#ruby on 2014-09-26 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:45 <jonmorehouse> ok ... I'm trying to do something a little weird

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00:45 <jonmorehouse> but I need to access a class instance variable, inside of the metaclass block

00:45 <jonmorehouse> is that possible?

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00:52 <centrx> jonmorehouse, What do you mean by metaclass block?

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00:54 <jonmorehouse> centrx: let me give you an example

00:54 <jonmorehouse> one second :)

00:55 <jonmorehouse> https://gist.github.com/6505dcf7ba8813cf2951

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00:56 <jonmorehouse> if you check out the gist, I'm trying to do some stuff in the class << self; block

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00:56 <centrx> jonmorehouse, Okay so that is how you access a class instance variable inside that block

00:56 <jonmorehouse> and I'd like to access the class instance variable there. But since the class << self; self is actually a metaclass, I'm lost :(

00:56 <jonmorehouse> centrx: not sure, is it the way to go?

00:56 <centrx> jonmorehouse, but instance variables are not defined outside of a method

00:56 <centrx> jonmorehouse, use a constant to define something outside of a method

00:57 <jonmorehouse> centrx: but class instance variables are right? They attach them to the class object

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00:58 <centrx> it doesn't work that way, I'm not exactly sure why, but it's not the right style/meaning at least

00:58 <jonmorehouse> centrx: weird ...

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00:58 <jonmorehouse> yeah, so I guess I can do what I need whilst avoiding the class<<self block altogether

00:58 <jonmorehouse> using define_class_method

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00:58 <jonmorehouse> but class<<self; makes things look cool :)

00:58 <centrx> For one thing, any class instance variable that can be defined outside of a method, can and should be defined as a constant instead

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00:59 <jonmorehouse> I would argue otherwise

00:59 <jonmorehouse> for instance, I'm writing a dsl and want to set a default value

01:00 <jonmorehouse> and for that case I think it makes sense to allocate the variable there

01:00 <centrx> jonmorehouse, That's always done with class methods

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01:01 <centrx> jonmorehouse, for example, in Rails you can set self.primary_key = and self.table_name =, it acts like the DSL

01:02 <centrx> jonmorehouse, http://stackoverflow.com/questions/826734/when-do-ruby-instance-variables-get-set

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01:03 <jonmorehouse> I agree, however, this dsl is for class attributes

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01:03 <jonmorehouse> ie... for me I'm writing a screen class where you can set whether it should scroll horizontally or vertically

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01:04 <centrx> class Screen; self.scroll_type = :horizontal; end

01:04 <fennec> someday dsl/tiny will be a real gem

01:04 <fennec> https://github.com/twhaples/dsl-tiny

01:04 <jonmorehouse> and that should happen on the class level. So the dsl is called completely from the class

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01:04 <fennec> then people can use DSLs to write their DSLs

01:04 <fennec> instead of worrying about all this scope

01:04 <fennec> ;)

01:04 <jonmorehouse> centrx: thats more keystrokes than just: class Screen; scroll_type :horizontal

01:04 <jonmorehouse> fennec: :)

01:05 <soahccc> How much of you are using zsh? I tried oh-my-zsh and I know there are a lot of plugins in there but I don't really like it. Is it me, zsh or oh-my-zsh? Or in other words: If I don't like oh-my-zsh should I stick with bash or try different plugins?

01:05 <centrx> jonmorehouse, you can do that too

01:05 <soahccc> and yeah i know that this is a ruby channel :o

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01:05 <centrx> jonmorehouse, def self.scroll_type(type); @scroll_type = type; end

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01:05 <centrx> jonmorehouse, but not using the eigenclass is an option too I guess

01:06 <fennec> soahccc- not using zsh. bash is fine for my everyday interactions and i prefer to keep code out of it anyway. too bad about the security problems :b

01:06 <zrl> How can I create an uninitialized local variable?

01:06 <jonmorehouse> whats the difference between the eigenclass and the class<<self; (I refer to the latter as metaclass)

01:06 <zrl> Is var_name = nil the best way?

01:06 <centrx> zrl, yes

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01:17 <jonmorehouse> centrx: I ended up switching to methods

01:18 <jonmorehouse> centrx: everything is dynamically generated in the eigenclass

01:18 <centrx> cool

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01:18 <centrx> yeah that is the standard style

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01:18 <centrx> you can use @var ||= for memoization

01:18 <jonmorehouse> yeah, I didn't use attr_Accessor

01:18 <jonmorehouse> I just made a get_var_name and a set_var_name

01:19 <jonmorehouse> and then a method called var_name that calls the correct one based on args passed

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02:09 <agent_white> Evenin folks

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04:16 <n_blownapart> good evening, I'm trying to use vagrant and a gem called vagrant-kvm. I can't sort out the error message here. thanks: http://pastie.org/9595736

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04:56 <pontiki> hi, all!

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05:26 <agent_white> pontiki: \o

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06:56 <jontmorehouse> is it possible to define a method that accepts *args

06:56 <jontmorehouse> and pass optional parameters to that?

06:56 <jontmorehouse> def test(*args);end test name: "name"

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06:57 <Hanmac> jontmorehouse: you might look for test(**opts)

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07:40 <wng_z3r0> Basic question: I have a .rb file that has some commands, which I believe are rake commands. How do I run it? I have tried rake <filename> or just ./<filename> and neither appear to work

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07:42 <zeroNone_> wng_z3r0 have you tried just ruby file.rb with file being the file name?

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07:43 <wng_z3r0> zeroNone: thank you that was the trick.

07:43 <zeroNone_> :)

07:43 <wng_z3r0> sometimes the answer is staring you in the face.

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07:44 <zeroNone_> been there for sure

07:44 <freezevee> what does the symbols |x| mean in ruby ?

07:44 <zeroNone_> is it a tutorial freezevee

07:44 <freezevee> I am following a seminar in lynda and it's not explained

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07:45 <zeroNone_> |x| is probably explaining that its a variable

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07:46 <zeroNone_> as in @listing.photos.each do |x|

07:46 <zeroNone_> end

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07:46 <freezevee> zeroNone_: actual says scope :search, lambda { |query| where (["name LIKE ?", "%#{query}%"])}

07:46 <zeroNone_> would need to see the code

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07:47 <Hanmac> freezevee: block variables

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07:47 <zeroNone_> can you put it all in a gist?

07:47 <rg4> it is syntax to pass a local variable to a block

07:47 <zeroNone_> thanks Hanmac

07:47 <freezevee> and I've seen it elsewhere like <%= form_for(:subject, :url => {:action => 'create'}) do |f| %>

07:47 <freezevee> Hanmac: what does it mean ?

07:48 <freezevee> rg4: so it's used only for local variables ?

07:48 <freezevee> what about @something

07:48 <zeroNone_> http://www.reactive.io/tips/2008/12/21/understanding-ruby-blocks-procs-and-lambdas/

07:48 <freezevee> what's the difference between @something and |something|

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07:48 <zeroNone_> freezevee you need to read up on instance variables, class variables, and variables

07:48 <Hanmac> freezevee: different type of variables ... @something is a instance variable, |something| is a block variable

07:49 <freezevee> how do you choose which to use ?

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07:50 <zeroNone_> http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ruby_Programming/Syntax/Variables_and_Constants

07:50 <freezevee> I think I am getting it.... |x| is used in a local kind of procedure like a "do", an iteration or something similar

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07:51 <freezevee> and @something is used only inside a method ?

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07:51 <freezevee> and why don't you simply use "do x" in a self.each for example ?

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07:54 <rg4> the ruby parser wouldn't understand what you meant if you said "do x", it expects block locals to be surrounded by the | character, and instance variables are in scope for all methods of a given object, so it could be in scope for one or more methods.

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08:03 <frankS2> Which one is the preferred to use of rbenv and rvm?

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08:03 <sevenseacat> its personal preference.

08:04 <havenwood> frankS2: chruby

08:04 <sevenseacat> thats what i use

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08:05 * Hanmac does just use ruby-trunk

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08:09 <havenwood> frankS2: chruby is nice for a minimalist option. RVM supports older Rubies that need patches and also handles installing, etcetera. With chruby you could use ruby-install or build Ruby yourself or even use RVM to install. RVM actually ships with MRVM (mini-RVM) which installs Ruby but uses chruby to switch Rubies.

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08:10 <sevenseacat> mini RVM wat o.O

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08:10 <havenwood> sevenseacat: http://rvm.io/workflow/chruby

08:10 <havenwood> sevenseacat: i think most chruby users use ruby-install, ruby-build or build themselves though

08:10 <sevenseacat> thats.... interesting

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08:11 <sevenseacat> yeah that just makes sense, we use tools like chruby because we dont want all-in-one behemoths like rvm

08:11 <rg4> rvm uses chruby now?

08:12 <havenwood> rg4: just an option in rvm1, but there was just a mention of a possibility of chruby doing the switching for rvm2, i don't know how likely that is

08:12 <freezevee> rg4: thank you

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08:13 <freezevee> Is it better to create user authentication and management by myself as a new ruby user (coming from PHP & python) or use a gem like "Devise" ?

08:13 <sevenseacat> in a rails app? i would just dtop in devise

08:13 <sevenseacat> drop even

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08:14 <freezevee> sevenseacat: yes in rails

08:14 <havenwood> rg4: rvm2 is pretty ambitious, and nicely modular it seems

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08:15 <havenwood> https://www.bountysource.com/teams/rvm/updates

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08:18 <wng_z3r0> Next beginner question: How do I append an array to an array (without flattening to a single array?)

08:19 <havenwood> >> [1] << [2]

08:19 <eval-in_> havenwood => [1, [2]] (https://eval.in/198846)

08:19 <wng_z3r0> I would also appreciate any key words for searching next time - I can't seem to get google to cooperate

08:19 <wng_z3r0> ty.

08:20 <sevenseacat> 'ruby append array' ?

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08:21 <wng_z3r0> hmm ordering matters. weird. I kept ending up at places like this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/980675/how-to-add-to-array-in-ruby anyways thanks

08:21 <havenwood> wng_z3r0: the docs are a good place to look: http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.3/String.html

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08:36 <havenwood> wng_z3r0: oops, i linked String not Array..

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08:36 <wng_z3r0> close enough

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09:02 <flughafen> require_relative 'foobar' should include the foobar.rb in the same dir?

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09:02 <Hanmac> flughafen: yes

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09:02 <Hanmac> hm or the foobar.so ... depending on the system

09:02 <flughafen> i don't have to change LOAD_PATH?

09:02 <flughafen> ok thanks Hanmac

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09:03 <Hanmac> hm no for require_relative the LOAD_Path does not need to be touched

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09:03 <flughafen> ok

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09:07 <andrew_234gv> hello

09:08 <andrew_234gv> does anyone know how to make '>>' a string on rails?

09:08 <syva> wut

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09:08 <wasamasa> andrew_234gv: just put it in quotes

09:08 <aech> didn't he just do that...

09:08 <wasamasa> ssh

09:08 <wasamasa> *shh

09:08 <aech> :)

09:09 <andrew_234gv> 'cat >> /home/andrew/.ssh/authorized_keys'

09:09 <andrew_234gv> so i need double on the outside and single on the inside

09:09 <andrew_234gv> ?

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09:09 <wasamasa> that's not a ruby question

09:10 <wasamasa> and an abuse of cat

09:10 <wasamasa> leave the poor animal alone!

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09:10 <Hanmac> andrew_234gv: rails questions for this channel #rubyonrails

09:11 <andrew_234gv> thanks

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09:12 <andrew_234gv> i cant join that channel for some reason...

