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<Splintor> heyas
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<xlogic> hey!
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<xlogic> Anyone having issues installing nokogiri on Mavericks :S?
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<jhass> I don't. That may be because I don't use OS X though
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<atmosx> xlogic: not me
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<xlogic> well ... I'll continue cutting my wrists then
<xlogic> alone :D!
<xlogic> it's a freaking nightmare to install nokogiri on mavericks
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<bricker`LA> xlii: what's the problem? Nokogiri is often problematic
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<benzrf> who made rvm again
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<benzrf> isnt there a ddd who comes in here
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<bricker`LA> I need to update the PID file of a running god watch, is this a solved problem?
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<j_mcnally> bricker`LA: why would the pid change?
<bricker`LA> j_mcnally: it's for searchd, sometimes we need to stop, index, and start it again
<bricker`LA> j_mcnally: and I need god to pickup the new pid
<j_mcnally> that makes sense
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<bricker`LA> I know there are a bunch of other ways to do it, but I'm trying to accomplish this without having to unmonitor the process, because the users running the searchd commands won't have sudo access
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<bricker`LA> (which is required by god.rb)
<j_mcnally> bricker`LA: so that excludes using god to stop and start searchd?
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<j_mcnally> update a new pid only solves part of the problem, as soon as you stop searchd its gonna start it again unless you unmonitor no?
<bricker`LA> j_mcnally: the users (rundeck mostly) won't be able to do that either, basically all they can do is use the Thinking Sphinx rake interface
<bricker`LA> j_mcnally: I made a special poll conditon for that case
<bricker`LA> it works, it just comes back up with a different PID
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<bricker`LA> and then god can no longer manage that process
<j_mcnally> would w.pid_file help
<j_mcnally> you could just write the new pid to a file?
<bricker`LA> j_mcnally: ah, that's an easy solution I hadn't considered
<bricker`LA> well
<bricker`LA> actually
<bricker`LA> nevermind
<bricker`LA> searchd is already doing that
<j_mcnally> did u tell your watcher to use the pid file?
<bricker`LA> God must store the PID in memory instead of reading it from the file every time it needs it (understandably)
<bricker`LA> yes
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<bricker`LA> I guess I could pass the watch object into the condition, and then update the PID file from inside of the condition
<bricker`LA> doesn't feel right though
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<j_mcnally> bricker`LA: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ i dont use god alot just throwing some idea around
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<bricker`LA> according to the source, it actually does read the file every time you call the pid method... maybe it's being cached somewhere else
<bricker`LA> so maybe setting w.pid_file from inside the condition would work
<bricker`LA> It feels gross but I've done worse things
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<bricker`LA> wait
<bricker`LA> now I've confused myself
<bricker`LA> if it's reading the file every time, I shouldn't need to set it
<bricker`LA> it doesn't matter anyways, the pid file is the same, just the contents are different
<j_mcnally> bricker`LA: yes i would assume it was designed exactly for your use case?
<bricker`LA> j_mcnally: perhaps
<bricker`LA> based on my current understanding, this should be working, so I am missing something
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<bricker`LA> So this is confusing me... https://github.com/mojombo/god/blob/master/lib/god.rb#L491-L494 If I comment out the Threads, stopping totally works
<bricker`LA> But with them, it's inconsistent... sometimes one of the 3 watches stops, sometimes two, sometimes all of them...
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<bricker`LA> wtf is going on here: https://github.com/mojombo/god/issues/189
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<ineb> are 'threads.each { |thread| thread.join }' and 'threads.each(&:join)' equivalent?
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<gr33n7007h> ineb, exactly the same
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<ineb> gr33n7007h: whats with the ampersand in the 2nd statement? i thought it was a reference to the current element, but [1,2,3].each{ puts &:to_s } f.eks is not working
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<apeiros_> ineb: & tells ruby to convert the object into a block
<siwica> Do you know of an irc channel to discuss general questions about rest apis?
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<apeiros_> ineb: it does so by first converting the object to a Proc, by calling .to_proc on it
<apeiros_> siwica: #rubyonrails, #sinatra, #nodejs I guess
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<siwica> apeiros_: I am not concerned with a specific framework though
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<apeiros_> siwica: I understood that. but I doubt that there's #restapi
<siwica> apeiros_: I am using neither of these and I am not interested in the actual implementation
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<siwica> wel ok
<apeiros_> siwica: then why do you ask here? :-p
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<siwica> apeiros_: you gotta start somewhere :P
<apeiros> see
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<siwica> a book recommendation would be appreciated too
<ineb> apeiros_: & represents proc from the current element?
