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<soahccc> nhjk: just ask your question... celluloid is popular so probably somebody will use it
<soahccc> I've done a bit of threaded programming with ruby but I haven't use celluloid because I was to lazy to read the docs :D
<nhjk> soahccc: haha that was my question
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<nhjk> "celluloid is popular", thanks
<soahccc> nhjk: well I would guess from the >2k stars the project hs
<soahccc> *has
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<soahccc> There was this talk at some conference about how we choose libraries... can't find it :(
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<shevy> celluloid has 4 million downloads
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<shevy> that's 15x more than all my gems have in total hahaha
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<soahccc> Also a great side which I always forget about (just looked it up from a log file, I love logs)... http://forked.yannick.io/
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<soahccc> Haha for my project it says "dle is all but popular!" >.<
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<lukevinc> there is a good IDE for Ruby in Windows 8? A Kit of development?
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<benzrf> >> die!
<eval-in___> benzrf => undefined method `die!' for main:Object (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/196608)
<benzrf> >> die
<eval-in___> benzrf => undefined local variable or method `die' for main:Object (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/196609)
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<cleopatra> rubymine
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<cleopatra> i think it work under w8
<lukevinc> rubymine? i will check it out.
<chrisliaw> >> like_this?
<eval-in___> chrisliaw => undefined method `like_this?' for main:Object (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/196611)
<chrisliaw> >> to_s
<eval-in___> chrisliaw => "main" (https://eval.in/196612)
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<chrisliaw> interesting...
<sevenseacat> yay, let's all spam the bot.
<cleopatra> hello sevenseacat :P
<lukevinc> cleopatra: darn windows, the ide is not 100% free?
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<sevenseacat> good morning cleopatra
<cleopatra> lukevinc, you mean rubymine?
<lukevinc> cleopatra: yes
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<cleopatra> no is free ask for license
<cleopatra> but in google there are many license keys
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<lukevinc> there's no free ide anyway?
<cleopatra> no
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<lukevinc> cleopatra: thanks, sweet, see ya around
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<cleopatra> ahh maybe you like sublimetext
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<lukevinc> i would like a tool to teach my students to learn ruby.
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<cleopatra> is relatively free
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<cleopatra> or netbeams also i trink eclipse have a plugin for ruby
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<lukevinc> right.
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<cleopatra> you can check aptana and raprails
<lukevinc> it's a good oportunity to we, #ruby channel develop a free ide of ruby, huh?
<cleopatra> RadRails - Aptana
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<cleopatra> hey you are teacher?
<lukevinc> yes
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<cleopatra> can you give me ruby lessons free
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<cleopatra> :P
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<lukevinc> yes, what is your doubt, i'm learning it too, but 2 minds think better together
<cleopatra> lol
<lukevinc> i know the basics only, i think it's enough, i learned until modules
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<lukevinc> i will see if i will learn rails when i got some time
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<cleopatra> nothing special i just go into start ruby
<lukevinc> could ask me anytime, sweet. i have a good tutorial to you start
<cleopatra> I am currently making a small app in rails
<GluonQuark> Hi all...
<lukevinc> cleopatra: do you know ruby basis?
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<cleopatra> lukevinc, a little, when I have problems I am going to books
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<lukevinc> cleopatra: do the course of ruby in codeacademy.com. i learned a lot and fast.
<lukevinc> it's a interactive tutorial, there's no way to you don't learn, you have to do what they ask you to do.
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<cleopatra> xo money requiered?
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<lukevinc> no, it's free, there are courses of php, jquery, javascript, ruby and others, i just made of ruby, i will see the others later, but ruby one is excelent. i learned the basis in 1 week.
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<cleopatra> the problem is I do not speak much English my native language is Spanish
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<cleopatra> but i ill try
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<lukevinc> mine is portuguese, but it's simple english, no problem, use google translator if need help.
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<cleopatra> i have start read that book The Ruby Programming Language by David Flanagan; Yukihiro Matsumoto
<cleopatra> is good very good
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<cleopatra> explain class methods file handlers and others thing
<cleopatra> ye i ill do
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<lukevinc> right
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<lukevinc> Yukihiro wrote Ruby, so he should explain clearly how the language works.
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<cleopatra> yes
<lukevinc> i will try to buy this book
<cleopatra> you have money :P
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<cleopatra> for leard rails you can buy the ebook from ryan bigg
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<cleopatra> is too good
<lukevinc> i will see if it's expensive, 100 bucks is the max for me.
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<cleopatra> lukevinc, you good in html?
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<lukevinc> cleopatra: yes, i have some experience with html
<cleopatra> i mean you know to combine color palettes?
<lukevinc> yes
<cleopatra> can help me on some skin
<cleopatra> ?
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<lukevinc> yes
<cleopatra> ill pm you
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<lukevinc> the way you say it, it isn't better you use css?
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<cleopatra> yes
<cleopatra> scss*
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<cleopatra> also i want to use some framework for js
<cleopatra> called raptorjs from ebay
<lukevinc> bootstrap
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<cleopatra> nah.... i no use booptrap i get the basic mixing from theys
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<audy> if I override a method in a class, can I access what the overriding method returned before calling super?
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<audy> for example: class A; def do_something; ...; end; end, class B < A; def do_something; 'foo'; super; end; end... Can I get the 'foo' in A.do_something?
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<soahccc> audy: it's dynamic... you can't tell without calling super.
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<audy> soahccc you mean by calling super in the overriden method?
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<audy> that it's dynamic makes sense. probably shouldn't do it this way.
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<soahccc> audy: what are you trying to doß
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<audy> soahccc I have a method in a class that is meant to be overriden. I want to take whatever the overriding class returns and do something with it in the overriden method
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<soahccc> audy: I would just not call them the same... You mean something like an interface right? Just define your "API" and call them from a differently named method...
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<JavaTheHut> hello ruby
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<JavaTheHut> what editor or IDE do the hard core ruby people use? like not hte noobs but the people like mattz, DHH, and other advanced life forms.
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<JavaTheHut> what is the best linux irc channel for noobs?
<JavaTheHut> cuz i'm a noob
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<JavaTheHut> how do i see how much memory an app is using in linux?
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<dabar> How do I teach my git repo that I want to pin a ruby version for it?
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<soahccc> dabar: git doesn't have to do anything with your ruby version... there is the .ruby-version file which is being recognized by rvm, chruby, rbenv, etc.
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<dabar> Ya, not git, sorry
<dabar> My folder
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<dabar> Thank yo
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<dabar> If after I run `rails s` I get "Could not find json-1.8.1 in any of the sources", and I did run `bundle`, that means that the gem is needed but not specified in the Gemfile?
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<ericwood> dabar: sounds about right
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<dabar> Ty
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<dabar> Looks like I was missing bundle exec
<dabar> Which is odd since I am using a gemset, but OK
<ericwood> ah yeah that'd do it
<ericwood> just put bundle exec in front of everything always to be safe
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<dabar> It's my vim probs. Running it with !rake …
<ericwood> I always found it worked best not running things via Vim
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<dabar> There must be a config for that
<ericwood> switching between a console and Vim is pretty quick and less painless :)
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<nhjk> I'm trying to work with process in ruby but when I fork and they complete their block, they don't die. E.g. if I 10.times { fork { puts "Hello World" } } and then ps -ax, I still get 10 ruby processes
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<nhjk> Found out the answer, some OS's wait for you to collect the status of a child process before terminating it, making it a zombie. Ruby has a Process#detach method that circumvents this by keeping a thread around just for reaping it
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<jeaye> It seems like ruby-openid can't parse http://localhost:8095/foo since it chokes on `invalid value for Integer(): ":"` Anyone seen this?
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<Hanmac> jeaye: does it say in which line the error appear?