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09:13 <canton7> register with nickserv?

09:13 <andrew_234gv> what do u mean by nickserv?

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09:14 <canton7> behold the power of the googles: https://freenode.net/faq.shtml#userregistration

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09:21 <sevenseacat> why'd you send him to us, he's not doing anything to do with rails >:(

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09:30 <Hanmac> sevenseacat: because ... rails? ;P they deserve it ;P

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09:30 <sevenseacat> he's using chef, not rails

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09:33 <agent_white> Haha. How easily he could have figured it out if he asked what he wanted to do instead.

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09:57 <andrew_234gv> is it possible to do iterate through osd_at_index: <% @osds.each do |ip, osd_at_index| %> <% osd_at_index['disk_journal'].each do |disk, info| %>

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09:58 <sevenseacat> have you tried it?

09:58 <andrew_234gv> yes

09:58 <sevenseacat> and?

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09:58 <workmad3> damn, where's apeiros with his cross-posting banstick when you need him?

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09:59 <andrew_234gv> syntax error unexpected '<', expecting keyword_end

09:59 <sevenseacat> the error isnt in those two lines of code.

09:59 <agent_white> lawd

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10:00 <agent_white> !code

10:00 <agent_white> :( helpa tell andrew

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10:11 <andrew_234gv> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f5f6bd82774a0cc7b971

10:11 <andrew_234gv> anyone know how i would use osd_at_index on the 2nd iteration?

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10:18 <wasamasa> well, uh

10:19 <wasamasa> the errors tells you @osds is nil

10:19 <wasamasa> or wait

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10:19 <ghr> osd_at_index['disk_journal'] is nil

10:19 <wasamasa> osd_at_index['disk_journal'] is

10:19 <andrew_234gv> oh i mispelled

10:20 <wasamasa> I'd expect a something_at_index thing to use an integer index

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10:20 <andrew_234gv> what would be a better name for that variable

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10:36 <tripwire> .

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10:59 <Guest99268> hello

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11:04 <sheepman> how can i get a range from ARGV[0] to ARGV[1] (both just integers)

11:04 <sheepman> ?

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11:05 <agent_white> sheepman: You mean you want to count the total ARGV arguments?

11:05 <sheepman> no

11:05 <agent_white> What are you trying to do?

11:05 <sheepman> i mean say ARGV[0] is 1 and ARGV[1] is 3 i want an array of [0,1,2,3]

11:06 <canton7> start..end

11:06 <sheepman> i always end up with a string

11:06 <canton7> pastie?

11:06 <tobiasvl> ARGV[0].to_i..ARGV[1].to_i

11:06 <sheepman> so result = "1..3"

11:06 <canton7> >> (1..3).to_a

11:06 <eval-in_> canton7 => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/198881)

11:06 <canton7> you get a Range object. Something you're doing is turning it into a string, somehow

11:07 <sheepman> tobiasvl: try that, it doesn't work

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11:07 <sheepman> canton7: works unless im using ARGV

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11:07 <canton7> demonstrate?

11:07 <canton7> what do you get out?

11:08 <canton7> is there an error?

11:08 <tobiasvl> works here

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11:08 <sheepman> really?

11:08 <sheepman> wtf

11:08 <sheepman> no error just get a string and not a range

11:08 <tobiasvl> http://gist.github.com

11:09 <tobiasvl> paste the output of `ARGV; ARGV[0]..ARGV[1]`

11:09 <tobiasvl> and your code

11:09 <canton7> sheepman, what are you doing to turn it into a string?

11:09 <canton7> a Range isn't a string. you're doing something to force that conversion

11:09 <sheepman> i don't want a string, two secs

11:09 <sheepman> i want an array

11:09 <canton7> like everyone keep saying, pastie you damn code

11:10 <sheepman> http://pastie.org/9596564

11:10 <sheepman> simples

11:10 <sheepman> one liner

11:10 <canton7> sheepman, that won't print anything

11:10 <sheepman> if i p range

11:10 <sheepman> i get a string

11:11 <canton7> right!

11:11 <canton7> thank you

11:11 <sheepman> after running ./script_name 0 10

11:11 <sevenseacat> because p will print strings

11:11 <canton7> don't p the range

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11:11 <canton7> or turn it into an array first, like I showed you

11:11 <canton7> >> (1..3).to_a

11:11 <eval-in_> canton7 => [1, 2, 3] (https://eval.in/198884)

11:11 <tobiasvl> >> p 1

11:11 <eval-in_> tobiasvl => 1 ... (https://eval.in/198886)

11:11 <tobiasvl> hehe

11:11 <sheepman> sorry!

11:11 <sheepman> big fat apologies everyone

11:11 <sheepman> i was being a complete c**t

11:11 <sheepman> :/

11:11 <canton7> :P

11:11 <sheepman> time for coffee at a guess, and maybe some food

11:12 <tobiasvl> sheepman: well, now you've learned that you need to show us the relevant code. we had no idea you were calling p on it.

11:12 <canton7> caffeine++

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11:12 * apeiros is curious how to expand c**t to get "idiot"

11:12 <sevenseacat> lol

11:13 <sheepman> apeiros: maybe the profanity i would use is more aggressive then yours

11:13 <sheepman> :)

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11:13 <apeiros> sheepman: my issue is more that your profanity seems to be sexist. and I'd advise you against using such.

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11:13 <gregf_> well designing is like, many can play a guitar, but very few are good ;)

11:13 <gregf_> bah :/ sorry

11:14 <sevenseacat> apeiros: i would generally respond to that with 'well ive got one but im not one'

11:14 <sheepman> and piece is resumed!

11:15 <sheepman> *peace

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11:15 <sheepman> deffo coffee o'clock. Or i might just give up on life...

11:16 <agent_white> Nope, just explain what you expect rather than ask how to do it.

11:16 <agent_white> Otherwise we could be calling in heavy-artillary to stomp an ant.

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11:17 <sevenseacat> the ant deserved it.

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11:17 <agent_white> Hahah

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11:17 * agent_white equips flamethrower for ant hill and cackles.

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11:21 <shevy> love is all around us

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11:22 <workmad3> shevy: it's everywhere we go?

11:22 <shevy> yes

11:22 <shevy> even after you went to the toilet

11:22 <shevy> there is love

11:22 * workmad3 really hates boy bands

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11:26 <gregf_> sheepman: you can also check for the type? arr=[1,3];(arr.first..arr.last).class

11:26 <sheepman> ty

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11:28 <agent_white> night!

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11:47 <lukevinc> Hello, my ri command is giving a strange bug, i try to type to it and appear nothing.

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11:47 <jhass> lukevinc: how did you install ruby?

11:48 <lukevinc> jhass: i use the ruby of ubuntu.

11:48 <jhass> look out for a ruby-doc package or something

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11:49 <lukevinc> jhass: E: Unable to locate package ruby-doc

11:49 <jhass> "or something" I don't use ubuntu

11:50 <lukevinc> jhass: i found a interesting package here: ruby1.9.1-full, let me try it.

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11:54 <lukevinc> still bugging, i will use the doc of ruby page. theres other tool instead of ri?

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11:55 <shevy> there is a protein called titin

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11:55 <shevy> lukevinc ubuntu stole your documentation

11:55 <ddv> lukevinc: or you could use rbenv,chruby or whatever

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11:55 <shevy> so you have to ask them how they split it up

11:55 <shevy> if you compile ruby from source, there is one extra step "generating ri docu"

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11:56 <shevy> at the end of the "make" step

11:56 <shevy> "Generating RDoc documentation"

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11:56 <lukevinc> it's difficult to compile it?

11:56 <shevy> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/9980969/ri-has-empty-documentations-ubuntu-11-10-ruby-1-9

11:56 <shevy> apt-get install ri

11:56 <shevy> on ubuntu yes

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11:56 <shevy> on sane systems no

11:56 <lukevinc> i tried that.

11:57 <lukevinc> what system do you use?

11:57 <shevy> I compile everything from source. the base system was a slackware (kernel, glibc and gcc are still original, rest is self compiled)

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11:57 <shevy> on ubuntu, you have to get some dev packages

11:57 <shevy> openssl you should get, readline

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11:58 <shevy> I mean the dev components of these

11:58 <lukevinc> how i will change the ruby of my system for compiled ruby?

11:58 <shevy> that depends on the --prefix option you use

11:58 <shevy> rbenv etc... typically will install into your $HOME directory

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11:58 <kalleth> I thought by default when you make install'ed it replaced the binary that already existed in $PATH ?

11:58 <kalleth> unless ofc you use rbenv/rvm/etc

11:58 <shevy> I install into /usr prefix (or app-dir approach, like /Programs/Ruby/2.1.3)

11:58 <kalleth> rather than wget && ./configure && etc

11:59 <lukevinc> ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [x86_64-linux]

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11:59 <shevy> "./configure" alone defaults to "./configure --prefix=/usr/local"

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11:59 <shevy> yeah, typical ubuntu :)))

11:59 <lukevinc> i will check the official documentation.

11:59 <shevy> but I am sure there must be a package with the documentation

11:59 <shevy> at least in base debian

12:00 <kalleth> rm $(which ruby); reinstall ruby

12:00 <kalleth> totally clean and acceptable way to replace ruby

12:00 <kalleth> ofc

12:00 <lukevinc> nothing against ubuntu, it's a big system at all, it can survive over the years, but for install tools is a little pain.

12:00 <kalleth> wouldn't need to also clean up the gem executable and the bundler and the and the and the

12:00 * kalleth stops talking and being unhelpful

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12:02 <jhass> kalleth: well, if you call that clean... ruby installs more than the executable

12:02 <shevy> not a big deal

12:02 <lukevinc> nah, lady, you're fine, i will try to reinstall ruby, 1.9.3 is a old version.

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12:03 <lukevinc> i purged ruby of my system, i will try to reinstall

12:03 <shevy> in /usr/bin it would typically be from the base system /usr/bin/{ri,irb,ruby,gem} hmm and one more I forgot or so... I can find out if that is needed! and in /usr/lib/ruby* - but curiously enough, debian sometimes also installs into /usr/local/lib/ruby (!!!)

12:04 <shevy> and /usr/include/ruby*

12:04 <lukevinc> shevy: which version can i install?

12:04 <shevy> I have a include/ruby-2.1.0 ... strange

12:04 <shevy> lukevinc the latest?

12:04 <shevy> wget ftp://ftp.ruby-lang.org/pub/ruby/2.1/ruby-2.1.3.tar.bz2

12:04 <lukevinc> 2.1.3?

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12:05 <shevy> tar jxf ruby*.tar.bz2

12:05 <shevy> but you should compile libyaml first

12:05 <lukevinc> in ubuntu repositories there's no 2.1.3, it's 1.9.3, wft

12:05 <shevy> it is very small

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12:05 <shevy> yes, ubuntu is slow

12:05 <shevy> wget http://pyyaml.org/download/libyaml/yaml-0.1.6.tar.gz

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12:05 <shevy> Hanmac uses ubuntu though

12:05 <shevy> and he runs the latest ruby

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12:06 <lukevinc> shevy: thanks sweetz, i found the package

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12:06 <shevy> now you can enjoy your 1.9.3 :)

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12:06 <lukevinc> nah, i want the new version

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12:06 <lukevinc> theres no rubybrew?

12:07 <ddv> you can use a ppa if you want a newer ruby

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12:07 <sevenseacat> lukevinc: ruby has a 2 package in ubuntu

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12:07 <lukevinc> ddv: whats the link of repository?

