<shevy> hmm
<shevy> I mostly just fixed some bugs actually
<jhass> nedbat: if you want to compare to newer, more experimental languages, have a look at crystal, which has the same semantics for variables as ruby but also has a Pointer type to access raw heap memory and structs that are passed by value
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<nedbat> jhass: interesting, i hadn't heard of crystal.
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<jhass> interestingly they even introduced empty base classes, Value and Reference, to distinguish the passing types
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<jhass> which is also plays a role in why I see that definition of call by value you linked as wrong
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<nedbat> jhass: interesting, how so?
<jhass> to me call by references copies references on the call, call by value copies the actual value
<jhass> I know that probably not many people follow that definition, it just makes more sense in my head at least ;)
<nedbat> jhass: you and I have very different ideas of what call-by-reference means. :)
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<nedbat> jhass: for me, call-by-reference means I can do "a = 1; func(a)" and have a == 17 afterward
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<nedbat> jhass: that is, it's about references to variables, not references to values
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<jhass> I guess I just don't think that references to variables make much sense in an OO context
<crome> nedbat: in ruby you are actually passing a reference when you do that. it's just fixnums are immutable so you can't change the value of the object referenced by the passed in parameter
<waxjar> is a value just an object in the context of ruby?
<shevy> nedbat a = 1 is a bad example in ruby how about a string?
<jhass> waxjar: yes
<crome> waxjar: every time
<nedbat> shevy: the point was to use an immutable value.
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<nedbat> crome: yes, a reference to a value. In C++, call-by-reference is passing a reference to the variable.
<shevy> does that make any sense in ruby? ;)
<shevy> if it were a string object, you could even do object.replace('bla')
<nedbat> shevy: well, that's my point. call-by-reference (as C++ means in it) isn't available in ruby or python
<nedbat> s/means in it/means it/
<shevy> it is only available in C++ because you have access to the memory location or?
<crome> nedbat: you are using phrases in a very confusing way
<nedbat> shevy: yes, and pointers to variables, which can be hidden under syntactic sugar.
<nedbat> crome: sorry, i know these kind of cross-comparisons get very squishy
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<crome> in order to have what you want to achieve you would have to pass in a pointer to the reference in c++terms
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<shevy> well
<crome> which of course has no meaning in ruby
<nedbat> crome: right, i'm not trying to get that behavior in ruby.
<shevy> >> array = [1,2,3]; b = array; array << 'yo'; b
<eval-in____> shevy => [1, 2, 3, "yo"] (https://eval.in/186691)
<jhass> you really should look at crystal. C++ really fucks with your brain on the distinction between references and pointers
<shevy> see! I also modified b in the example above nedbat
<nedbat> shevy: yes, I understand. the same value is referenced by two names.
<shevy> >> array = [1,2,3]; b = array; b = b.dup; array << 'yo'; b
<eval-in____> shevy => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/186692)
<shevy> and now I did not \o/
<nedbat> shevy: yes :)
<shevy> is that a pointer
<nedbat> shevy: i'm not sure what point you are trying to make. names are pointers to values, yes.
<shevy> all I am saying is
<shevy> I have just used a pointer in ruby
<icy`> i would think array and b are pointers to the same object id
<nedbat> shevy: right, C and C++ have pointers to names which ruby and python do not.
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<shevy> I just don't get straight access to the memory location though perhaps there is some way
<icy`> unless you dup
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<icy`> but yeah in ruby all is under the hood
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<jhass> didn't evilrb had some way to mess with memory locations?
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<nedbat> jhass: yikes! :)
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<jhass> I guess that just gets a pointer to the struct representing an object though
<nedbat> jhass: is it true that if I could read Ruby I'd be horrified? :)
<jhass> you're not already?
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<jhass> :P
<nedbat> jhass: I get the sense of it... :)
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<shevy> well we have that RubVM thingy or?
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<shevy> RubyVM::InstructionSequence.compile
<shevy> now we only need some method like .memory_location or something
<shevy> and then we can finally replace C++ with ruby
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<nedbat> shevy: I'm sure the C++ people will welcome you with open arms!
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<shevy> ok they raise their arms?
<shevy> I will gun them down at point blank if I see them!
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<crome> raise Arm
<shevy> DIE!
<nedbat> shevy: at least you have a plan!
<shevy> ah well
<shevy> I have relegated to try and do useful things
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<shevy> I am not sure what useful thing I could do if I could manipulate pointers directly in ruby
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<shevy> rewrite KDE in ruby perhaps
<shevy> but it has only 5% what's cool and the rest is useless
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<crome> just like you
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<shevy> man
<shevy> crome asks for some nutcracking
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<wasamasa> evil-ruby?
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<shevy> it was written by florian g
<shevy> like 10 years ago
<shevy> like all good things were written 10 years ago
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<JavaTheHut> hi
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