<jeaye> Yeah, I actually solved it just now. I think it's a bug in ruby-openid.
<jeaye> Solved by using c.bytes.first.to_i
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<jeaye> If it looks reasonable, I'll shoot them a pull request when I'm finished.
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<Hanmac> hmmm imo that should not be, because c.bytes.first should be an integer ...
<Hanmac> hm the bigger problem i have with multibyte chars ...
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<Hanmac> jeaye if you make a pull request you can replace line 233-241 with that: s.each_char.flat_map {|c| @@FILENAME_ALLOWED.include?(c) ? c : c.bytes.map {|b| "_%02X" % b } }.join
<Hanmac> >> ":".bytes
<eval-in___> Hanmac => [58] (https://eval.in/196650)
<Hanmac> 18>> ":".bytes
<eval-in___> Hanmac => #<Enumerable::Enumerator:0x40225ae8> (https://eval.in/196651)
<Hanmac> 18>> ":".bytes.to_a
<eval-in___> Hanmac => [58] (https://eval.in/196652)
<jeaye> No doubt. Thanks for taking a look.
<Hanmac> hmmm and they really should use URI for spliting an url and not do it with String#split ...
<Hanmac> an wahat makes me more wonder how checks if a string is in a array of strings with index? oO
<Hanmac> hmmm i think i need to make my own fork and do pull requests too ...
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<jeaye> hehe, you're much more qualified than me. Feel free.
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<bricker`LA> I have a bunch of files in /tmp/ titled like open-uri20140922, are these safe to delete? Why isn't ruby cleaning up these files?
<sevenseacat> its not up to ruby to empty your tmp folder
<sevenseacat> your OS will do thatr
<certainty> moin
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<apeiros> I was just curious about what policy OSes have about that. I found an answer saying ubuntu does it at boot-up. sounds like a bad default…
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<apeiros> (that = /tmp cleanup)
<bricker`LA> apeiros: yeah, because bootup happens rarely on production machines
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<bricker`LA> cron I guess? :/
<apeiros> bricker`LA: not just on production machines
<apeiros> I only reboot my laptop on OS updates
<bricker`LA> I'm surprised ruby doesn't get rid of these temp files when it's done with them though
<bricker`LA> I saw somewhere that with open-uri it only does it if you pass a block to open()
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<bricker`LA> let's test that
<apeiros> problem is - how does it detect that it "is done" with them?
<apeiros> also, "it" is insufficient. you might be using those files cross-process.
<bricker`LA> yeah I suppose
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<apeiros> oh, yeah, right - other reason for reboot: I forget to reconnect the power supply :)
<bricker`LA> Indeed, with a block it doesn't keep the temp file around
<bricker`LA> so I have to explicitly unlink I guess
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<krz> any way i can turn "['a','b','c']" into an array?
<krz> i.e. ['a','b','c']
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<tobiasvl> >> a = "['a','b','c']"; eval(a)
<eval-in___> tobiasvl => ["a", "b", "c"] (https://eval.in/196671)
<apeiros> krz: any chance you give us useful info?
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<apeiros> krz: like: is it json?
<jle`> don't use eval >__________________>
<tobiasvl> ;)
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<apeiros> if it's supposed to be ruby code and you don't want eval: gem install literal_parser; LiteralParser.parse(string)
<jle`> <________________________________<
<apeiros> otherwise: context please.
<jle`> am frog
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<krz> apeiros: yea its suppoed to be ruby code
<apeiros> then ^
<bricker`LA> krz: string.scan(/'(.)'/).flatten
<krz> sometimes the array can be multi-dimensional
<jle`> where are you getting this string from?
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<sevenseacat> lol
<apeiros> krz: yeah, literal parser handles that
<krz> redis
<bricker`LA> >> "['a', 'b', 'c']".scan(/'(.)'/).flaten
<eval-in___> bricker`LA => undefined method `flaten' for [["a"], ["b"], ["c"]]:Array (NoMethodError) ... (https://eval.in/196672)
<jle`> how did it get into redis...?
<apeiros> krz: why are you storing ruby literals?
<bricker`LA> >> "['a', 'b', 'c']".scan(/'(.)'/).flatten
<eval-in___> bricker`LA => ["a", "b", "c"] (https://eval.in/196673)
<sevenseacat> why on earth are you storing ruby code in redis
<apeiros> krz: use a sane serialization
<jle`> there might be a deeper problem here
<jle`> :P
<krz> im calling a background worker to call an end point in Keen.io. wich can return results in a multi-dimensional array
<krz> i use redis to store this data as strings
<apeiros> and it chooses *ruby code* as serialization?
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<apeiros> doesn't sound likely tbh
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<jle`> why would you need to serialize ruby code?
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<jle`> do you run a ruby code evaluation service?
<sevenseacat> more likley json that he thinks is ruby
<krz> im using the ruby gem of keen
<apeiros> sevenseacat: json would use " instead of ', though
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<krz> so it returns results in ruby
<krz> i can to to_json though
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<apeiros> krz: I think somewhere you do something wrong
<sevenseacat> so you're choosing to store the ruby
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<sevenseacat> instead of serializing it for storage corectly
<apeiros> or are misinterpreting something
<apeiros> I *seriously* doubt that it really uses ruby literals as serialization
<apeiros> it'd be quite stupid, to be frank.
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<apeiros> anyway, me back @ work
<aech> this is your work apeiros
<krz> Keen.count('signed_up', target_property: 'user_manager_id', timeframe: 'this_month', interval: 'weekly')
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<krz> would return [{"value"=>0, "timeframe"=>{"start"=>"2014-09-01T00:00:00.000Z", "end"=>"2014-09-07T00:00:00.000Z"}}, {"value"=>0, "timeframe"=>{"start"=>"2014-09-07T00:00:00.000Z", "end"=>"2014-09-14T00:00:00.000Z"}}, {"value"=>1, "timeframe"=>{"start"=>"2014-09-14T00:00:00.000Z", "end"=>"2014-09-21T00:00:00.000Z"}}, {"value"=>0, "timeframe"=>{"start"=>"2014-09-21T00:00:00.000Z",
<krz> "end"=>"2014-09-28T00:00:00.000Z"}}, {"value"=>0, "timeframe"=>{"start"=>"2014-09-28T00:00:00.000Z", "end"=>"2014-10-01T00:00:00.000Z"}}]
<apeiros> aech: then this job pays lousy compared to by non-job
<apeiros> s/by/my/
<krz> so you are suggesting to store this as json, when storing in redis?
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<krz> should i store as ruby array? or json?
<krz> in redis
<canton7> krz, it looks surely, like Keen returns a ruby object, not a string?
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<krz> yea ruby object
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<canton7> so not a string
<krz> yea not a string
<canton7> why are you trying to parse a ruby string, then?
<krz> but redis cant store ruby arrays
<canton7> of course not
<sevenseacat> because he's storing what keen fives him, in redis
<sevenseacat> *gives
<jle`> it can store json tho
<canton7> so serialize that ruby object into something sensible
<jle`> or even yaml
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<canton7> using json/yaml/*yuck*xml, etc
<krz> ok got it
<aech> apeiros: hehe
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<apeiros> oooh hurray… seems chrome decided to change how mouse scrolling events are reported…
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<apeiros> now custom scrollers all go in the wrong direction
<apeiros> fun. fun. fun. excuse me while I go vomit.
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<sevenseacat> hahahaha
<sevenseacat> i actually saw that somewhere the other day
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<grn> Can RuboCop enforce additional indentation of private methods?
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<apeiros> WTF?!?