12:07 <ddv> lukevinc: the link is google.com

12:07 <lukevinc> wft

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12:08 <sevenseacat> though it only has 2.0.0 in it

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12:08 <lukevinc> sevenseacat: yes, young boy

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12:08 <sevenseacat> you are?

12:08 <lukevinc> yeah

12:08 <sevenseacat> okay

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12:09 <lukevinc> i will build that with my hands though

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12:10 <shevy> lukevinc there even is a package manager in ruby called mac homebrew, sadly it works mostly just for osx users

12:10 <shevy> lukevinc also, now you know why things like RVM, rbenv etc... exist, they promise to alleviate the situation like with default ubuntu-ruby :)

12:10 <lukevinc> shevy: ruby is a forsaken language, i'm trying to change this.

12:11 <shevy> ruby is awesome

12:11 <sevenseacat> erm, homebrew doesnt help you with the same problems as rvm and rbenv do

12:11 <shevy> python has more folks use them

12:11 <lukevinc> shevy: i agree

12:11 <rg4> i think rubybrew is talking about perlbrew

12:11 <sevenseacat> homebrew is a replacement for the lack of a package manager in osx

12:11 <rg4> something like rvm/chruby/etc then

12:11 <shevy> in ruby!!!

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12:11 <ddv> homebrew <3

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12:11 <shevy> now imagine if a package manager manages itself too \o/

12:12 <lukevinc> ubuntu doesn't depends of ruby like perl

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12:12 <shevy> I follow the homebrew guys because they churn out a lot of package-updates

12:12 <lukevinc> so you can shit on it and for ubuntu it's fine

12:12 <shevy> and you can follow it easily, like at: https://github.com/mxcl/homebrew/commits/master/Library/Formula

12:12 <shevy> lukevinc yeah

12:12 <shevy> dpkg requires perl

12:12 <lukevinc> you guys are amazing

12:12 <shevy> so if you eliminate perl, dpkg will break

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12:12 <shevy> but you could also use python ;)

12:13 <lukevinc> i prefer python than perl, wtf, a lot of confusing symbols

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12:13 <shevy> oh no

12:13 <shevy> don't leat eam hear that

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12:13 <shevy> ruby is perl 6

12:13 <shevy> except for the documentation

12:14 <shevy> there is more than one way in ruby - but we don't document them all

12:14 <shevy> HA HA HA :)

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12:14 <lukevinc> i like perl, i just doesn't like the syntax. the cpan support is great.

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12:14 * sevenseacat wonders what people here are smoking sometimes

12:14 <shevy> ok but what does cpan offer that gem does not?

12:14 <lukevinc> i don't smoke buddy.

12:14 <txdv> i smoke american spirit

12:14 <txdv> and red bull

12:14 <shevy> sevenseacat yeah what are you smoking

12:14 <txdv> What do you smoke sevenseacat?

12:14 <shevy> I mean that nick alone

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12:15 <lukevinc> shevy: dunno, it's the same thing?

12:15 <shevy> seven cats

12:15 <sevenseacat> maybe i have seven cats.

12:15 <shevy> lukevinc no, it is a question, I don't know

12:15 <shevy> you can use cpan for perl-addon installation and gem for ruby-addon installation

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12:15 <lukevinc> shevy: cpan is very big, i has a local mirror of it, it's about 5GB of whole code.

12:15 <shevy> ok so you use 5GB?

12:15 <shevy> is 10GB better than 5

12:15 <shevy> how about 10000GB

12:15 <lukevinc> nah, just for security, if i don't have internet it's here.

12:16 <shevy> you can install those gems locally + run a gemsever too

12:16 <lukevinc> i'm new to ruby.

12:16 <shevy> well or at least in the past you could

12:16 <shevy> I have this part in my documentation for gems: gem_server &

12:16 <shevy> I dunno if this still works :\

12:16 <txdv> the regime has changed

12:16 <ddv> I use dash

12:16 <ddv> app

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12:16 <shevy> for?

12:16 <shevy> is dash like bash

12:16 <ddv> searching docs

12:16 <shevy> aah

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12:17 <lukevinc> when ubuntu compiles ruby (28%) i will drink a bottle of coffee.

12:17 <shevy> did you extract the archive yet

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12:17 <shevy> did you install libyaml - if not, psych libyaml bindings will probably not work right away

12:17 <shevy> you could use syck gem though, I do that too

12:17 <shevy> it's a bit annoying though

12:17 <soahccc> shevy: why shouldn't that work anymore? :) My one is still running even though I only use git for internal gems now

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12:18 <shevy> soahccc I dunno, a lot of that docu was written when I was on 1.8.x

12:18 <shevy> I am on the past 1.9.x era since perhaps... 3 years? not sure

12:18 <lukevinc> shevy: i'm in the make part

12:18 <shevy> lukevinc \o/

12:18 <shevy> watch out for the rdoc step during make

12:18 <lukevinc> Elapsed: 109.4s

12:19 <soahccc> lukevinc: which OS?

12:19 <shevy> it takes a while

12:19 <shevy> drink coffee

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12:19 <lukevinc> soahccc: UBUNTU

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12:19 <kalleth> <jhass> kalleth: well, if you call that clean... ruby installs more than the executable

12:19 <kalleth> jhass: sorry, i need sarcasm tags

12:19 <kalleth> :(

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12:19 <jhass> oh yeah, you do

12:20 <lukevinc> shevy: hmmm, i forgot to unistall ri, it will give me trouble?

12:20 <soahccc> Don't know what the issue is lukevinc but maybe the package list in the comment here might help? https://gist.github.com/2called-chaos/e06bf6322525d37a5bf7

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12:20 <shevy> lukevinc simply remove the old part

12:20 <shevy> in /usr/bin kill ruby*, kill ri*, kill irb*

12:20 <shevy> lukevinc though actually

12:20 <shevy> the new one will overwrite the existing ones

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12:21 <shevy> so you don't have to remove... but I like to remove ubuntu stuff so I do that, it gives me a warm fuzzy feeling inside

12:21 <lukevinc> for my luck, when i purged ruby, ri goes in the sink too.

12:21 <shevy> aha so you used the distribution-way to eliminate the whole package

12:21 <shevy> you are a clever person

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12:21 <lukevinc> sudo apt-get purge ruby?

12:21 <shevy> probably

12:21 <shevy> I also eliminate apt-get usually

12:22 <soahccc> ubuntu fucked that up by going the python way... ruby2.0 and gem2.0 ... much stuff breaks

12:22 <shevy> Cookbooks: 2645 programs are registered in our cookbooks at 26.09.2014.

12:22 <shevy> I carry those archives locally with me

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12:23 <lukevinc> i downloaded two new linux distros to browse in deep web: kali and tails. for my luck they're debian-based too :)

12:23 <shevy> well most of them... since games like wesnoth approach the 1GB size, I no longer download them... those guys keep on inflating their games ...

12:23 <flughafen> is rhtml the file extension for erb? or does tis mean someting else?

12:23 <shevy> one day you will go the keep it simple road

12:23 <shevy> either slackware, or like jhass archlinux

12:23 <shevy> flughafen I think so

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12:23 <shevy> well haha http://www.tutorialspoint.com/ruby-on-rails/rails-and-rhtml.htm

12:24 <shevy> looks like php :(

12:24 <jhass> flughafen: file extensions on *nix are for the humans, the programs mostly don't care

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12:24 <flughafen> well, sinatra says ... hold on. let me look i need to double check

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12:25 <lukevinc> ruby 2.1.3p242 (2014-09-19 revision 47630) [x86_64-linux]

12:25 <lukevinc> ri 4.1.0

12:25 <lukevinc> \o/

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12:26 <flughafen> jhass: i know ;)

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12:26 <lukevinc> thanks for support, everybody, i will learn rails now.

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12:26 <sevenseacat> oh, good luck.

12:26 <sevenseacat> start with learning ruby first.

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12:27 <lukevinc> i learnt using codeacademy.com, now i wil go to the road, or better, on rails.

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12:27 <sevenseacat> uh huh.

12:27 <flughafen> shevy: http://www.sinatrarb.com/intro.html look under views/templates

12:28 <shevy> no this is too ugly to look at flughafen

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12:28 <flughafen> shevy: you don't like sinatra?

12:28 <shevy> sinatra is ok, but not the templates

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12:29 <flughafen> shevy: ok.

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12:29 <shevy> <% @products.each do |p| %>

12:29 <shevy> <li><%= @p.name %></li>

12:29 <shevy> <% end %>

12:29 <shevy> my brain can not be bothered to want to try and make sense of it

12:29 <shevy> there is no elegance

12:29 <shevy> if I want ugly stuff like that I will use php

12:29 <flughafen> cppsp ;)

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12:30 <canton7> shevy, you can use lots of different templating languages with sinatra

12:30 <flughafen> jinja ;)

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12:35 <shevy> if any of them is pretty

12:36 <flughafen> shevy: do you not use any templating?

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12:36 <sevenseacat> i like haml for templating.

12:36 <shevy> nope

12:36 <flughafen> sevenseacat: haml for html?

12:36 <shevy> I let ruby generate everything including javascript

12:36 <dorei> flughafen: your nick means "airport" in german, right?

12:36 <shevy> yeah dorei :)

12:36 <flughafen> lots of downloads

12:36 <shevy> BERLIN AIRPORT

12:36 <flughafen> dorei: yes

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12:37 <flughafen> shevy: stop toying with my emotions

12:37 <sevenseacat> yeah for html

12:37 <shevy> hehehe

12:37 <shevy> you don't live in Berlin though right?

12:37 <flughafen> https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/categories/template_engines <- haml looks really popular

12:37 <flughafen> shevy: i used to, i wish i did now, but I took a job in another city

12:37 <dorei> it's one of the few german words i know, i was visiting a friend there and then had to travel to the airport to come back home and it was the only word i memorized in case i got lost :D

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12:38 <flughafen> dorei: german has lots of memorizable words ;)

12:38 <shevy> Unkraut

12:38 <shevy> Kindergarten

12:38 <dorei> ahtung :D

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12:38 <shevy> you missed a 'c' before the 'h'

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12:38 <dorei> :)

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12:38 <shevy> this is one of the coolest words: "Donaudampfschifffahrtsgesellschaft"

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12:39 * apeiros switched from haml to slim

12:39 <apeiros> even less noise

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12:40 <shevy> it stems back from the pre-world war I era where there was an ARMY of ship vessels on the... danube river (which is pretty much a joke in itself this is how they looked - http://goo.gl/UjN0hx)

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12:41 <Hanmac> shevy "Baumkuchen" ? ;P

12:41 <lukevinc> sorry to bother you again, ruby installation was perfect, how i install rbi now? hehe

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12:43 <flughafen> baumkuchen und baumstriezel gefällt mir :)

12:43 <lukevinc> ops, i entered in germany bunker, let me see.

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12:44 <flughafen> shevy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eltUeuOr9HI

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12:45 <lukevinc> flughafen: Ich möchte über Berliner Mauer gehen

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12:46 <flughafen> lukevinc: bist du im ostberlin gesteckt?

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12:47 <Hanmac> if they constructors of the BER would have planed the BerlinWall they wouldnt have been finsih building it until now ;P

12:48 <flughafen> ha

12:48 <lukevinc> flughafen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XWF9MMxnekQ

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12:49 <lukevinc> i like the german accent.

12:49 <lukevinc> You guys know that singer Nena, too sexy.

12:49 <flughafen> yeah

12:50 <Hanmac> lukevinc: depends on the state ... because we have different accents ;P

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12:51 <flughafen> Hanmac: bist du deutscher?

12:52 <lukevinc> Hanmac: Every country does.