<apeiros> ineb: it's just a syntax element informing ruby about your intent
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<apeiros> ineb: similarly like "" for strings tell ruby that the string starts and ends there
<ineb> sweeper_: RESTful Web Services maybe
<ineb> mhhhh
<apeiros> siwica: google for steve klabnik. I think he wrote one on how to design APIs
<siwica> apeiros: ok, cool. thanks
<siwica> ineb: Ok, I will check this
<ineb> sorry, i highlighted the wrong user
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<shevy> siwica there is #rest
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<shevy> hmmmmm
<shevy> does Regexp.quote() change the encoding?
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<shevy> wow
<shevy> it does
<shevy> x = "abc"; x.encoding # => #<Encoding:US-ASCII>
<shevy> x.encode!('ASCII-8BIT'); x.encoding # => #<Encoding:ASCII-8BIT>
<shevy> test = Regexp.quote(x); test.encoding # => #<Encoding:US-ASCII>
<shevy> is this expected behaviour?
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<shevy> or perhaps the question is why it defaults to US_ASCII, in the event that it would be unable to cope with ASCII-8BIT
<shevy> US-ASCII rather
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<ineb> apeiros: okay, now i understand threads.each(&:join). not so trivial for me, though.
<apeiros> ineb: it's normal that it is not trivial at this point. don't worry ;-)
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<Hanmac> shevy it only tries to make the endocing as basic as possible ... so if you have a string like "ä" then the encoding will not be changed ...
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<shevy> hmm
<atmosx> hello shevy
<shevy> Hanmac but how do I know beforehand which methods will forcibly change the encoding?
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<shevy> hey atmosx I see you must now be in another location :>
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<shevy> hey Hanmac look - require_relative causes problems :-)
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<Hanmac> hm yeah ok, but how often do you use symlinks with require relative?
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<atmosx> shevy: hehe yeap
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<shevy> Hanmac I don't
<shevy> because of two reasons
<shevy> I don't use require_relative
<shevy> and I just about have no symlinks in my ruby projects to other .rb files
<shevy> I do have one symlink in a ruby project to a directory with 2784 yaml files though
<shevy> I don't quite know why he uses symlinks hahaha
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<bricker`LA> what's a good word for "backups which are historical", vs "backup which gets overwritten every time". I'm tired and can't think of a better way to explain it
<bricker`LA> for something like databases, you migt want to rollback to a specific time, but additive data doesn't need to have rollback states like that
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<apeiros> bricker`LA: archive vs. stand-by?
<apeiros> maybe somebody has better terms, though
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<matty1234> Hi, has anyone here tried installing discourse?
<shevy> matty1234 I think others tried it
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<matty1234> For the life of me i can't get the mail settings to work
<vyorkin> hi everyone! i've have a problem with rmagick, all i need is to draw a gradient line on a canvas... i know that i can do this using 'montage' utility from imagemagick, but how i can do that with RMahick?
<matty1234> so I'm stuck trying to figure out how to access the DB directly. I'm a LAMP person not a ruby so this is particularly painful
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<matty1234> Would anyone know what Database discourse uses?
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<sevenseacat> check the database.yml?
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<sevenseacat> its postgres by default
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<vitaly1> hi guys
<matty1234> when i try to access psql i get this error
<matty1234> what does that mean?
<matty1234> this is weird since my discourse app can obviously connect to it
<vitaly1> means that psql is not listening for local socket
<sevenseacat> the discourse app is connecting to it differently than you are, obviously
<matty1234> Yes, that's what I'm trying to figure our, how it's doing that
<matty1234> I need to connect to the discourse DB
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<sevenseacat> check the database.yml
<vitaly1> matty1234: use ip address instead of localhost
<vitaly1> 127.0.0.1 or so
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<sevenseacat> there you go, you need to connect to localhost
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<vitaly1> sevenseacat: wrong
<vitaly1> sevenseacat: he should use ip address
<sevenseacat> lol
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<sevenseacat> why? the discourse app isnt.
<matty1234> huh?
<vitaly1> sevenseacat: localhost leads to connecting to psql using local socket
<vitaly1> matty1234: did you try 127.0.0.1 instead of localhost?
<sevenseacat> sigh.
<vitaly1> guys, any of you use rubocop gem?