<apeiros> aaah google
<apeiros> seriously
* apeiros kickbans self for spam
<bricker`LA> lololololololol
<DefV> can you like
<DefV> stop that
<apeiros> sorry
<msx> xD
<msx> apeiros: goo.gl
<mozzarella> what the fuck man
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<msx> mozzarella: a google link
<apeiros> mozzarella: google decided to make links to images in its search contain the image as base64 in the url
<msx> for a split second i thought a bot was trying to flood the channel lol
<apeiros> and I didn't notice before pasting
<apeiros> I'm quite sure that was different just a bit ago :-/
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<msx> indeed
<jle`> >_>
<jle`> really?
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<apeiros> and because it was *technically* a single line, limechat didn't open its multiline paste dialogue :-|
<jle`> :=|
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<apeiros> grn: yes, I think it can. it has different modes for how to treat private/protected/public/module_function
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<krz> eiue limechat
<grn> apeiros, I've just checked and it supports indent and outdent styles where the modifier are aligned with method or they are dedented one level (often C++ uses that).
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<grn> However I was thinking not about dedenting the modifier but rather additionally indenting the method. I was such style in some places.
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<aech> lol apeiros
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<aech> apeiros: use a pastebin service next time
<aech> <3
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<max06> Good morning folks. I have a huge problem with savon, the problem is, I have no idea how to describe it. Here's a paste for you: http://pastebin.com/P5wTbYeN - Look at lines 10, 57 and 101. In the end, I need an xml-tag with attribute and value at the same time.
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<aech> max06: I usually avoid using savon. For some reason it always stumbles on something
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<max06> aech: is there another simple solution for soap-Requests?
<arup_r> Can anyone help me to get the output as "Child" ? https://gist.github.com/aruprakshit/f5921ce07a10ded63052
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<arup_r> Fixed..
<arup_r> :-)
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<kith> guys i'm calling an expect script within my ruby script via system(), it does output text onto stdout, is there an elegant way to get all of that into a variable within my ruby script?
<workmad3> kith: use `` instead of system()
<kith> like how?
<kith> var = `expect script` like that?
<workmad3> >> a = `echo "hi"`; puts a
<eval-in___> workmad3 => (https://eval.in/196751)
<workmad3> ah, it probably won't let me shell out
<workmad3> but yeah
<workmad3> `` isn't suitable if you need user input in your command though... you'll need to look at p-open for that
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<kith> ok i'll try that
<kith> no user input required
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<Arahael> Why are some global variables, such as ENV, not prefixed with a dollar sign?
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<j416> ENV is a constant
<j416> not a variable
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<Arahael> j416: It doesn't seem to be a constant in the classic sense, however even for constants, $FOO and FOO seem to be distinct.
<Arahael> (Despite declaring FOO globally)
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<apeiros> $FOO is not a constant
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<j416> Arahael: it being a constant doesn't necessarily mean you cannot change its _content_, but you may not re-assign it without ruby giving you a warning
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<apeiros> $global, Constant, local, @instance_variable, @@class_variable
<apeiros> those are the variable types ruby knows
<apeiros> and for what's worth - constants are a kind of variable :)
<robscormack> ruby knows everything.
<Arahael> Good to know.
<Hanmac> some global variables are readonly
<robscormack> hi apeiros
<apeiros> hi robscormack
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<j416> apeiros: ruby never stops to surprise me "constants are variables" ...
<apeiros> yeah, some globals are really C functions
<j416> o_O
<Hanmac> apeiros: yeah there are virtual, hooked, and readonly global variables
<Hanmac> some of the virtual are readonly too
<robscormack> $!, $@, $0, $$?
<apeiros> but since thou shalt not use globals…
<robscormack> (IIRC)
<Hanmac> >> $: = "bla"
<eval-in___> Hanmac => $: is a read-only variable (NameError) ... (https://eval.in/196752)
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<Arahael> >> $; = "blah"
<eval-in___> Arahael => "blah" (https://eval.in/196753)
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<flughafen> quick sinatra and racktest question, is the proper way to call the tests is just ruby soetest.rb?
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<workmad3> flughafen: depends on the test framework
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> flughafen is a good name
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<shevy> unless it is from Berlin
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<flughafen> shevy: ha
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<flughafen> workmad3: shevy https://bpaste.net/show/7cd32f304ab0
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<flughafen> main_test.rb:21: syntax error, unexpected keyword_end, expecting end-of-input
<canton7> s/Class/class/
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<flughafen> haha, canton7 thanks
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* flughafen has been using too much java lately ;)
<canton7> uh, it's 'class' in java too ;)
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<flughafen> then i'm doing everything wrong!
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<shevy> yeah, keywords are case sensitive
<shevy> I always wanted to write
<shevy> cLaSs Cat
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<workmad3> shevy: not just keywords... variable names, method names, constants... all case sensitive
<shevy> ur mom is sensitive!
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<shevy> php on the other hand is so unsensitive
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<Hanmac> shevy maybe because php is for the butt? ;P
<shevy> php claims to be for the world wide web
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<mostlybadfly> Hi guys
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<workmad3> shevy: politicians claim to be honest... doesn't mean you believe the lying butt-holes
<shevy> hey
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<flughafen> it seems it's lowercase in all the languages i use :3 the "class Foo"
<shevy> they are just actors playing their role
<flughafen> i'm just smoking something funny
<shevy> right but!
<shevy> F is uppercased there!
<shevy> there also is Integer() :)
<workmad3> shevy: which is a method ;)
<workmad3> (in ruby, anyway)
<Hanmac> "class Foo << Bar()" is also valid ;P
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<workmad3> Hanmac: if Bar() returns a class... sure :P
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<workmad3> Hanmac: oh, and also if you use '<' instead of '<<' :P
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<Hanmac> aH yeah thats was the otherone again
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<flughafen> is there a difference between < and <<?
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<gaussblurinc1> hi
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<gaussblurinc1> does anybody work with skype api?
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<Arahael> gaussblurinc1: isn't that discontinued by ms?
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<jhass> flughafen: they share the same ascii character, other than that I do not see how they relate
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<Hanmac> flughafen: "class << obj" is for opening the singletonclass
<flughafen> Hanmac: ok.
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<gaussblurinc1> Arahael: don't know, I want write simple skype-bot
<Arahael> gaussblurinc1: then i suggest you find out!
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<gaussblurinc1> Arahael: oh, great, I want to solve this task in ruby-style - download gem :)
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<Arahael> gaussblurinc1: ruby is not the problem.
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<wasamasa> the programmer is the problem
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<gaussblurinc1> wasamasa: s/the/a/;
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<wasamasa> oh right, it's no longer a single person's fault
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<apeiros> seriously, only IE… IE9 does not define console (JS). so console.log crashes. but if you load the dev tools to see the error, it defines console, so the error no longer appears. much awesome.
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<shevy> hehe
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<shevy> emocakes!!! the intarnet brought you back again to wreak havoc!
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<emocakes> shevy!
<emocakes> liebling!
<emocakes> schatzi!
<emocakes> have you enjoyed summer?
<shevy> omg we must not use other words than the english language!
<shevy> there is summer in my mind all the time!
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<flughafen> anybody here familiar with curses?
<wasamasa> only familiar with meta questions, sorry
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<shevy> flughafen it is awful
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<wasamasa> protect yourself with charms against curses
<wasamasa> amulets work, too
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<flughafen> shevy: when creating a new window, i immediately call other functions, but it complains the window is close. brb(meeting time)
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<shevy> yeah you are still doing the mistake of wanting to use it flughafen
<shevy> spend some more time and then you understand both the name and why people don't like *curses variants
<shevy> what we would need is a simplified abstraction over ncurses
<shevy> in rubx
<shevy> *ruby
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<txdv> ncurses programming is fun!
<txdv> flughafen: im familiar with ncurses programming, but not with ruby
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<DaniG2k> where's a good place to buy a domain name?
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<DaniG2k> Gandi.net ?