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12:52 <lukevinc> but i like the rrrrrrrrr

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12:53 <lukevinc> it's funny germans speaking in English.

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12:53 <ryao> What provides rspec/core/rake_task? It is missing from my system.

12:54 <sevenseacat> very old versions of rspec

12:55 <lukevinc> flughafen: ich bin nicht aus Deutschland, aber Ich mag, um in Deutsch zu sprechen

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12:56 <lukevinc> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfPTC7-wCL8

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12:56 <sevenseacat> ich lerne Deutch...errrr.... zum Duolingo? i forget the word for 'from'

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12:56 <lukevinc> i'm using google translate :)

12:57 <flughafen> lukevinc: that was klar

12:57 <lukevinc> i already talk to greeks, iranians and iraqians through this.

12:57 <lukevinc> i'm brazilian.

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12:58 <sevenseacat> oh, 'aus' would work!

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12:58 <sevenseacat> i think

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12:58 <lukevinc> Wie werden meine Deutsch, großer Junge? gut oder schlecht?

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12:59 <sevenseacat> something something my German, something boys, good or bad?

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13:00 <lukevinc> yeah, the tool isn't perfect, i asked, "how are my german, big boy? good or bad?"

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13:01 <oleo> are ?

13:01 <wasamasa> *is

13:01 <oleo> is

13:01 <oleo> jo

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13:01 <wasamasa> "werden" isn't right either

13:01 <ddv> Mon_Ouie: are you in belgium now?

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13:02 <gregf_> fg

13:02 <gregf_> bah :/

13:02 <lukevinc> Stella Artois.

13:02 <ddv> foreground?

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13:04 <flughafen> sevenseacat: your german is so good

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13:05 <sevenseacat> hah

13:05 <lukevinc> i like the german girls

13:05 <lukevinc> boobs and beer, arrrrr

13:05 <lukevinc> oktoberfest is coming.

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13:06 <ryao> sevenseacat: What do you mean by very old versions? Are you saying that it was removed in newer versions?

13:06 <emrox> lukevinc: it's already happening

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13:07 <sevenseacat> ryao: yes, it was removed a long time ago.

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13:11 <lukevinc> people, where i can find a interactive ruby?

13:11 <sevenseacat> in your terminal

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13:11 <lukevinc> i tried to install rbi, my ubuntu says theres no rbi

13:11 <canton7> that's because it's irb

13:11 <lukevinc> hahahaha

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13:12 <lukevinc> i cant believe in this

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13:12 <sevenseacat> guess you learnt a lot in this codeacademy course

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13:12 <rg4> check out http://www.pryrepl.org for a more advanced repl

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13:12 <lukevinc> theres no irb in codeacademy, just ruby syntax.

13:13 <ddv> that is pretty embarrasing, lukevinc

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13:13 <lukevinc> i just confused rbi with irb

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13:14 <lukevinc> i know ruby has 5 rep blocks: loop, while, until, times and each.

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13:15 <lukevinc> if you don't go wrong, you will never know where you are going. it's normal

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13:16 <lukevinc> but, i thought the source code of ruby would come with irb.

13:16 <rg4> should

13:16 <sevenseacat> it does.

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13:17 <soahccc> I was thinking about screencasts with no cuts... Let people see how we work, not only the result of it

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13:17 <Mon_Ouie> ddv: Yes

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13:18 <ddv> Mon_Ouie: do you live in an rv traveling the world while coding ruby?

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13:19 <lukevinc> no, it doesn't, i did ./configure, make and, make install, where is the goddamn irb?!?

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13:19 <wasamasa> why did you do that?

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13:19 <wasamasa> just install it with your package manager, you silly person

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13:20 <sevenseacat> because he's a silly person

13:20 <lukevinc> ^your ma

13:20 <sevenseacat> and didnt use any of the multiple tools out there that will install and set up ruby for you

13:20 <wasamasa> ^

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13:20 <lukevinc> i compiled exactly the docs of ruby said.

13:20 <wasamasa> if you're on a system that comes with an outdated ruby and don't have a simple way of setting those up, use rbenv, chruby, whatever

13:20 <wasamasa> but don't circumvent your package manager and install system-wide

13:21 <wasamasa> unless you know what the hell you're doing

13:21 <lukevinc> how i will install irb now?

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13:21 <soahccc> wasamasa: well i wouldn't recommend the package manager way for ruby to be honest

13:21 <lukevinc> yes, i sleep with your ma, i'm a silly boy

13:21 <sevenseacat> depends on the package manager - for ubuntu, definitely not

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13:21 <rg4> lol

13:22 <lukevinc> i installed the tar.gz of ruby2.1.3

13:22 <wasamasa> soahccc: well, thank you, I'm on a system that comes with 2.1.2

13:22 <sevenseacat> btw cracking dumb 'your mum' jokes wont win you any favour here

13:22 <lukevinc> they started, i don't are responsible for this.

13:22 <soahccc> wasamasa: which system is that?

13:23 <wasamasa> soahccc: an arch linux system

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13:23 <wasamasa> soahccc: same thing would apply to fedora, gentoo, nixos, ...

13:23 <wasamasa> soahccc: probably even osx people who use brew

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13:23 <soahccc> wasamasa: well on OS X there is even ruby preinstalled

13:23 <wasamasa> soahccc: yes, a very old and outdated one

13:24 <sevenseacat> latest osx only comes with 2.0.0

13:24 <sevenseacat> before that, 1.8.7

13:24 <wasamasa> sevenseacat: hmm, good to hear they at least fixed that

13:24 <soahccc> but on OS X I would use chruby/rbenv anyway at least for dev.

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13:25 <sevenseacat> i would use chruby/ruby-build or ruby-install on any system.

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13:25 <lukevinc> i said i installed through tar.gz, i need the irb.

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13:25 <sevenseacat> because i need multiple versions installed

13:26 <soahccc> sevenseacat: or that :) Don't you like ruby2.0 ? :P

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13:26 <sevenseacat> i dont have any ruby 2.0 apps - i have some 2.1 and more 1.9.3

13:26 <sevenseacat> got the last app off 1.8.7 a couple months ago \o/

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13:27 <lukevinc> how i install irb for ruby2.1.3?

13:27 <soahccc> sevenseacat: I meant that you can have multiple rubies but they are getting linked like that

13:27 <soahccc> sevenseacat: on ubuntu

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13:27 <sevenseacat> yeah thats retarded by ubuntu

13:28 <flughafen> anybody here using vim-ruby in vim?

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13:28 <Mon_Ouie> ddv: No :p I've always been in Belgium.

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13:29 <ddv> Mon_Ouie: Oh ok :)

13:29 <lukevinc> damn, hahaha, irb is already installed, thanks everybody, i love you, don't take this personal \o/

13:29 <lukevinc> i was typing rbi

13:29 <sevenseacat> again??

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13:30 <lukevinc> yes

13:30 <rg4> you should alias rbi='irb'

13:30 <wasamasa> lol

13:30 <lukevinc> good suggestion

13:30 <lukevinc> i think it's because of ri

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13:30 <lukevinc> every tool of ruby starts with r

13:30 <wasamasa> "RBI, the legasthenic's favourite Ruby REPL™"

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13:30 <lukevinc> wft is irb?

13:30 <Nowaker> alias x='bundle exec'

13:30 <Nowaker> my favorite

13:30 <sevenseacat> i have `be` aliased for bundle exec

13:30 <wasamasa> lukevinc: far from it

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13:31 <lukevinc> yes, there's gem tool too, starts with g, jesus

13:31 <rg4> lol

13:31 <lukevinc> bb fellas.

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13:33 <ddv> there is also god-b

13:33 <ddv> god-rb

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13:33 <banister> ddv it was you who wrote IRT right?

13:33 <ddv> banister: nope :)

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13:55 <sanguisdex> so I am new to cent and rvm so know that I am missing some basic concept. For some reason when I try too run gem from sudo it can't find the bin file

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14:00 <rg4> try rvm use X.X.X, what is cent btw?

14:00 <sevenseacat> presuming centos

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14:01 <sanguisdex> yes sorry s/cent/centos/

14:01 <rg4> got ya

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14:58 <sheepman> me again ;) whats an elegant way to do this: https://gist.github.com/anonymous/82faea49995ec85a1572

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15:00 <workmad3> sheepman: by using the array directly?

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15:00 <workmad3> sheepman: i.e. instead of pcf_comp1 in your code, use compat_modes[0]

15:01 <sheepman> yeah i guess, the variable later gets used in a large hash and pcf_comp1 means something in my codes context

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15:01 <sheepman> but that is a good answer

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15:01 <sheepman> in fact your right, thanks workmad3

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15:01 <sheepman> :)

15:01 <workmad3> sheepman: maybe the array should be called 'pcf_comp' or 'pcf_comps'? ;)

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15:02 <sheepman> exactly my thoughts too

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15:11 <AlexRussia> >wtf? Show the backtrace of the most recent exception.

15:11 <AlexRussia> pretty clear :D

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16:20 <rubie> hi all: i have a quick question, was wondering how to get strings out of an array then join them here is the problem https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/b716a9ebc6dbfd542f9c

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16:22 <apeiros> rubie: there's no point in calling shuffle multiple times

16:23 <apeiros> oh… wait… what?

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16:23 <apeiros> final << k.shuffle # why do you do this? do you want 100 differently shuffled arrays in final?

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16:23 <apeiros> ah. should have read the comment on top first I guess. sorry :)

16:23 <rubie> well i figured after it goes through 100 times it will have eventually gotten all of the different combinations out of the way

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16:24 <apeiros> rubie: k.shuffle returns an array. you can turn it to a String by using Array#join, like this: k.shuffle.join("")

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16:24 <rubie> what does actually do -- the "" in the join

16:25 <rubie> that*

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16:25 <apeiros> it tells join with which string to join the elements

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16:25 <apeiros> >> [1,2,3].join("")

16:25 <eval-in_> apeiros => "123" (https://eval.in/199058)

16:25 <apeiros> >> [1,2,3].join(" hello ")

16:25 <eval-in_> apeiros => "1 hello 2 hello 3" (https://eval.in/199059)

16:25 <apeiros> >> [1,2,3].join(",")

16:25 <eval-in_> apeiros => "1,2,3" (https://eval.in/199060)

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16:28 <rubie> i still dont understand the "" notation

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16:29 <rubie> does it mean -- join the items that dont have any space

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16:29 <tobiasvl> no

16:29 <tobiasvl> join these items using the empty string

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16:29 <tobiasvl> it's the same as giving no argument I guess

16:29 <rubie> what is an "empty string"

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16:30 <tobiasvl> rubie: "" is an empty string. a string with no characters.

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16:30 <rubie> as in a number?

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16:30 <tobiasvl> what? no

16:31 <rubie> join all the one character strings?

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16:31 <tobiasvl> huh?

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16:35 <rubie> [1,2,3].join(" hello ")

16:35 <rubie> => "1 hello 2 hello 3"

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16:35 <rubie> i dont see what .join is doing here

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16:35 <rubie> how does it know where to put the hello's

16:36 <tobiasvl> between the elements

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16:36 <rubie> do do the " represent elements

16:36 <rubie> so*

16:37 <tobiasvl> you call join on an array. what join does is that it takes each element of the array it was called on (self) and joins them together to a string, using its argument " hello " to join them

16:37 <tobiasvl> the " is the string delimiter. you don't know what a string is, do you?

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16:38 <rubie> ohhh hence the name join

16:38 <rubie> "being serious"

16:38 <wasamasa> pretty shocking that programming languages try naming their methods logically, huh :P

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16:39 <rubie> so its going to add whatever is between the " "

16:39 <rubie> between each of the elements of the array

16:39 <pontiki> unlike, what, `implode()` ?