<matty1234> psql 127.0.0.1 ?
<vitaly1> you want to connect from command line?
<sevenseacat> thats what he's been saying all along, yes.
<vitaly1> psql -U yourusername -h 127.0.0.1
<matty1234> yes
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<sevenseacat> except use localhost.
<matty1234> could not connect to server: Connection refused
<vitaly1> wrong pw?
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<vitaly1> so, guys, who of you produces good short readable code on ruby? I need an advice on refactoring
<matty1234> rawr, this is hard
<matty1234> i can't even find the username passwords files for the DB
<sevenseacat> its in the database.yml.
<vitaly1> matty1234: try to skip username and conenct to there just by using:
<vitaly1> psql -h 127.0.0.1 discourse_development
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<sevenseacat> use the exact same credentials as in the database.yml. ignore vitaly1.
<matty1234> I installed discourse using Docker btw
<vitaly1> where is your application running?
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<shevy> hehe
<shevy> I especially like the part "ignore vitaly1" as instruction :)
<shevy> vitaly1 ruby code must be like poetry
<wang> matty1234: look at the "expose" section of this readme: https://github.com/discourse/discourse_docker
<matty1234> vitaly1, on linode
<wang> i presume if you are psqling from outside the container, you will need to expose port 5432 to some port on localhost
<sevenseacat> ok i know nothing about docker
<wang> if from inside the container, then presumably whatever is in the database.yml will work
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<matty1234> Hi wang, thanks. I think that's exactly the problem.
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<matty1234> I'm reading the expose documentation but it doesn't exactly tell you how to do that
<vitaly1> shevy: my simplified controller http://pastebin.com/Y5XRdKd8 can you tell me how to make it more readable and simple?
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<wang> i have not used docker myself but there must be docs on that somewhere
<matty1234> I wonder if I should just restart using the non-docker approach
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<shevy> vitaly1 you use a specialized class
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<shevy> vitaly1 as such you don't have much freedom to do things differently
<vitaly1> shevy: any more details? :)
<shevy> what details do you want? you have the constraint in your poetry here
<vitaly1> i dont like flash messages in methods
<shevy> then why do you add them
<vitaly1> also respond method is very big to my taste
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<sevenseacat> flash responders ftw
<wang> matty: is the psql installed inside the container too? maybe you can just... "./launcher ssh" then run psql -h 127.0.0.1 from inside there
<vitaly1> to notify users about status of update/creation
<shevy> by the way vitaly1, you use: flash[:notice] = 'Task item updated' twice
<vitaly1> sevenseacat: explain?
<vitaly1> shevy: just once, first time it's called 'added'
<vitaly1> sevenseacat: thanks :)
<shevy> ok then you call flash[:alert] = 'Save error' twice
<vitaly1> sevenseacat: this way I will be unable to use these responder in input_respond method
<sevenseacat> i didnt actually look at your code, im just reading the discussion on it.
<shevy> lol
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<vitaly1> shevy: that's not about simplifying code :) second call should be read as 'update'.. that doesnt really matter
<shevy> oh ok
<shevy> so you have repetitive lines of code
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<pontiki> time for saturday morning ruby cartoons...
<quux> they exist?
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<pontiki> only if we make them up
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<quux> pontiki: the first thing that came to mind was "I can't draw" - but more pertinently, I should have wondered WTF would even go into them. :)
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<arup_r> I love duck typing.. "quack quack"..
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* Hanmac know images a Dragon wearing a fake duck costume with the image title "the danger of duck-typing"
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<arup_r> heheheh
<shevy> I love duck shooting
<quux> Here's a realistic idea to appear in a Ruby comic, that I am completely relating to at this very moment.
<arup_r> shevy: You can't do so.. I gurantee
<quux> The moment where a code review turns into a complete rewrite, because code review advice would barely scratch the surface.
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<Hanmac> quux: yeah ... or you rewrite everything below but the surface-API does still look the same, even if you changed everything else
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<shevy> what
<shevy> is that how you guys do it
<quux> Hanmac: unfortunately I'm taking the surface API into my rewrite too.
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<quux> them damn internets disconnecting
<quux> who needs em
<Hanmac> quux hm yeah a surface Api rewrite can happen too if you rewrite the below ... but for sample in one of my c++ bindings i did an big rewrite how the pointers are stored ... and i think i am still not finish with rewriting
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<marcanuy> I've defined a layout in a .html file in a jekyll page file but the template code is being added to all the files that the layout loads (css files, etc) any ideas? (I have an empty defaults item in _config.yml)
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<marcanuy> It only happens when the file is in a subdirectory, at the root level works fine
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<atmosx> hello
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<siwica> what is the default location for ruby logfiles?