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<shevy> >> ("txdv" + " omg a ncurses geek") * 2
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<eval-in___> shevy => "txdv omg a ncurses geektxdv omg a ncurses geek" (https://eval.in/196885)
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<shevy> we need knowledge chips
<shevy> traditional learning takes way too long
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<txdv> shevy: yeah i am
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<txdv> ncursesw to be specific
<txdv> those utf chars don't render themselfs
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<shevy> hehe
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<mwlang> can anyone suggest best way to connect to a SOAP or REST service that has NTLM authentication? I’ve tried variously savon, ruby-ntlm, typheous, and rest_client using examples in their docs (if provided) or from Stack Overflow answers.
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<mwlang> I’m struggling to find a good, solid example that works.
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<aech> mwlang: I would just use nokogiri to make the xml, httparty to send the request, ntlm no idea
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<mwlang> yeah, its the ntlm part that’s killing me. I guess there’s not a great need for Ruby to connect to microsoft-backed endpoints.
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<aech> mwlang: why can't you use ruby-ntlm?
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<mwlang> aech: I can’t figure it out from its limited docs.
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<aech> seems to be pretty old
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<mwlang> aech: actually, scanning through the source, I found an example using mechanize, so I’ll give that a try now.
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<lukevinc> hello, how i convert int to ordinal? 1 to 1st, 2 to 2nd and 3 to 3rd and so on...
<shevy> lukevinc not in main ruby, you need an addon
<lukevinc> require 'date', shevy
<lukevinc> ?
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<shevy> is date in main ruby
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<mwlang> aech: I think the age of the ruby-ntlm library is getting in the way. mechanize has probably evolved a good deal since. “ruby-ntlm-0.0.1/lib/ntlm/mechanize.rb:9:in `<class:AuthHeaders>': undefined method `handle' for class `Mechanize::Chain::AuthHeaders' (NameError)”
<shevy> so logically date should not have any conversion like that lukevinc
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<lukevinc> Are you sure? what happened in 11th September 2001?
<shevy> is this a ruby question?
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<shevy> you can use the linguistic module
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<shevy> 5.en.ordinal # => "5th"
<lukevinc> ^just look at the ordinal number in date
<shevy> eh?
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<mwlang> shevy: Date class is in main ruby but its an empty stub.
<shevy> mwlang it is not empty at all
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<mwlang> until you “require ‘date’”, you don’t get the various methods you’re expecting.
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<lukevinc> shevy: sweet, i have to import something? require 'linguistics'?
<shevy> lukevinc ok I guess you are a newcomer ;) addon means - you must install it first.
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<shevy> if it is a gem, "gem install linguistics" should work
<aech> does shevy need to wipe your butt too? :P
<lukevinc> yes, i learnt the ruby basis in 1 week. never touched a addon.
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<mwlang> shevy: http://stackoverflow.com/questions/15973299/datetoday-not-defined (its actually one of my SO questions ages ago)
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<shevy> if it is only github based, then you click ont he link to "download zip"
<shevy> mwlang ruby stdlib is so inconsistent
<lukevinc> there is an easy installation of modules in Ruby like Perl does in CPAN?
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<mwlang> lukevinc: gem
<aep> since racks headers is a hash, how do you set multiple cookies?
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<aech> mwlang: doesn't seem like a terribly difficult protocol
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<shevy> lukevinc can't you use a terminal man and try whether "gem" works
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<aep> like, i cant do headers['Set-Cookie'] twice, that'll override the previous
<lukevinc> what's exactly is gem?
<shevy> AN ADDON
<shevy> AN ARCHIVE
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<shevy> look at it!!!
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<shevy> there you can see the rack gem
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<flughafen> this gives that window is closed error when it calls statusBar.box(...)
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<shevy> flughafen I am surprised this works
<lukevinc> can i install using sudo apt-get?
<shevy> does ncurses really define a Window constant?
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<shevy> lukevinc you are so funny
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<mwlang> lukevinc: Also, look at https://www.ruby-toolbox.com/ if you want an categorized view to browse by.
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<lukevinc> shevy: thanks, i know i have some sense of humour, call me when you need to do funny programs like clownware.
<shevy> I mean, logically you'd ask the guys who use apt-get
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<shevy> but I don't wanna call you :(
<aech> lukevinc: install rbenv, rvm
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<aech> lukevinc: ruby is the one exception why you want to skip the distro's package manager
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<lukevinc> thanks, i can take rejection, don't worry
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<lukevinc> thanks for tools, i will check it out
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<flughafen> shevy: the first exmple works on my machine
<shevy> hmm
<shevy> as far as I know curses has been eliminated from ruby
<shevy> and 2.0.0 isn't quite that recent is it
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<flughafen> probably not
<shevy> ok so it is Curses::Window
<shevy> what an ugly piece of code that example is
<shevy> crmode
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<shevy> getch
<shevy> hehe
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<aech> shevy: probably because it is more of a wrapper
<flughafen> shevy: what is ugly about it?
<shevy> for i in %w[HUP INT QUIT TERM]
<shevy> if trap(i, "SIG_IGN") != 0 then # 0 for SIG_IGN
<shevy> that guy even uses for loop flughafen
<shevy> yeah aech
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<shevy> he is a C coder most definitely
<flughafen> what's wrong about using for loops? or is it better to use blocks?
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<shevy> who uses for loops in ruby
<eam> <--
<aech> no one
<shevy> eam is a perl dude
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* aech curses eam
<shevy> lol
<eam> more like ncurses
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<aech> lol
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<flughafen> there is perl in the codebase i work on, but luckily i don't have to touch it
<shevy> that reminds me of nsync too much
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<eam> perl as a language is a lot cleaner than ruby, the problem is that it's so easy to use a lot of non-programmers write bad code in it
<shevy> flughafen usually you won't need for loops, in the above example .each would be more often used on an Array
<aech> flughafen: working on and not touching is sounds kind of contractionary
<flughafen> thanks shevy
<shevy> perl is super clean, I see it every time I type §/()§%()&§()/&§ and some magic happens
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<flughafen> as the old joke goes, perl is the only thing that looks the same before and after encryption
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<aech> perl and ruby have one in thing comon, who know what is is?
<aech> it
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<shevy> the tim philosophy
<aech> both authors are very religious :P
<eam> shevy: §=1;/()§%()&&§()/&&§ is valid ruby
<eam> jfyi
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<shevy> yeah, ruby inherited a lot of perl's ugliness :(
<gregf_> both are jewels
<aech> gregf_ + 1
<eam> >> §=1;/()§%()&&§()/&&§
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<flughafen> aech: there is java, perl, python, bash, and web stuff, the perl stuff is from a long time ago, we're actually thinking of getting rid of it. but the perl parts have been reduced over the years and ported to java
<shevy> you broke the bot!
<eam> I think that won't work because unicode
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<aech> craigslist uses perl
<shevy> I like this bot, he is like me - we both refuse to work with unicode
<aech> and they don't give a shit
* shevy cuddles eval-in___
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<shevy> aech I believe in TIOBE
<eam> the world was better when we just had byte strings
<shevy> TIOBE says ruby is dying
<ericwood> TIOBE is a horrible indicator of anything
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<txdv> why do you refuse to work with unicode?
<ericwood> Ruby will never die
<shevy> oh no wait... stagnation now... still ranked 13, perl comes 12th
<txdv> >> "č" * 2000
<ericwood> Ruby 4 lyfe
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<txdv> >> "TEST" * 2
<eval-in___> txdv => "TESTTEST" (https://eval.in/196900)
<gregf_> avdi says ruby is dying, so do my php/java coworkers
<shevy> but php dropped to 7 haha
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<eam> txdv: character set conflict so I heard
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<eam> ruby will never rise above perl
<gregf_> heh
<ericwood> I've seen the fad-grammers drop off, but there's still a super rich and mature ecosystem sticking around :D
<ericwood> I say good riddance to them!