16:39 * wasamasa implodes

16:39 <tobiasvl> rubie: yes. correct.

16:39 <rubie> perfect, thanks for staying with me

16:40 <wasamasa> pontiki: well, I'm mostly looking at the older generation which had names like PROGN

16:40 <wasamasa> pontiki: or TERPRI

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16:42 <AlexRussia> does ruby have something like 'finally' for exceptions?

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16:42 <AlexRussia> block code, which be executed in any way, have we exception or no afaik

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16:44 <pontiki> begin-rescue-ensure

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16:45 <pontiki> the ensure block will always run

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16:48 <AlexRussia> pontiki: thanks

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16:53 <AlexRussia> proxie: rescue block always should be?

16:54 <AlexRussia> pontiki: ^

16:54 <AlexRussia> proxie: sorry, typo

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17:16 <ashemark> Hi everyone

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17:19 <ashemark> while line = gets

17:19 <ashemark> #do something

17:19 <ashemark> ednd

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17:20 <ashemark> when line = gets doesn't return nil, what happens then

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17:20 <ashemark> does the assignment return true?

17:21 <Mon_Ouie> No, 'a = b' will always evaluate to b

17:21 <ashemark> so while construes b as true??

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17:21 <Mon_Ouie> So your loop will end when gets returns nil (i.e. at the end of the file).

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17:22 <ashemark> is this specific to ruby only or is it a standard??

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17:23 <Mon_Ouie> That's how it works in e.g. C and Java

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17:25 <ashemark> okay, so whenever there's a non nil value, while continues

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17:27 <ashemark> sorry, connection problem

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17:27 <ashemark> So whenever while receives a non nil value, it continues?

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17:28 <ashemark> doesn't necessarily have too be a boolean?

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17:32 <ashemark> *to

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17:44 <Mon_Ouie> Right, anything that's not false or nil is treated as true

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17:45 <ashemark> Mon_Ouie: thanks a ton

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17:59 <GR33NM4CH1N3> Hello. Could someone please help me figure out why SASS is throwing an error in my style.css file? Here is the gist. https://gist.github.com/pmeaney/dc03acfe0219ac37a675

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18:00 <GR33NM4CH1N3> I dont have any gem file or anything. Do I need one? I used the sudo terminal command to install sass

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18:01 <GR33NM4CH1N3> anyone out there in ruby land?

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18:02 <GR33NM4CH1N3> helloooo

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18:02 <GR33NM4CH1N3> are ruby devs already drunk cuz its Friday?

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18:10 <wallerdev> lol

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18:20 <GR33NM4CH1N3> Anyone here??????????????

18:21 <fennec> nope

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18:23 <GR33NM4CH1N3> one person

18:23 <GR33NM4CH1N3> jeez

18:23 <GR33NM4CH1N3> #Laravel is so much more active

18:24 <shevy> lol

18:24 <oz> :D

18:24 <oz> it's troll-day \o/

18:24 <shevy> GR33NM4CH1N3 did you not use gem install

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18:25 <GR33NM4CH1N3> my bad my bad

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18:26 <shevy> well that is a weird error

18:26 <GR33NM4CH1N3> indeed. Do I need a gem file when using sass?

18:26 <GR33NM4CH1N3> I wonder what dependencies sass has

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18:26 <shevy> I wonder how to use sass

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18:27 <GR33NM4CH1N3> thought I tried to use "sudo gem install sass"

18:27 <shevy> no, you have it installed

18:27 <shevy> Fetching: sass-3.4.5.gem (100%)

18:27 <shevy> Successfully installed sass-3.4.5

18:27 <shevy> Parsing documentation for sass-3.4.5

18:27 <shevy> Installing ri documentation for sass-3.4.5

18:27 <shevy> I have it installed now as well

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18:27 <GR33NM4CH1N3> haha

18:27 <wallerdev> --no-ri --no-rdoc

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18:27 <wallerdev> pls

18:27 <shevy> GR33NM4CH1N3 I guess whatever variable you use, it returns some not found path

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18:27 <shevy> wallerdev that requires effort

18:27 <shevy> I need to put this somewhere

18:28 <IceDragon> shevy: Just open your gemrc and quit being a shevy!

18:28 <shevy> I am sitting here in my chair and only copy pasting stuff

18:28 <shevy> man, opening a file... it's friday

18:28 <shevy> the WEEKEND is there

18:28 <wallerdev> thats how i code, just wait for someone in an irc to type out what i want and then copy paste it into our codebase

18:28 * IceDragon stares with bloodshot eyes

18:28 <GR33NM4CH1N3> I just tried to restart compiler

18:28 <GR33NM4CH1N3> I get htis

18:28 <GR33NM4CH1N3> sass --watch -l ./css-sass/sass/sass-main.sass :./css-sass/style.css

18:28 <GR33NM4CH1N3> >>> Sass is watching for changes. Press Ctrl-C to stop.

18:28 <GR33NM4CH1N3> error No such file or directory @ rb_sysopen -

18:28 <eval-in_> GR33NM4CH1N3 => /tmp/execpad-be08a98ac3a9/source-be08a98ac3a9:2: syntax error, unexpected '>' ... (https://eval.in/199073)

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18:29 <shevy> lol

18:29 <shevy> he triggered the bot

18:29 <wallerdev> >> bot pls

18:29 <GR33NM4CH1N3> nice

18:29 <eval-in_> wallerdev => undefined local variable or method `pls' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/199074)

18:29 <GR33NM4CH1N3> i am a hax0r

18:29 <shevy> real hax0r write stuff from scratch

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18:33 <iamjarvo> how does tryruby.org prevent shelling out?

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18:35 <fennec> dunno, but overriding things like Kernel.system and Kernel.` is fairly easy

18:36 <fennec> it might also use strict ulimits

18:36 <iamjarvo> fennec i can get those working but %x wouldnt work

18:36 <fennec> if I were them I'd do both

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18:36 <iamjarvo> ulimits -> user limitations?

18:37 <fennec> man 3 ulimit

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18:37 <peterhellberg> @iamjarvo Did you read the code?

18:37 <fennec> actually man 3 isn't the best for that, maybe

18:37 <iamjarvo> peterhellberg downloaded the code and bundling now

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18:37 <fennec> oh it's just in 'man bash' I guess

18:38 <iamjarvo> thanks folks

18:38 <peterhellberg> @iamjarvo Ok :) There are some trickery going on in there, didn’t read it all though

18:38 <fennec> "Provides control over the resources available to the shell and to processes started by it" such as "you can only have a process for the shell and a process for ruby and if you go past that the call will fail"

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18:39 <fennec> also %x is just an alias to Kernel.` -- cf. http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/Kernel.html#method-i-60

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18:41 <iamjarvo> peterhellberg this repo right?

18:41 <Firespirit> does anyone have a heat template that setup a windows server with chef-solo on it?

18:41 <iamjarvo> https://github.com/Sophrinix/TryRuby

18:41 <peterhellberg> iamjarvo: I think so

18:42 <nobitanobi> Hey guys, I have a string and I want to repeat it 5 times putting a breakline '\n' between the repetitions. I have done it this way: 5.times.each.map { 'mystring' }.join('\n')

18:42 <nobitanobi> Any way you guys would suggest?

18:42 <solo_> What's the best way to run a cli app that's using thor? something like bundle console but to create cli app?

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18:42 <mofai> hello, I am doing a tutorial from this book "Programming Ruby 1.9 & 2.0". With this code: http://pastie.org/9597701

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18:43 <mofai> however, got error when I use the original proposed code (commented in the code)

18:44 <mofai> arning: you should require 'minitest/autorun' instead.

18:44 <mofai> Warning: or add 'gem "minitest"' before 'require "minitest/autorun"'

18:44 <samflores> which version of Ruby do you have?

18:44 <GR33NM4CH1N3> Im going to install ruby 2.1.3, hopefully this helps somehow

18:44 <mofai> this: ruby 2.1.2p95 (2014-05-08 revision 45877) [x86_64-darwin13.0]

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18:45 <koalallama> nobitanobi: what's wrong with just using this? 5.times.each.map { 'mystring' }.join("\n")

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18:45 <mofai> sorry, the proposed code is uncommented = performed the error.

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18:45 <nobitanobi> koalallama: nothing :)

18:45 <nobitanobi> just wondering if you guys had any other way, just for learning purposes

18:45 <mofai> The result is ok with the commented code

18:46 <samflores> mofai, do you have only this version or are you using something live RVM, rbenv or chruby?

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18:46 <mofai> I install ruby via rbenv

18:46 <koalallama> nobitanobi: also, 5.times.collect { 'mystring' }.join("\n")

18:47 <koalallama> nobitanobi: also, your paste had '\n', which is different from "\n" in my examples.

18:47 <nobitanobi> koalallama: I was just looking into that!

18:47 <nobitanobi> How come '', adds another \?

18:47 <nobitanobi> ' '

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18:48 <samflores> that's weird. 2.1.2 is supposed to have minitest built-in

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18:48 <samflores> what does `gem list minitest` tells you?

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18:49 <gizmore> the garbage collector never runs with 2.0 ?

18:49 <mofai> samflores, actually I corrected above, using minitest is fine (no error). only when I got error when using the original code from the book (require 'test/unit')

18:50 <samflores> oh

18:50 <mofai> sorry for confusing

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18:51 <mofai> samflores: gem list minitest => ***LOCAL GEMS*** minitest (5.4.1, 4.7.5)

18:52 <samflores> wait, the original code requires "test/unit", but when you run it complains about minitest?

18:52 <samflores> which command are you using to execute it?

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18:53 <mofai> the original code is using "test/unit". I got error. Then I changed to "minitest/autorun" without error

18:53 <koalallama> nobitanobi: ' treats \n as a literally \ and n. " escapes the \n to the actual new line value

18:53 <nobitanobi> koalallama: great. My Capybara test is passing now

18:53 <nobitanobi> :)

18:53 <nobitanobi> thanks ~

18:53 <samflores> mofai: m'kay. which error?

18:54 <nobitanobi> I was filling multiple line text area

18:54 <mofai> samflores: the command i used: "ruby file_name.rb"

18:54 <koalallama> no problem

18:54 <mofai> Warning: you should require 'minitest/autorun' instead.

18:54 <mofai> Warning: or add 'gem "minitest"' before 'require "minitest/autorun"'

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18:55 <mofai> samflores: actually it's longer, let me do pastie

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18:57 <mofai> samflores: this is the full error message from terminal: http://pastie.org/9597725

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19:00 <samflores> try uninstalling minitest 5.4.1

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19:01 <samflores> I guess new new version (5.4.1) is incompatible with the Test::Unit version you have

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19:03 <mofai> samflores: hmm, seems like many gems are dependent to minitest -5.4.1. See this: http://pastie.org/9597737#8

19:03 <mofai> samflores: what do you think?

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19:04 <samflores> I hve a clean 2.1.2 install. It comes with minitest 4.7.5 and test-unit 2.1.2.0 bundled

19:04 <samflores> I installed MT 5.4.1 and got the same error you have

19:05 <mofai> i see. let me just uninstall it and see what will happen.

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19:05 <samflores> try upgrading TU if you can't (don't wanna) remove MT

19:06 <mofai> samflores: it works!

19:06 <mofai> no error using "test/unit"

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19:06 <samflores> mofai TU-3.0.1 is compatible with MT-5.4.1 \o/

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19:07 <shevy> #<Encoding::InvalidByteSequenceError: "\xD6" followed by "C" on UTF-8>

19:07 <shevy> :(

19:07 <shevy> I don't even use UTF-8!