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<yxhuvud> what do you even mean by a ruby logfile?
<Hanmac> /dev/null ;P
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<yxhuvud> siwica: I guess you are trying to run some app. What app are you running?
<siwica> yxhuvud: grape
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<siwica> yxhuvud: I only get an instance of the Ruby logger and thus can't specify a location for the logfiles
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<yxhuvud> then I don't know. I'd assume that you can assign a new logger when setting up config somehow, though
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<Envek> siwica: try logger.instance_variable_get(:@logdev).filename (where logger is your instance)
<Hanmac> might return nil if STDOUT or STDERR is used, but there still should be some better way
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<siwica> ok, this gives nil
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<siwica> This is probably a stupid question but how can I access messages written to STDOUT?
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<ericwood> they're written to stdout, so it's just outputted by the program, if that makes any sense?
<ericwood> whatever stdout is redirected to
<ericwood> it's all dependent on how the program is being run
<Hanmac> you could use IO#reopen
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<siwica> ericwood: it's a rack application run by passenger
<ericwood> ah okay
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<ericwood> probably to a log file, then
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<siwica> ericwood: I didn't find it in my apache logs, but probably there is some passenger log directory then that I am not aware of
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<ericwood> typically if you're writing a web app you want to have some kind of logging system in place rather than just writing to stdout
<ericwood> timestamps, etc. are all really important debugging info!
<shevy> and the DNA of the programmer in question too
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<siwica> shevy: that'd be only me :)
<ericwood> ugh I can't stand the L character in Consolas...
<ericwood> look at that shit
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<ericwood> otherwise it's a great font, but the word "all" just looks completely jacked
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<mozzarella> use inconsolata then
<ericwood> I use Menlo, but github uses Consolas. I should add a userstyle to fix that
* apeiros uses dejavu
<ericwood> menlo 4 lyfe
<mozzarella> ericwood: are you on a mac?
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<siwica> ericwood: you are definitely right and I will do some reading on setting up a logging system. But since I am learning a lot of other stuff right now (Apache/Passenger/Rack/Grape are all new to me) I want to spend my time on s/th else right now
<ericwood> mozzarella: yah
<mozzarella> ericwood: can you use menlo on linux or is it illegal?
<ericwood> siwica: for sure! As the app grows you'll find the need for a logging system more and more important. Best of luck!
<ericwood> mozzarella: I won't tell on you
<ericwood> it can be our little secret
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<siwica> ericwood: thank you
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<mozzarella> ericwood: can you send me monaco and menlo?
<ericwood> mozzarella: click the link
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<ericwood> mozzarella: quick google search gave me this as well: https://github.com/cstrap/monaco-font
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<mozzarella> thank you bro
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<ericwood> *fistbump*
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<benzrf> er
<benzrf> wrong channel
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<ericwood> irc is hard
<centrx> is that the GUI for Haskell
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<mozzarella> apeiros: yeah, I think I'm going to stick to dejavu sans mono, menlo doesn't look to good when the font is small
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<fennec> i'm looking for rspec advice
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<fennec> in a just and perfect world it would be easy to do the thing I want to do and I don't know if it's easy to do the thing I want to do but I'm hopeful
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<centrx> try minitest instead?
* fennec is trying to write an expectation that a certain operation does not change several values, and chain them together with 'and' but can't figure out how to put in the negative
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<fennec> i can't expect {code}.not_to change { val1 }.and.not_to change {val2} basically
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<waxjar> what's wrong with something like this: code; assert_equal val1, "whatever val 1 should be"; assert_equal val2, "etc"
<waxjar> all these weird dsls :|
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<Hanmac> hm imo minitest/testunit is more readable than rspec ...
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<waxjar> minitest isn't too bad. i love cutest tho
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<fennec> gentlemen there are advantages and disadvantages to both minitest and rspec as expectations frameworks
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<centrx> impossible!
<fennec> however i am not here to solicit advice on which testing framework i should use but rather to solicit advice on using rspec :)
<ericwood> wait, are you telling me that none of them are perfect and you can use them for different situations?!
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<ericwood> :o
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<waxjar> can't you have two expects fennec?