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<eam> hipsters are going to cycle back and start using perl in two more years
<shevy> txdv long story - I can't switch without abandoning my editor
<txdv> ruby is already above perl in my heart and mind
<txdv> what editor?
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<shevy> txdv bluefish 1.0.7
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<ericwood> I want a tattoo with Matz's face that says "Matz is nice so we are nice"
<ericwood> then on my other arm a DHH tattoo
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<Hanmac> shevy for ruby you need "redfish" ;P
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<eam> ericwood: get a tattoo of Matz's face over your face
<Hanmac> or is that a red hering ? ;P
<shevy> Hanmac I once wanted to simplify bluefish down to only the bits I use
<ericwood> eam: great idea
<eam> the letters can go around your neck
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<shevy> like a rope
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<eam> tech is one of the few industries where face tattoos are acceptable
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<eam> take advantage
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<mwlang> Nuts. I only have rubyntlm 0.3.2 installed, but somehow or another, the Net::HTTP client is picking up a 0.1.1 version of rubyntlm
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<ericwood> for reals though I was going to get one of _why's cartoon characters as a small fun tattoo
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<shevy> do you also tatoo your butt?
<txdv> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
<mwlang> any idea how to even begin tracking that one done? (i.e. finding where 0.1.1 might be coming from?
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<shevy> mwlang you must identify from which locations it can come
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<shevy> usually the main path, or from a gem
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<shevy> the main path should be in PREFIX/lib/ruby/site_ruby/2.1.0/
<mwlang> shevy: how do force it to a specific version?
<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> not sure that is possible
<shevy> I think require will always pick up the first file it finds
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<mwlang> so if I try $.push for the 0.3.2 path, would that do it.
<shevy> you perhaps can do so via gem
<shevy> mwlang in theory yes
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<shevy> but I never had to do that hehe; I always kill gems I don't use
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<mwlang> shevy: same here, but when gem list doesn’t even show a 0.1.1 version installed, I gotta wonder!
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<shevy> did you check your main path?
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<shevy> it must reside somewhere, otherwise it could not find it
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<shevy> did you install both 0.3.2 and 0.1.1 via gems?
<workmad3> mwlang: you can activate a specific version by doing 'gem "gem-name", "version" ' before requiring it
<mwlang> shevy: no, I didn't.
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<workmad3> mwlang: it's not often you need to do that
<mwlang> workmad3: ah, let me try that.
<shevy> the gem() method comes from rubygems?
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<workmad3> shevy: yes
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<shevy> cool
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<mwlang> Ugh…I think I have some serious namespace conflict issues. Savon appears to be picking up a gem named ‘ntlm-http’ rather than rubyntlm.
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<shevy> hehe
<mwlang> https://gist.github.com/mwlang/f0fd5e7622494f757296 to see what I mean. ntlm-http came along when I installed mechanize. The error at line #16 was the erorr I was getting earlier before I started messing with trying mechanize.
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<aech> mwlang: I wouldn't venture into that, nokogiri, require rubyntlm, httparty
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<mwlang> aech: I’m looking for some examples of how to put that together … got one?
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<mwlang> actually, I can figure out nokogiri, if I can just figure out httparty + ntlm
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<ericwood> why not just use open-uri or net/http?
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<ericwood> when I'm feeling lazy I turn to open-uri :D
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<mwlang> ericwood: for ntlm authentication?
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<ericwood> oh idk what that is so ignore me
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<eam> NT lan manager!
<mwlang> my biggest challenge is finding a working example in *any* html request library that can authenticate with NTLM and get the response.
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<mwlang> ntlm is definitely not a popular protocol used in Ruby.
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<ericwood> I'm surprised I've never heard of it :o
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<workmad3> mwlang: it doesn't help that when you google 'NTLM' and end up on the wiki page for 'NT Lan Manager' you get told that MS no longer recommends anyone use NTLM...
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<mwlang> workmad3: no kidding!
<mwlang> :-D
<mwlang> probably explains why nobody’s trying to do it anymore with Ruby.
<workmad3> mwlang: mainly because it only supports broken/vulnerable crypto protocols :P
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<workmad3> mwlang: the reference to msdn is 4 years old too ;) http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc236715.aspx
<flughafen> shevy: i got passed the problem
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<mwlang> workmad3: thanks. maybe that’s a smoking gun I can use to get the customer to reconsider.
<workmad3> :)
<workmad3> mwlang: can but hope, eh? :)
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<flughafen> shevy: i was accessing somewhere out of the window with the wrong x,y
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<flughafen> txdv: do you remember the function if i want to hide a window and show another? or is this simply showing a window over another and closing it
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<txdv> flughafen: I usually don't use the window functinoality provided by ncurses
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<txdv> I have written my own window system
<flughafen> txdv: thanks
<txdv> and by usually i mean i dont use it
<flughafen> lol
<flughafen> ok
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<txdv> I use ncurses just so it would handle all the terminfo files and what needs to be updated on the terminal
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<txdv> everything else is high level api which your app should manage
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<txdv> just my opinion
<flughafen> txdv: tanks
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<flughafen> do you have a link to your library/
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<mwlang> Does Net:HTTP automatically figure out its an HTTPS request? I can’t seem to find a Net:HTTPS corresponding class.
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<mwlang> nevermind, “use_ssl” is my ticket.
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<jhass> that's why I only use abstractions upon it :P
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<mwlang> jhass: I’m trying to figure out how to get NTLM auth working, so I’m kinda forced into the broken libraries that portend to support ntlm auth and figure out why the heck things aren’t working.
<mwlang> seems like everybody that ever did ntlm authentication libraries stopped abruptly a few years ago.
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<jhass> they probably realized something about it in the process of building a library for it and started migrating their systems away :P
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<workmad3> jhass: my guess would be they all stopped working 4 years ago when MS told people to stop using NTLM because it's inherently insecure :)
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<jhass> yeah that makes sense, I'm really not into the windows "news" at all anymore :D
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<mwlang> yeah, who wants to build inherently insecure software? :-p
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<workmad3> me neither... I found that out about 30 mins ago when mwlang first started asking questions :)
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<jhass> ah, the german WP article doesn't make that as clear as the english one
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<workmad3> mwlang: I guess the client said 'I don't care if it's broken, use it anyway! because it's what we use!'
<workmad3> ?
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<mwlang> workmad3: more like, “its the only way we know”
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<workmad3> mwlang: :(
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<jhass> know for what? SSO?
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<miah> lanman hashing is so beyond broken
<miah> that is why nobody uses ntlm
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<miah> add #Vulnerabilities to that and enjoy
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<miah> networks with ntlm enabled; dump sam database; run against rainbowtables; enjoy access to 99% of the accounts
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<miah> (because who really uses a password >14 characters at work?)
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<mwlang> jhass: They are a microsoft shop and their AD server is set up to authenticate NTLM. That’s basically what they know, so I gotta figure out how to work with it.
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<miah> your situation is why i will never consult
<jhass> sounds like you could just break into the server and install something better :P
<mwlang> jhass: now there’s a thought…..
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<miah> i would say something about there being irony in a windows shop running something that not even MS would approve of these days since NTLM has been disabled by default for ~4 years
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<mwlang> miah: the irony doesn’t escape me.
<miah> it would be like encountering a 'nix shop insisting on using telnet because 'its what we use'
<miah> BUT OUR PASSWORDS ARE ENCRYPTED
<mwlang> hey! don’t knock telnet! Everything’s in the clear!