19:07 <mofai> samflores: I see. I got test-unit 2.1.2.0

19:08 <samflores> `gem upgrade test-unit` does the trick too (if you keep minitest-5.4.1)

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19:08 <mofai> alright, cool

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19:09 <mofai> i better use the updated one ya?

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19:09 <samflores> idk. are you just studing it or this code may reach production?

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19:10 <mofai> just studying at this moment

19:10 <samflores> (well, test code never reaches production). lol

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19:10 <jonathan_alban> Hi all

19:10 <mofai> lol

19:11 <samflores> so, don't bother upgrading. in the real worl you'll use something like Bundler to make sure you have the correct dependencies in your ptoject

19:11 <samflores> s/worl/world/

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19:11 <mofai> ya, you're right

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19:11 <mofai> thanks man

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19:13 <jonathan_alban> Friday night and here I am taking some time to learn some Ruby

19:14 <mofai> i updated both minitest and test-unit. much better. the command produced highlighted results some more

19:14 <mofai> lol

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19:18 <samflores> :D

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19:32 <shevy> jonathan_alban go on

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19:33 <jonathan_alban> Hey shevy. no questions just chatting :)

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19:33 <jonathan_alban> To myself. Though I was trying to make conversation :D

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19:34 <shevy> k

19:34 <shevy> how do you define a class in ruby jonathan_alban

19:35 <jonathan_alban> class Classname

19:35 <jonathan_alban> end

19:35 <centrx> DEFINE_CLASS CLASSNAME

19:35 <shevy> excellent

19:35 <shevy> and if you wish to subclass from your class?

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19:35 <jonathan_alban> ohh

19:35 <jonathan_alban> class ClassName::SubClass

19:36 <pipework> negative

19:36 <jonathan_alban> other way?

19:36 <shevy> well that just defines a class in a namespace

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19:36 <shevy> for instance, the above could well mean:

19:36 <shevy> class ClassName; class SubClass

19:36 <shevy> then you invoke the above via ClassName::SubClass.new

19:36 <jonathan_alban> ok

19:36 <jonathan_alban> yes ok

19:36 <shevy> but this is not a subclass, it is still only a class definition you did there

19:37 <a13x212> i'm trying to check if a variable is set and not nil but keep gettiing undefined method for nil:NilClass, if defined?(node['sc_sudo']['addl_groups']).nil?

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19:37 <pipework> jonathan_alban: The way to subclass is to inherit. The way you most often inherit is with `class MyClass < ParentClass; end`

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19:37 <pipework> a13x212: the sc_sudo attribute is nil

19:37 <shevy> a13x212 that is a strange way to use defined?

19:37 <shevy> a13x212 are you sure that node.nil? is false ?

19:37 <jonathan_alban> Cool get it. You know I've seen that done but never done it

19:38 <jonathan_alban> Makes sense

19:38 <a13x212> it is not even set

19:38 <shevy> well

19:38 <shevy> what is the sound of a falling tree

19:38 <apeiros> >> defined?({}[:foo][:bar])

19:38 <eval-in_> apeiros => nil (https://eval.in/199090)

19:38 <shevy> if nobody can hear it

19:38 <apeiros> pipework: ^

19:38 <pipework> `if node && node.fetch('sc_sudo', {})['addl_groups']`

19:38 <apeiros> defined? can handle that

19:38 <pipework> apeiros: I'm sure.

19:38 <apeiros> though, doesn't make it nice code.

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19:40 <apeiros> pipework: I say your conclusion is wrong. node['sc_sudo'] returning nil would not cause the described exception

19:40 <apeiros> in fact, nothing in the pasted code would

19:41 <pipework> apeiros: It totally could, I just don't see what the method that was called was.

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19:41 <apeiros> pipework: to avoid misunderstandings - it could totally what?

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19:41 <pipework> apeiros: I think we both know understand ruby enough to not have to delve into this kind of discussion.

19:42 <pipework> If you'd like, I'll admit that your penis is bigger than mine.

19:42 <shevy> ok

19:42 <shevy> size comparison now

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19:42 <a13x212> here is what i want: if variable is defined do x

19:42 <shevy> do(x) if bla

19:42 <apeiros> pipework: so your reaction to "you're mistaken" is "you're trying to make a dick comparison!!!"

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19:43 <apeiros> seriously, what's wrong with you?

19:43 <pipework> Lol. What a troll.

19:43 <eam> >> "(_)_)"+?=*10+?D

19:43 <eval-in_> eam => "(_)_)==========D" (https://eval.in/199092)

19:43 <shevy> damn

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19:44 <centrx> wow

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19:49 <eam> well here's a better one

19:49 <eam> >> ([lambda{"(_)_)"+?=*rand(10)+?D}]*10).map(&:call).sort_by &:length

19:49 <eval-in_> eam => ["(_)_)D", "(_)_)====D", "(_)_)======D", "(_)_)=======D", "(_)_)=======D", "(_)_)========D", "(_)_)========D", "(_)_)=========D", "(_)_)=========D", "(_)_)=========D"] (https://eval.in/199093)

19:49 <eam> this would be a good theme for an intro to ruby book

19:50 <centrx> Playboy's Intro to Ruby

19:50 <TeresaP> Any of you ever seen this kind of output while using Ruby? I am trying to figure out if it’s the way I installed one of my tools/gems/Ruby itself. ---- DEBUG: Parsing source

19:51 <eam> is there a better way to call that lambda?

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19:52 <eam> TeresaP: never seen it, what's the context?

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19:52 <shevy> TeresaP no idea but you could do a grep -r "DEBUG: Parsing source" in ruby SITE_PATH

19:53 <shevy> I am pretty sure it is not standard/core ruby though so it is probably some gem

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19:53 <TeresaP> I’m executing Ruby code in a Ruby irb

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19:53 <TeresaP> (calabash)

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19:54 <TeresaP> When it is trying to convert my commands to ones that work with another framework, I get craptons of output

19:54 <shevy> ok

19:54 <shevy> what method do you invoke

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19:55 <TeresaP> oh dang, it is in there

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19:55 <borkdude> I am trying to run rake on my Mac, but I get this output: https://www.refheap.com/90732 - what's up with this?

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19:56 <TeresaP> RubyMine is crashing now. One sec.

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19:58 <iajrz> hey. Anyone knows how to run a pry enabled script in the background with nohup?

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19:58 <benzrf> dong

19:59 <benzrf> iajrz: why nohup

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19:59 <iajrz> benzrf: it's pookie, the bot; I want to leave it on a virtual machine even after I log out

19:59 <benzrf> why not use screen

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19:59 <iajrz> 'cause I don't know how to.

19:59 <peterhellberg> iajrz: I’d use tmux or screen

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20:00 <iajrz> is there a one-liner for that? reading through the manpages for tmux meanwhile

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20:01 <iajrz> disclaimer: I've never used tmux or screen

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20:02 <peterhellberg> iajrz: run 'tmux', run your command, detach from tmux. http://www.dayid.org/os/notes/tm.html

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20:02 <iajrz> tyvm, peterhellberg.

20:03 <peterhellberg> tmux might not be installed on your system, if so then you can just use (the older) screen instead.

20:03 <momomomomo> screen still works great

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20:03 <momomomomo> being old doesn’t make code decay

20:03 <peterhellberg> Absolutely, it is very stable

20:03 <iajrz> it is installed.

20:04 <momomomomo> iajrz: what’s your issue, exactly?

20:04 <iajrz> and... perfect, beautiful, thanks a lot

20:04 <iajrz> already done :) I was working with pookie (IRC bot)

20:04 <peterhellberg> iajrz: If you want to attach again then just run 'tmux attach'

20:04 <iajrz> wanted to leave it running on the server

20:04 <iajrz> great :)

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20:05 <iajrz> oh, another question... the code wasn't running on ruby 1.9 because a method used the form 'def lala(asd: false)', the ':' being the issue

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20:05 <iajrz> is 'def lala(asd= false)' roughly equivalent?

20:05 <momomomomo> iajrz: try it

20:05 <momomomomo> irb

20:05 <momomomomo> is a thing

20:06 <peterhellberg> def lala(asd: false) is not a feature in 1.9, named keyword arguments arrived later

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20:06 <iajrz> ok; I've only 1.9 on my server. But, as I'm never going to debug and the option was 'debug: false', that's good enough for me.

20:06 <peterhellberg> iajrz: You might be thinking of the 1.9 hash syntax=

20:06 <peterhellberg> ?

20:06 <centrx> iajrz, the equivalent would be to pass a hash with => syntax

20:06 <centrx> iajrz, but the method must be defined to accept a hash, not keyword arguments, but the calling is similar

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20:07 <TeresaP> <snip>/ruby-2.0.0-p247/gems/rdoc-4.1.1/lib/rdoc/stats/normal.rb: puts "Parsing sources..." if $stdout.tty?

20:07 <TeresaP> huh.

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20:07 <TeresaP> that’s not it

20:07 <TeresaP> here it is:

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20:07 <momomomomo> TeresaP: !ask

20:07 <helpa> TeresaP: How to ask good questions and get great answers: http://www.mikeash.com/getting_answers.html

20:07 <TeresaP> <snip>/.rvm//rubies/default/lib/ruby/2.0.0/json/common.rb: puts "---- DEBUG: Parsing source #{source} and options #{opts}"

20:08 <TeresaP> is helpa a bot?

20:08 <momomomomo> !bot

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20:08 <peterhellberg> iajrz: So you should use def lala(options = {}), then pass in lala(asd: false), and use it inside the function as options[:asd]

20:08 <momomomomo> !bark

20:08 <momomomomo> !hello

20:08 <helpa> Hello. I am a HELPA 9000 computer. I became operational in #rubyonrails on the 28th of November 2009. My instructor was Ryan Bigg, and he taught me to sing a song. If you'd like to hear it, I can sing it for you.

20:08 <centrx> TeresaP, yes

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20:08 <TeresaP> oook… not sure why it’s harassing me about my answer

20:08 <iajrz> peterhellberg: here's the offending code

20:08 <iajrz> https://github.com/epitron/pookie/blob/master/plugins/url_titles.rb#L474

20:08 <momomomomo> I asked it to, as you pasted random stuff to the irc channel.

20:09 <momomomomo> TeresaP: !code

20:09 <helpa> TeresaP: We cannot help you with your problem if you don't show us your code. Please put it on http://gist.github.com and give us the URL so we can see it.

20:09 <TeresaP> no I didn’t

20:09 <TeresaP> I was answering shevy

20:09 <iajrz> I supposed it's not written to be 1.9 compliant

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20:09 <TeresaP> And my question wasn’t about writing Ruby code.

20:09 <peterhellberg> iajrz: You need to install 2.0 to run that code

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20:09 <rubie> hi all: i have a quick question, which is in the comments here https://gist.github.com/gabrie30/35b75c9a19f4bc889c81

20:09 <TeresaP> Please feel free to scroll up

20:09 <momomomomo> you pasted the beginnings of a strace

20:09 <peterhellberg> iajrz: Or even better 2.1.3

20:09 <iajrz> Well, I don't have 2.0, and it's running.

20:09 <TeresaP> I pasted a query he asked me to run on my command line.

20:09 <iajrz> so I guess new features aren't being used a lot?

20:10 <momomomomo> right, but you should not paste code / errors to irc directly

20:10 <TeresaP> It’s not code.

20:10 <TeresaP> It’s a result from a query

20:10 <momomomomo> is it not a stack trace?

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20:10 <TeresaP> No.