<jhass> telnet, best IRC client ever
<atmosx> miah: there's telnet+ssl
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<miah> atmosx: lol
<atmosx> jhass: imho netcat > telnet
<miah> i hope its telnet + openssl
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<miah> TOTALLY SAFE NOTHING TO SEE HERE MOVE ALONG
<jhass> atmosx: nah, it's too easy to leave netcat
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<atmosx> no joking
<atmosx> atma@pritory:~$ apt-cache search telnet-ssl
<atmosx> telnet-ssl - telnet client with SSL encryption support
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<atmosx> it's shitty of course and no one I know in their right mind use this telnet client but anyway.
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<miah> with banks; sftp used to mean 'ftp + ssl'
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<miah> now thankfully they have proper sftp usually.
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<mwlang> telnet + ssl is what long-time TOR hackers feed the freshman hackers as “secure way” to start hacking. :-p
<workmad3> miah: there's also the 'sftp-server'... which is 'secure ftp server' and nothing to do with the ssh+ftp protocol
<miah> because of awesome software like this; http://wso2.com/products/enterprise-service-bus/
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<miah> lets talk about ruby again =)
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<miah> because this discussion is adding to my depression
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<mwlang> miah: ruby 2.1.3 is out! :-)
<miah> indeed. i installed it last week
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<mwlang> I can’t keep up! :-p I just got a bunch of projects up from 2.0.0 to 2.1.2
<miah> not that it matters; i work with chef mostly. most chef users couldnt ruby their way out of a enumerator
<miah> and i think embedded chef is using 2.0 _maybe_
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<workmad3> miah: thought it was still on 1.9 on the 11.x branch
<mwlang> my biggest frustration is having to rebuild passenger and restart apache or nginx to get latest ruby
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<miah> /opt/chef/embedded/bin/ruby -v
<miah> ruby 1.9.3p484 (2013-11-22 revision 43786) [x86_64-linux]
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<mwlang> (which I guess chef does help resolve)
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<workmad3> miah: I think the chef 12 client is going to bump up to 2.1
<miah> ya; i think i'll just go back to installing chef through bundler
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<miah> because omnibus is dumb anyways
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<workmad3> miah: stops me from trashing chef when I update ruby on an app server ;)
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<miah> bundler --path
<miah> if only that were the default or more people knew to use it
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<miah> by default bundle installs to the system ruby
<miah> but with --path; it creates a segregated gem dir for your specific project
<miah> and thus; upgrading chef doesnt trash ruby app server and vice versa
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<momomomomo> the question is, why are you using system ruby
<miah> im not
<workmad3> miah: --deployment is the suggested flag for installing on a server
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<miah> but i think you mis understood what i wrote
<workmad3> miah: which handles the path + some other stuff
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<workmad3> miah: also, I'm talking about updating the ruby install, not some gems on it
<miah> ya; i use chruby. so i have multiple rubies installed
<workmad3> miah: I already have chef handling bundle install into a vendor-specific install :P
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<miah> and updating / adding a ruby doesnt do anything
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<workmad3> miah: and I don't bother with chruby on the server... unnecessary there, IMO... I've got chef set up to install and stamp out the environments for a specific ruby version on specific apps
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<miah> at this point; in my environment chef is just a minor framework used during build
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<miah> ^- how we do it
<workmad3> miah: the less time I spend sshed into my server the better, IMO :)
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<miah> same
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<workmad3> miah: I also use almost no community cookbooks... I've written LWRPs around everything we use and then a single recipe per server-type
<miah> ya
<miah> the community is pretty shite
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<miah> and i personally find lwrps to be the most annoying
<workmad3> miah: as I also had a ton of issues in the past from cookbooks interacting badly... not to mention being horribly nasty to change the data binding to them
<miah> mostly i hate dsl's that dont actually give you any advantage
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<workmad3> miah: ah... I use 'LWRP' as a general term to mean 'custom resource provider'
<workmad3> miah: I don't use the LWRP dsl :)
<miah> i'm a pretty outspoken critic of the 'cookbook' development model
<miah> if you search my nick + chef
<miah> im sure you will see
<workmad3> miah: I think we've talked about this in #chef a few times too :)
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<miah> maybe
<miah> i have scrubbed most of that channel from memory
<workmad3> miah: I've started moving some of my custom resource providers away from templates, which I think was something you recommended too
<AlexRussia> which class could contain information about directory?
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<workmad3> miah: and towards classes that stamp out the correct config syntax
<jhass> AlexRussia: Dir?
<AlexRussia> jhass: yep, thx
<miah> workmad3: ya
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<AlexRussia> jhass: does i have some 'elegante' way to check class(like Dir) than 'var.class == Dir.new.class' ?
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<jhass> first of all Foo.new.class is redundant to Foo
<jhass> but use is_a?
<jhass> var.is_a? Dir
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<miah> foo.kind_of?
<AlexRussia> jhass: .is_a? seems nice, ty
<jhass> miah: alias
<miah> jhass: its a alias of is_a? makes sense =)
<workmad3> also Dir === var
<miah> its the == vs .eql? argument
<jhass> I don't use === in code, for me it's just for case statements
<workmad3> but that's only really of interest for case statements IMO... people who use === directly should be defenestrated :)
<miah> +1
<workmad3> the floor number for the defenestration corresponds to the number of times you've done it...
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<dotrb> Hi everyone
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<AlexRussia> jhass: there any way to understand, name is file or directory?
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<jhass> File.file? name or File.directory? name
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<jhass> assuming name is a string with a path to a directory
<jhass> or file
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<AlexRussia> jhass: this methods from class File?
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<jhass> those were examples
<jhass> >> File.directory? Dir.pwd
<eval-in___> jhass => true (https://eval.in/196942)
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<jhass> >> File.file? Dir.pwd
<eval-in___> jhass => false (https://eval.in/196943)
<AlexRussia> @_@
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<AlexRussia> jhass: dirty thing: could method variable and param have same name?
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<jhass> what?
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<AlexRussia> jhass: @var and def fun(var)...?
<miah> you can pass variables as parameters
<AlexRussia> no
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<AlexRussia> i mean
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<AlexRussia> i won't get conflict?
<miah> and when you define a method the parameter name is local
<AlexRussia> in @var = var?
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<miah> in that case they would not match
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<miah> @var != var
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<miah> def foo(bar); puts bar; end
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<miah> @bar = 'hi'
<jhass> >> class Foo; def foo; @foo; end; def foo=(foo); @foo = foo; end; foo = Foo.new; foo.foo = :foo; foo.foo;
<eval-in___> jhass => /tmp/execpad-13666ee627f2/source-13666ee627f2:7: syntax error, unexpected end-of-input, expecting keyword_end (https://eval.in/196944)
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<miah> those are seperate
<jhass> >> class Foo; def foo; @foo; end; def foo=(foo); @foo = foo; end; end; foo = Foo.new; foo.foo = :foo; foo.foo;
<eval-in___> jhass => :foo (https://eval.in/196945)
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<miah> that bot is useful
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<AlexRussia> @_@
<jhass> that code involved the constant Foo, the method foo, the local variable foo, the local variable/parameter foo in another scope and the instance variable @foo
<jhass> neither really conflicts with the other
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<AlexRussia> >> File.file? "lololo"
<eval-in___> AlexRussia => false (https://eval.in/196946)
<AlexRussia> >> File.directory? "lololo"
<eval-in___> AlexRussia => false (https://eval.in/196947)
<AlexRussia> hm
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<GeorgesLeYeti> Hi
<GeorgesLeYeti> What s the best way to do a begin ... while loop ?
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<AlexRussia> >> class Foo;def foo;@foo=:foo;end;end;Foo.new.foo
<eval-in___> AlexRussia => :foo (https://eval.in/196948)
<AlexRussia> okay...
<jhass> GeorgesLeYeti: you mean a do while loop? if it's more than one line there's no other way than begin; code; end; while condition
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<jhass> AlexRussia: please use your local irb or pry to try stuff, eval-in is for demonstration purposes
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<GeorgesLeYeti> jhass: ok ty that was my question
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<jhass> GeorgesLeYeti: that said I needed those maybe one or two times yet in ruby
<AlexRussia> jhass: pry?
<jhass> AlexRussia: http://pryrepl.org/
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<jhass> GeorgesLeYeti: so maybe there's a more idiomatic way express your problem
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<GeorgesLeYeti> jhass: :D
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<GeorgesLeYeti> jhass: i want to convert a text into a srt file
<GeorgesLeYeti> to be more precise a xml file to a srt
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<jhass> maybe share the code you have so far at gist.github.com
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<GeorgesLeYeti> jhass: actually i just start and it s a complety mess
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<jhass> well, it's hard to suggest anything on such a high level ;)
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<jhass> You do feed the xml through a proper parser I suppose?
<AlexRussia> oh
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<AlexRussia> jhass: we have no way to get parent directory path?
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<jhass> AlexRussia: File.dirname
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<AlexRussia> jhass: ok,ty
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<AlexRussia> jhass: hm, what method works inverse than File.dirname?
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<jhass> "inverse"?
<AlexRussia> yes
<AlexRussia> not parrent
<AlexRussia> name of current
<jhass> it's not clear
<jhass> File.basename
<AlexRussia> ah
<AlexRussia> yep
<AlexRussia> :)
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<lukevinc> How i call a module which i installed through gem?
<lukevinc> include Linguistics?
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<jhass> lukevinc: depends. What gem?
<lukevinc> Linguistics.use(:en)
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<lukevinc> Linguistics
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<jhass> gem usually have all lowercase names
<jhass> *gems
<lukevinc> Really? I thought ModuleNames should use CamelUpperCase
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<jhass> you need to separate three things here
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<jhass> the name of the gem
<jhass> the names of the files shipped by the gems
<jhass> and the names of the modules and classes that are defined in those files
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<lukevinc> hmmm
<jhass> you install by the gems name
<jhass> you require by the file name
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<lukevinc> linguistics.rb
<jhass> and you call the API by the module/class names
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<jhass> so require 'linguistics'
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<workmad3> alternatively, you read the gem's Readme file to see if there's any variations off standard usage
<lukevinc> require is for ruby files, include is for modules of ruby library?
<jhass> no
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<jhass> the standard library follows the same patterns
<workmad3> lukevinc: 'require' loads a ruby file if it hasn't already been loaded
<jhass> they're just shipped with ruby
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<jhass> require 'ostruct'; OpenStruct.new
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<lukevinc> can i include linguistics instead of require, hmmm, let me see, i have to see which class i will include
<jhass> it's not instead
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<jhass> they do not relate, they do very different things
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<workmad3> lukevinc: 'require' loads code... 'include' will only work with modules that have already been loaded
<waxjar> include is used to include the instance methods of one Module into another Module (or Class)
<workmad3> lukevinc: i.e. you will need *both* if it's a gem that works via 'include'
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<waxjar> require and load are used to load ruby *files*
<waxjar> require will only load a file once, load doesn't care and will happily load it again
<lukevinc> right, i can require specific methods too using use
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<jhass> ?!
<jhass> who said that
<lukevinc> after require 'linguistics', i did Linguistics.use(:en)
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<jhass> that was badly worded then
<waxjar> that's a class method on Linguistics, not a general thing
<jhass> yeah, I don't know what makes you say that
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<lukevinc> i use 'use', i say to ruby, i will use only method :en, not the entire file, right?
<jhass> no
<jhass> not at all
<Pulpie> which way is the ruby way: data = {}; data['test'] = "test"; ... OR data = { 'test' => 'test' }
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<waxjar> that "use" is something specific to the linguistics library you're using lukevinc
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<jhass> Pulpie: I'd vote for the later
<waxjar> require, load and include are methods from ruby core
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<wasamasa> workmad3: this sounds terribly like what elisp does
<lukevinc> ok, but why en doesn't work if i don't specify it? when you require a file it doesn't import everything?
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<wasamasa> if the file requires files on its own, guess what happens
<wasamasa> that's right, it loads those, too
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<lukevinc> if i create a module, a class and put a method inside, when i do require, it will import the method i created
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<lukevinc> why not :en
<lukevinc> ?
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<waxjar> do you read what we're saying lukevinc?
<lukevinc> yes
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<lukevinc> i just didn't understood so well
<lukevinc> linguistics is a file, linguistics.rb, use is a method of which class?
<lukevinc> :en is a method of which class?
<waxjar> the class or module called Linguistics
<waxjar> :en is a Symbol
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<waxjar> you're calling Linguistics.use with the argument :en
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<lukevinc> :en is a symbol which tells to use method to class linguistics to recognize method en, hmmm, makes sense
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<lukevinc> right, i think i got it
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<lukevinc> i'm a fool, i should read linguistics.rb, ruby is so easy to read.
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<unshadow> Hi guys , I need some help with Ruby Multi-threading , I got a question over at Stack, someone can answer there or here and i'll update it ? http://stackoverflow.com/questions/25960176/multi-threading-in-ruby
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<jhass> unshadow: you shouldn't need to call Thread.exit there, it should die on its own after all code is run. I see nothing obviously wrong in the code you've shown (though I don't get why @client needs to an instance variable), so I'd bet on synchronization issues in pass_ok
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<jhass> unshadow: how, Thread#new (#fork and so on) don't evaluate the block in their instance scope, so the block is evaluated in it's defined scope, which makes @client global state that is undeterminstically overwritten
<jhass> *oh
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<unshadow> Ok ! now I get it, so the Client is getting lost every connection .... I thought it will stay unique for each thread (the reason for the '@' is I use that value for other things in the code that follows)
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<jhass> unshadow: if you can't be bothered to define your own Thread subclass and extract the code "that follows" into it, you want a thread local, see Thread.current and Thread#[], Thread#[]=
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<jhass> or just pass client explicitly around
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<Hanmac> banister & shevy rewrite from gemtree: https://gist.github.com/Hanmac/cb9e13ff220e4f31e13a ... now with classes and rubocop currently only finds "10 offenses detected"
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<banister> Hanmac that's cool mang, keep up the good work
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<jhass> Hanmac: why not make it a gem?
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<Hanmac> jhass: hm maybe if i rewrite the other ones too and then ship it as bundle of scripts ... doing a gem for a single file would be a bit overkill
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<jhass> would it?
<jhass> also you have classes now, no harm in splitting them into multiple files ;)
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<jhass> well, not the classes, but the script
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<MaciejCzyzewski> Hi folks!
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<MaciejCzyzewski> What's going on?
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<centrx> Ruby
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<MaciejCzyzewski> ...
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<MaciejCzyzewski> centrx, you are always online on this channel?
<centrx> negatory
<MaciejCzyzewski> ^^
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<GingerNinja23> Hello!!!
<GingerNinja23> I am new to ruby
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<GingerNinja23> Can anyone suggest me how to learn ruby
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<GingerNinja23> I have worked on python already
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<GingerNinja23> Anybody there ?
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<jhass> GingerNinja23: start with tryruby.org
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<jhass> then maybe koans if you're already programming sometime
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<jhass> make sure to ask all your silly questions here in the process
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<GingerNinja23> Thank you guys ! :)
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<jhass> if you know the basics of the syntax porting some of your more basic python scripts could be a good experience
<jhass> ask here for reviews after that
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<GingerNinja23> Sure
<GingerNinja23> Thanks @jhass
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<bascht> GingerNinja23: And most of all: Have fun doing it. :)
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<bonhoeffer> what is the ^ operator in ruby?
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<bonhoeffer> as in "(a.hex ^ b.hex).to_s(16)"
<bonhoeffer> ah : Binary XOR Operator
<bonhoeffer> sorry
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<claw__> how can i set value for option2 ?