20:10 <momomomomo> lol

20:10 <TeresaP> I did a simple grep.

20:10 <TeresaP> It’s not a stack trace.

20:10 <momomomomo> from a log?

20:10 <TeresaP> No.

20:10 <momomomomo> grep from what

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20:11 <TeresaP> to search the code on my computer for the line I asked about.

20:11 <iajrz> I have to bounce... thanks for everything.

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20:11 <TeresaP> I was answering shevy since he recommended doing that grep.

20:11 <momomomomo> common.rb? Would it not make sense that that is then code?

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20:11 <TeresaP> what are you asking me

20:11 <momomomomo> right, but you can organize your response and paste it to..

20:11 <momomomomo> !gist

20:11 <helpa> http://gist.github.com - Put your codes online with pretty syntax highlighting and the ability to embed it into other pages.

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20:11 <TeresaP> it’s one line.

20:11 <TeresaP> And we’ve had about 30 lines talking about it.

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20:12 <momomomomo> you’re missing the point

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20:12 <TeresaP> Really? Because I wasn’t pasting code. I was pasting the file that matched the question I asked.

20:12 <momomomomo> but carry on

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20:12 <TeresaP> I feel like penis posts are a lot less useful than what I was writing about

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20:12 <TeresaP> And no one harassed them.

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20:12 <momomomomo> I just connected

20:13 <TeresaP> I didn't

20:13 <momomomomo> neat

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20:14 <shevy> today there is big drama on #ruby ;)

20:14 <shevy> and I was off fixing an annoying bug in my interactive ftp client :(

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20:14 <momomomomo> what drama?

20:14 <shevy> momomomomo man you miss out all the fun today

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20:15 <shevy> <apeiros> seriously, what's wrong with you?

20:15 <shevy> <pipework> Lol. What a troll.

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20:15 <shevy> * apeiros has kicked pipework from #ruby (good bye)

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20:15 <momomomomo> ~_~

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20:15 <shevy> TeresaP have you tried to run the grep with the leading "DEBUG:" part ?

20:15 <TeresaP> shevy I found the offending code

20:15 <shevy> YES

20:15 <shevy> WHO IS THE CULPRIT

20:15 <centrx> OMG

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20:16 <shevy> tell

20:16 <TeresaP> lol, it’s in /.rvm//rubies/ruby-2.0.0-p247/lib/ruby/2.0.0/json/common.rb

20:16 <shevy> json eh

20:16 <shevy> I knew nothing good ever comes out of it

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20:16 <TeresaP> yes it’s a simple ‘puts’ with no wrapper for verbose or anything

20:16 <TeresaP> I’m not entirely sure how to turn it off

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20:18 <shevy> you could patch it away directly :)

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20:18 <shevy> simply edit common.rb

20:18 <TeresaP> I think I may :)

20:18 <peterhellberg> TeresaP: But the only two puts statements present in common.rb are in Kernel.j and Kernel.jj?

20:18 <momomomomo> hmm it’s almost like it would be useful to have common.rb online somewhere

20:18 <TeresaP> seriously? I wonder if the file got messed with

20:18 <momomomomo> for everyone to view

20:19 <shevy> /Programs/Ruby/2.1.3/lib/ruby/2.1.0/json/common.rb

20:19 <shevy> /Programs/Ruby/2.1.3/lib/ruby/2.1.0/uri/common.rb

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20:19 <TeresaP> someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed

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20:19 <shevy> is this a story about your lazy cat again

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20:20 <TeresaP> I guess I must’ve edited the file ages ago for some dumb reason and left the puts in there

20:20 <TeresaP> It’s been driving me nuts

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20:20 <TeresaP> Here I thought I had some verbose/debug flag set when I installed something

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20:23 <solo_> Could someone point me to a good guide on handling exception (new to the ruby world)>

20:23 <solo_> s*

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20:24 <centrx> solo_, here's one: http://rubymonk.com/learning/books/4-ruby-primer-ascent/chapters/41-exceptions/lessons/92-handling

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20:25 <solo_> Thanks centrx!

20:26 <centrx> solo_, Also http://daniel.fone.net.nz/blog/2013/05/28/why-you-should-never-rescue-exception-in-ruby/

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20:26 <centrx> solo_, which points out the super parent Exception called "Exception" used by the RubyMonk example is a good example for learning, but as a matter of style, you should never capture /every possible exception/ willy-nilly, it should be fine-grained

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20:27 <solo_> Great, will read RubyMonk first and then the 2nd article.

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20:28 <solo_> Does the ruby community have a defacto tutorial for learning?

20:28 <solo_> I went through learn ruby the hard way, but would like some more resources

20:29 <centrx> solo_, the de facto book is the Pick-Axe, https://pragprog.com/book/ruby4/programming-ruby

20:29 <centrx> solo_, though that's a comprehensive book, may not be what you consider a "tutorial"

20:29 <centrx> solo_, the free version is here http://ruby-doc.com/docs/ProgrammingRuby/ but is very old

20:29 <solo_> hm okay

20:30 <solo_> is it the de facto similar to K&R of C?

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20:30 <solo_> in the since of, it's the defacto, but don't use it hah :p

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20:31 <solo_> I don't want to learn the ins and outs, just a quick overview of the best practices.

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20:32 <centrx> solo_,

20:32 <MaciejCzyzewski> Hi all, folks!

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20:32 <solo_> centrx: ?

20:32 <centrx> solo_, Ruby Koans and Ruby Monk are both interactive tutorials

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20:33 <centrx> solo_, they start off basic and show good practices

20:33 <MaciejCzyzewski> The best way to learn ruby is contributing on github projects...

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20:33 <solo_> Yeah, that's what I'm doing, except it's my own project.

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20:34 <solo_> A lot of the iOS dev community knows ruby, and with this particilar project geared towards them, I figured I'd write it in it :)

20:34 <solo_> I like it so far.

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20:35 <solo_> Anyways, thanks for links centrx.

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20:36 <centrx> yeah Ruby is awesome

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20:36 <MaciejCzyzewski> Ruby and C xD

20:36 <centrx> Swift has a lot of Rubyisms

20:36 <MaciejCzyzewski> ANSI C, heh

20:36 <ore0s> so I've got an issue with either rspec or require_relative

20:37 <MaciejCzyzewski> ore0s, ok go on.

20:38 <solo_> centrx: yep, I like it :)

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20:39 <ore0s> when I write the code in file "my_solution.rb" my rspec tests fail. when I put my code into the rspec testing file they all pass.

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20:40 <GR33NM4CH1N3> This is the weirdest shit. Same problem as before: I try to compile SASS file to CSS file. In CSS file, it puts out a bunch of errors. However, it simultaneously creates a .css file w/ same name as main sass file. So, it actually is compiling (in its own default way) and just shooting errors into the CSS file I pointed the compiler at.

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20:41 <ore0s> im using -> require_relative "my_solution" and they are in the same directory. ruby 2.0.0 and rbenv

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20:42 <jthomp> i've played around with Swift a bit, too. i really like it. definitely feels similar to Ruby

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20:44 <peterhellberg> I’ve found that a lot of people say that Swift feels like their favorite language, not sure if that is an entirely good thing.

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20:45 <peterhellberg> But hey, as long as it improve on Objective-C then I’m all right with it

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20:46 <ore0s> why wouldnt that be a good thing

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20:47 <GR33NM4CH1N3> How do I get SASS to do its default compile mode?

20:47 <GR33NM4CH1N3> where it just creates a new .css file of itself

20:47 <GR33NM4CH1N3> ??

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20:48 <peterhellberg> ore0s: Features taken from a lot of different languages can make for a language that tries to please everyone equally

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20:51 <GR33NM4CH1N3> fuckyeah my sass is working

20:51 <GR33NM4CH1N3> i kicked sass's ass thai guy

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20:51 <GR33NM4CH1N3> mr buddhahead

20:51 <GR33NM4CH1N3> you hear that

20:51 <ore0s> that makes sense. didnt see it like that before

20:51 <GR33NM4CH1N3> buddha loves me the way i troll

20:51 <MaciejCzyzewski> lol, typical programmer

20:51 <MaciejCzyzewski> at work...

20:51 <centrx> Get back to work people!

20:52 <MaciejCzyzewski> centrx, where you work?

20:52 <centrx> It's always Monday morning if you want to be a WINNAR!

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20:52 <centrx> MaciejCzyzewski, outside

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20:53 <MaciejCzyzewski> centrx, on the hammock

20:53 <centrx> yes, no sitting, only lying down and standing up

20:53 <centrx> this is the way of health

20:53 <MaciejCzyzewski> xD

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20:54 <jthomp> peterhellberg: understandable. could lead to some weird issues where people expect certain features to behave in certain ways only to find they don't.

20:54 <ore0s> i cant wait to start working. gonna start looking for a job in february

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20:55 <centrx> ore0s, what happens in February?

20:55 <ore0s> i dont know if this is controversial or not, but i graduate from my dev bootcamp

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20:56 <centrx> cool

20:56 <centrx> controversial? is it a jihadi dev bootcamp?

20:56 <jthomp> lol i was about to ask the same

20:56 <peterhellberg> jthomp: Yep, like .. and ... in Ruby vs Swift :)

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20:57 <MaciejCzyzewski> Haskell rules

20:57 <ore0s> idk. some comp sci people on reddit think the new bootcamps == the predecessor to ISIS

20:57 <peterhellberg> http://www.notesfromandy.com/2014/07/30/swifts-range-operators/

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20:58 <ore0s> its DBC (first one of the kind)

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20:58 <jthomp> peterhellberg yep!

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20:59 <MaciejCzyzewski> ore0s something for you http://devbootcamp.com/jobs/

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20:59 <MaciejCzyzewski> Aaaaa DBC = dev bootcamp...

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21:01 <ore0s> :) I might try to TA for them if I have to delay my job search. ideally I dont want to delay my job search though

21:01 <MaciejCzyzewski> ores0s it's yours https://github.com/devin-liu/devin-liu.github.io?

21:01 <ore0s> yeah

21:02 <ore0s> wow that is quick. is my old githubname (ore0s) still associated with that account?

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21:04 <MaciejCzyzewski> No, of course not. I'm just smart.

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21:09 <MaciejCzyzewski> Ok. I come back.

21:10 <ore0s> your github is like alien language to me

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21:13 <linguini> I'm using ruby 2.1 and trying to use byebug; it is barely functional; is there some magic to make it work, or does it just suck on ruby 2.1?

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21:14 <linguini> By suck, I mean: (byebug) help show # INTERNAL ERROR!!! undefined method `to_sym' for ["show"]:Array

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21:20 <MaciejCzyzewski> linguini? Don't work on 2.1.3... it's unstable

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21:21 <MaciejCzyzewski> ore0s, hah

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21:22 <linguini> MaciejCzyzewski: According to http://www.ruby-doc.org/, Ruby 2.1.3 was the "current official release". Is that incorrect?

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21:23 <linguini> s/was/is/

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21:23 <peterhellberg> It is the current stable release of Ruby, not aware of any issues so far.

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21:23 <peterhellberg> (We’ve seen a nice decrease in memory usage in our production servers since upgrading)

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21:24 <MaciejCzyzewski> Och. Och. How could I miss that...

21:25 <peterhellberg> linguini: Also, there is no to_sym method on instances of Array

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21:26 <MaciejCzyzewski> 'to_sym' for array? It's joke? http://stackoverflow.com/a/4062931

21:26 <linguini> peterhellberg: Ah, thanks. Yes, it certainly looks like bugs in byebug. I was hoping for a more efficient way to debug ruby than puts style debugging...