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<jhass> claw__: foo(:a, :b)
<claw__> jhass, and if i dont want to set :a ?
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<jhass> you can't
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<claw__> ah okay.... i guessed so
<jhass> use named parameters or an options hash
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<benlieb> does anyone know of a time duration gem that handles milliseconds?
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<claw__> benlieb, Time.now.to_f - Time.now.to_f
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<benlieb> claw__: I'm storing video timestamps as 00:00:00.000 strings, but I need to calculate the difference in time between them. I was using Duation, or Chronic Duration, but they drop the miliseconds
<benlieb> claw__: they're not technically dates
<benlieb> I guess they are times though
<benlieb> hm
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<yxhuvud> benlieb: what version of ruby do you have?
<benlieb> yxhuvud: this project is 1.8.7 (i know, i know)
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<yxhuvud> then the support for displaying milliseconds depends on time class.
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<yxhuvud> 18>> Time.now.strftime("%H:%M:%S.%3N")
<eval-in___> yxhuvud => "20:05:42.%3N" (https://eval.in/196977)
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<yxhuvud> 18>> Time.now.usec
<eval-in___> yxhuvud => 53338 (https://eval.in/196978)
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<yxhuvud> ah right. it has it, but strftime doesn't support it.
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<benlieb> yxhuvud: nope :(
<benlieb> I can't believe that
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<yxhuvud> I can recommend upgrading to a version of ruby that isn't prehistoric
<benlieb> yxhuvud: yeah I agree
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<benlieb> but one would still hope that ruby from 5 years ago would be able to handle milliseconds
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<benlieb> they existed back then
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<yxhuvud> the 1.8 version number was started back in the 90s though.
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<yxhuvud> and ruby didn't get big until later
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<benlieb> yxhuvud: (1.123450).seconds => 1.12345 seconds
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<benlieb> How does irc know to print "1.5 seconds" when I type 1.5.seconds => 1.5 seconds if 1.5.seconds.class => Float
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<jhass> benlieb: might be delegated, check 1.5.seconds.method(:class).source_location
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<benlieb> jhass: ruby 1.8.7 no source_location
<benlieb> :(
<jhass> you can't be helped then ;)
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<benlieb> don't i know it
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<Hanmac> benlieb: #seconds is Rails / activesupport shit
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<profelm> Hey guys, I have a question. I'm writing a module. This module reads from txt files and creates an array of strings. Is there a way that I can cache that result so that I don't always read each file?
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<profelm> This is Breevy can automatically correct your spelling errors (typos) in any application, too.
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<profelm> That is what I have in mind.
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<profelm> Any suggestions?
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<jhass> profelm: a common pattern is http://paste.mrzyx.de/p5f44f199/
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<profelm> Thanks jhass !
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<shevy> $(function() { $( "#draggable" ).draggable(); });
<shevy> isn't javascript pretty
<wallerdev_> jquery is gross lol
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<wallerdev_> jquery is the php of javascript
<wallerdev_> just people who dont know what theyre doing pasting random snippets from blogs until they have something working
<shevy> well ok
<shevy> I googled for "draggable html elements"
<shevy> the first answer was "use jquery"... the second was to use some grid-layout.js stuff (which actually is quite cool, but I needed free movement, not grid-constrained box movement)
<shevy> third result - again jquery
<shevy> and that drag and drop actually works
<shevy> it's just so ugly :(
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<wallerdev_> haha well if you search like build a dynamic website, the top results are php
<wallerdev_> no different
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<shevy> this part I don't quite understand
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<shevy> I mean you can extend ruby to rival php right? most of the stuff that php gives is already available in core ruby
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<wallerdev_> well php is built for the web, and people who write ruby dont really want it to be php
<wallerdev_> they like object oriented things
<wallerdev_> organization and all that
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<shevy> php got OOP :)
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<wallerdev_> yeah but the people reading/writing the intro tutorials don't want to teach someone OOP just to make a site that displays the current date lol
<wallerdev_> and php has a crazy install base and easy setup, like i can search web host, click the first one and upload a php file to their ftp and have a site up, thats just how easy it is haha
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<wmoxam> There is no step 3!
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<shevy> I remember when I first worked through PHP OOP I thought
<shevy> "hey... I finally understand what OOP is all about"
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<wallerdev_> ive got no idea how php OO works haha, someone wanted to work with me a long way back on a php project and he was using OO and i had no idea what any of the code did, i ended up learning OO from a book on java when my AP computer science teacher couldnt explain it lol
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<shevy> hmm
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<benzrf> ew
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<Hanmac> i recently tryed to wrote something like Rubyis Enumerable in PHP (like a module that define many methods that each depend on one method) ... you can FORGET it because you cant write something like that in PHP ... or i dont know how
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<shevy> the better language brings you farther down the road
<shevy> ruby now autogenerates the jquery code for me
<shevy> drag_and_drop :id_here
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<shevy> it would be so much better if I could just use pure ruby though
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<shevy> jquery even has two separates files you seem to have to require for drag and drop functionality
<shevy> jQuery Core 2.1.1 and jQuery UI 1.11.1
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<shevy> damn it
<shevy> where is apeiros
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<soahccc> shevy: Opal? :)
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<shevy> I still haven't understood opal yet
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<fennec> heyo. anyone in here know how to set up C extensions? i've got the basic approach but I'm having some trouble with the extconf.rb and other namey-things.
<eam> fennec: sure what's up?
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<jhass> fennec: I don't but as an advice, ask your question, not for a person that might or might not have the answer
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<fennec> eam - so i've got a class and it's got a method that's hot as hellfire (sez the profiler) and I'd like to make it faster.
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<fennec> and I'm trying to put _just that method_ into C, and I'm a little uncertain what the C-code layout should be
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<eam> can you share the method?
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<fennec> i guess I could but I want help with the layout first. if I've got a Foo::Bar::Node class and I want to set it up, is it convention to make a void Init_foo_bar_node_node(void) {} initializer and put it in an ext/foo/bar/node directory as node.c?
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<fennec> then require foo/bar/node/node in the Ruby class on top of it?
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* fennec lumbers over to the gist with a bunch of files in the meantime
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<fennec> yes, this is for an interview problem, which is the only reason that I'm bothering trying to make a treap in Ruby. no, the c extension isn't part of the interview problem explicitly, it's me going for bonus points and learning a new thing :b
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<fennec> hmm. guessing from the output the path tmp/x86_64-darwin13.0/dw/sset/treap/node/2.1.2/dw/sset/treap/node.bundle might be suspicious. too much echo.
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<fennec> jhass- see the problem is that if I ask for advice on a problem that's actually tricky then no one responds for a while and by the time they do my understanding of the problem has changed so i've wasted my time describing my understanding and theirs trying to solve a roadblock that's the first roadblock that I've hit so thanks for the advice but i was kind of trying to deliberately override it because i knew better than to think it would work :b
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<jhass> fennec: my experience is just that you miss opportunities this way. People usually don't want to commit to you (or your general, broad topic), be it for time reasons or not being or feeling like an expert in the topic. I can say this from both, observation as well as personal experience
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<jhass> there's no harm to constantly update the channel of your understanding, you don't need someone holding your hand and listening while doing that
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<Arahael> fennec: it's actually really helpful for us (not rubists, but devs in general) to see how a particular issue was resolved.
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<Arahael> fennec: and i'm sure you do too as you do research, read other people's issues and their proposed fixes, etcetera.
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<fennec> Arahael- well the state of things is that I have set up a bunch of files in a certain configuration of relationships to each other and it's not working and i'm trying a bunch of other configurations and they're not working.
<fennec> i mean this totally unironically. seriously. it's stupidly fiddly. :b
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<jhass> that's why I want crystal to succeed. Gotta write a go-workers like thingy for it someday