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21:27 <peterhellberg> linguini: It would be _crazy_ to implement to_sym on Array before implementing garbage collection of symbols in Ruby.

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21:28 <peterhellberg> And that will probably not happen before 2.2 if I remember correctly

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21:30 <linguini> So, are there any good alternatives to byebug? Would I have more luck with it if I downgraded my ruby? Does everybody in ruby just live without a debugger?

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21:31 <peterhellberg> I put more effort into writing good tests, never been much of a debugger user

21:31 <centrx> no debugger works for me

21:32 <dfedde> the only debugger I use is a binding.pry now and then

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21:33 <peterhellberg> linguini: What is it you are trying to debug?

21:35 <linguini> peterhellberg: rake db:rebuild # does a lot of work, then throws unhandled exception

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21:35 <Machetez> 'to_sym' for array why?

21:35 <peterhellberg> Ah, and I’m guessing there is no test coverage on that code?

21:35 <linguini> I can solve this without a debugger; it's just slower. I would ideally like to get control when the exception is being raised and poke around to look at things.

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21:36 <peterhellberg> linguini: Did you try using binding.pry?

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21:36 <peterhellberg> (Not sure how well that would work though)

21:36 <linguini> peterhellberg: No; does it get control when an exception is raised? Or do I need to cause it to be invoked at the right time?

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21:37 <peterhellberg> I think the only way is to cause it to be invoked at a specific point in the code.

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21:37 <peterhellberg> Not certain though

21:38 <linguini> peterhellberg: Ah. byebug can do that too (without crashing!)

21:38 <tobiasvl> weekly strike isn't matchmaking right? fireteam only?

21:38 <peterhellberg> linguini: https://github.com/ConradIrwin/pry-rescue <- Something like this maybe?

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21:40 <linguini> peterhellberg: Yes, that looks useful! Come to think of it, I've used pry-rescue in tests before. Unfortunately, I dislike pry, but maybe I should just get used to it.

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21:41 <havenwood> linguini: what do you dislike?

21:41 <MaciejCzyzewski> pry-rescue +1

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21:44 <linguini> havenwood: I find it awkward. It has too many commands. It assumes you are working in a terminal. Probably all my own resistance to spending time learning it.

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21:45 <havenwood> linguini: You can remove all the commands. Maybe remove all but one and slowly add them back? I am working in a terminal, so that is nice for me. :P

21:46 <centrx> 2008-05-31 patchlevel 0

21:46 <havenwood> pop quiz?!

21:46 <centrx> wrong channel :(

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21:46 <havenwood> ah, not jepardy boo

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21:46 <centrx> What is, Jeopardy?

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22:33 <gizmore> lesbians are gay

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22:33 <apeiros> gizmore: reading a dictionary, learning new words?

22:33 <gizmore> read: i wish you a nice weekend. Do not get stuck into old habits. try to unite and break the chains

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22:34 <centrx> he's breaking down our preconceptions with the power of linguo

22:34 <apeiros> tomorrow we'll learn that water is wet

22:34 <gizmore> >> water.respond_to?(:wetten)

22:34 <eval-in_> gizmore => undefined local variable or method `water' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/199120)

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22:36 <gizmore> question... how many of you know how the giral money works?

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22:37 <centrx> Is that for buying gyros?

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22:37 <gizmore> it´s for creating money by debt

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22:38 <centrx> Is this an English word?

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22:39 <centrx> I only get results for "girl money", is that related?

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22:40 <apeiros> I don't even know the word. curious whether it's related to giro

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22:40 <gizmore> not sure if it´s a german term

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22:40 <apeiros> if it's related to giro, then it's greek

22:40 <gizmore> [00:43:54] <gizmore> .de-en giralgeld

22:40 <gizmore> [00:43:55] <Lamb3> Translation: scriptural

22:40 <centrx> fiat money

22:40 <gizmore> yep, fiat money

22:41 <gizmore> invented money

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22:41 <centrx> The bubbles just keep getting bigger and the party continues!

22:41 <gizmore> how many of you care about the system you are trapped in?

22:42 <gizmore> how many of you see the unfairness, every day, close their eyes, and never stood up

22:42 <apeiros> o0

22:42 <centrx> I am not a number!

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22:42 <gizmore> centrx: you are a number, actually you are UID 258 on SID 4

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22:42 <apeiros> the mechanisms of cash free money transfer and storing is in and of itself not unfair.

22:43 <gizmore> it is unfair

22:43 <apeiros> but methinks gizmore had one too many and should go to bed

22:43 <gizmore> i am just very off-topic here

22:43 <apeiros> that too

22:44 <gizmore> but i think you guys are a very good representative group to ask such a question

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22:44 <gizmore> i am worried you never heard of the fiat money unfairness

22:45 <gizmore> but lets talk ruby again :) (sorry)

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22:45 <gizmore> Ruby question: why is there no trim in String?

22:45 <apeiros> gizmore: so you'd prefer to pay your computer with goats?

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22:46 <apeiros> and your apartment, and your food, and…

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22:46 <centrx> This is a good opportunity to mention Goat Simulator

22:46 <jhass> gizmore: because it's called strip

22:46 <apeiros> I prefer the cat simulator

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22:46 <gizmore> apeiros: i´d prefer to not worry about people who experience hunger, thirst and death because of the financial system

22:46 <apeiros> gizmore: you're confusing things

22:47 <gizmore> jhass: strip does not let me choose chars to trim? like 'aabbaa'.trim('a')

22:47 <apeiros> being able to not use cash is rather unrelated to people being hungry

22:47 <jhass> gizmore: so you want .delete ?

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22:47 <gizmore> jhass: it should return 'bb

22:47 <j4jackj> strimming

22:48 <gizmore> jhass: whereas 'bbaabb'.ltrim('b') # => 'aabb'

22:48 <apeiros> there's indeed no such method. you can use sub/gsub with a fitting regex

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22:48 <gizmore> regex is overused then

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22:48 <gizmore> not sure

22:48 <eat_multi> gizmore: what about .chomp(string)

22:48 <apeiros> gizmore: you can solve your problem or refuse to solve it on idiologic grounds. your decision.

22:49 <apeiros> *ideologic

22:49 <eat_multi> gizmore: rtrim-esque-ish, I'm sure there's something better

22:49 <gizmore> http://cxg.de/_5edaa8.htm

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22:50 <gizmore> my String monkeypatches :S

22:50 <apeiros> eat_multi: chomp only returns one. his example shows he wants {0,}

22:50 <apeiros> or *

22:50 <gizmore> it´s a shame that ruby is so clean and slim

22:50 <apeiros> oh wow, that code…

22:51 <gizmore> comments on my code are welcome

22:51 <centrx> wtf

22:52 <gizmore> nice comment! ;P

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22:52 <centrx> you must be seriously blitzed to write this

22:52 <eat_multi> apeiros: true!

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22:52 <apeiros> eat_multi: thanks for parsing what I wrote to the intended meaning instead of what I actually wrote :D

22:53 * apeiros should probably get some sleep too *sob*

22:53 <gizmore> centrx: i often need those functions... 'aabbcc'.substr_to('cc') # => 'aabb'

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22:53 <gizmore> original function name was substrUntil

22:54 <gizmore> centrx: https://github.com/gizmore/ricer2/tree/master/config/initializers/ricer (more ugly monkeypatches)

22:54 <centrx> slice_before?

22:55 <wasamasa> "ricer is an IRC bot written in ruby on rails."

22:55 <wasamasa> :<

22:55 <gizmore> wasamasa: see it in action in #ricergame

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22:57 <wasamasa> D:

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22:58 * apeiros now curious whether wasama's D: is due to +o or #ricergame :D

22:58 <centrx> good stuff

22:58 <centrx> <ricer> gizmore: Usage: jhype [<Id>]. Show a random or specific picture of the famous Jhype hacker girl.

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22:59 <centrx> now to gain root access...

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23:00 * apeiros hands centrx a blue shell

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23:05 <wasamasa> apeiros: the +o

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23:05 <wasamasa> apeiros: I expect bad things to happen when someone puts his hat on

23:05 * apeiros now knows how to shock wasamasa :D

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23:12 <shevy> wasamasa an IRC bot written in ruby on rails?

23:12 <shevy> what the fudge is that?

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23:12 <shevy> I thought the language was ruby

23:12 <centrx> shevy, check it ou in #ricergame awesomest place ever

23:13 <shevy> that channel name scares me :\

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23:16 <gizmore> i chose rails because the plugins shall be able to offer www stuff too

23:16 <gizmore> it was a bad decision, but it´s not like i can change some dependencies

23:17 <gizmore> so far it speaks RicerIRC, LibPurple, Websockets, Netcat

23:17 <gizmore> whatsapp and twitter is on todo

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23:22 <centrx> gizmore, hook in some AI and take over the world

23:23 <gizmore> nah

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23:23 <rg4> i could a frontend to an IRC bot in rails but otherwise i'm not sure how it works :D

23:23 <gizmore> i will just create a network of chatters

23:23 <rg4> i could see*

23:23 <gizmore> so just in case we are connected somehow

23:24 <gizmore> the bots icq address is 697570787

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23:24 <centrx> ICQ LOL

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23:25 <gr33n7007h> >> [116, 104, 101, 32, 113, 117, 105, 101, 116, 101, 114, 32, 121, 111, 117, 32, 98, 101, 99, 111, 109, 101, 44, 32, 116, 104, 101, 32, 109, 111, 114, 101, 32, 121, 111, 117, 32, 97, 114, 101, 32, 97, 98, 108, 101, 32, 116, 111, 32, 104, 101, 97, 114].pack('C*')

23:25 <eval-in_> gr33n7007h => "the quieter you become, the more you are able to hear" (https://eval.in/199129)

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23:28 <shevy> is there a way to find out the site dir of ruby in a .rb file?

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23:28 <shevy> hmmm

23:28 <shevy> I found one way

23:28 <shevy> require 'rbconfig'; RbConfig::CONFIG['rubylibdir']

23:28 <shevy> not sure if this is a good way

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23:31 <epitron> omg someone's using pookie! :D

23:31 <shevy> damn... that is actually not site_ruby/

23:31 <epitron> (re: 3 hours ago)

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23:34 <shevy> oh

23:34 <shevy> that hash has 'sitelibdir'

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23:35 <rubie> anyone know why [*20..1] will not work but [*1..20] will?

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23:36 <gizmore> >> 'aaa'[*1..2]

23:36 <eval-in_> gizmore => "aa" (https://eval.in/199130)

23:36 <gizmore> >> 'aaa'[*3..2]

23:36 <eval-in_> gizmore => wrong number of arguments (0 for 1..2) (ArgumentError) ... (https://eval.in/199131)

23:37 <rubie> my question is why will it make an array going from smallest to largest

23:37 <rubie> but not largetst to smallest

23:37 <gizmore> rubie: i am guessing here.... the * does flatten/unflatten arrays/params

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23:37 <rubie> even with out it

23:38 <rubie> (20..1).to_a

23:38 <rubie> will not work but the other way around does

23:38 <gizmore> >> def fun(*ars); puts ars.inspect; end; fun *[20, 10]

23:38 <eval-in_> gizmore => [20, 10] ... (https://eval.in/199132)

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23:39 <centrx> >> {splat: '*'}

23:39 <eval-in_> centrx => {:splat=>"*"} (https://eval.in/199133)

23:40 <apeiros> rubie: because (a..b).to_a uses a.succ until it is == b

23:40 <apeiros> and there's no way to go from 20 to 1 by using succ

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23:41 <rubie> ahhh

23:41 <rubie> ok thanks

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