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<fennec> waxjar- well the way it works in the simple case is to expect { code which does something }.to change { statement that returns state of some object }
<fennec> optionally, append that change with .from(initial).to(expected)
<Hanmac> fennec: did you try {code}.not_to change { [val1, val2] } ?
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<fennec> and it's easy to make code.not_to change
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<fennec> and it's easy to say expect {code}.to change {x}.and change {y}
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<fennec> but I can't figure out how to __negate__ changing x and y
<fennec> and yes, I could just share the test setup and run the code again with a different set of expectations attached to it
<fennec> or manually copy the before-state and test that the after-state is the same
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<fennec> but i'm strongly under the impression that rspec is ought to have tools to make this business less obnoxious than all that
<Hanmac> fennec: hm that sound like a logic problem ... the negation of an AND is a NOR ... {code}.not_to change {x}.or change {y} (thats my idea without testing)
<fennec> hmm maybe
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<fennec> ah joy
<fennec> `expect(...).not_to matcher.or matcher` is not supported, since it creates a bit of an ambiguity. Instead, define negated versions of whatever matchers you wish to negate with `RSpec::Matchers.define_negated_matcher` and use `expect(...).to matcher.or matcher`.
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<ericwood> IO::read blocks until the operation completes; but will it block until bytes become available?
<ericwood> right now I have code that uses a sleep to wait for data to become available from the serial device I'm reading from
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<fennec> and of course not_change doesn't exist... aaaargh thanks for nothing rspec
<ericwood> I'd prefer it to not have the sleep, though, but it doesn't work unless I have the sleep there :(
<ericwood> can anyone think of a better way to go about that?
* fennec is writing a solitaire game as an exercise and it would be __real nice__ to be able to say "trying to move the king of clubs to an empty discard pile should return a helpful message to the command loop and not change the contents of any pile" but noooo that'd be too easy
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* fennec forces all the brutes instead. remind me why i'm not just using minitest? ;P
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<waxjar> ericwood: use IO.select to wait until an IO is readable/writeable?
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<ericwood> waxjar: I'm considering that
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<ericwood> waxjar: based on what the #ruby-lang peeps have been saying, setting the read_timeout to 1000 might fix this
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<waxjar> ericwood: strange that #read did not block tho, the #reads in core all do. oh well
<ericwood> waxjar: I think it's timing out instantly if there's nothing available
<ericwood> more of a function of the serialport stuff
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<bricker`LA> Why is knife so rude? "I have no idea what to do with ''... Just say 'Y' or 'N', please" Ruby devs man...
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* apeiros doesn't see how that's rude
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<bricker`LA> It's an impatient computer program for some reason
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<bricker`LA> like it's on the clock
* apeiros doesn't see how that's impatient either
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<bricker`LA> *shrug*
<apeiros> I think you're being a tad bit oversensitive there. but maybe having this opinion is rude too? :-)
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<bricker`LA> nah
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<bricker`LA> I love me some knife
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<shevy> what a rude channel
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<shevy> and why are there only 842 ... yesterday there were almost 1000 :(
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<wasamasa> it's mostly lurkers anyways
<wasamasa> I'm still baffled why the hell they're here
<wasamasa> passive learning?
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<wasamasa> logging?
<wasamasa> are they ghosts in the shell?
<ericwood> they log in but just never go back to the channel
<shevy> yeah, a lot of lurkers
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<shevy> in my peak days of using IRC, I had open like +13 channels. nowadays I try to stay smaller... 6 channels right now, and always trying to see if I can drop more
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<centrx> what's "irc"
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<j_mcnall_> "Internet relay chat"
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<j_mcnall_> centrx: the thing you are using
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<shevy> centrx it is a chat program for php elite coders
<centrx> never heard of him, is he friends with Yukihero Matzumoto
<centrx> oh it's only for 1337s :(
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<shevy> Mon_Ouie that girl talks a lot of crap!
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<shevy> spaaaaam
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<F__i__L> hello! is there any method like str.include?('test_string') but to check if the 'test_string' appears more than x times in str ?
<j_mcnally> F__i__L: you could use match?
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<j_mcnally> F__i__L: check http://www.ruby-doc.org/core-2.1.2/String.html for all the methods
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<bricker`LA> wasamasa: I like to be able to get back to people when I get back... if I'm logged out then I'll never get their message
<wasamasa> bricker`LA: that's why I use bouncers
<bricker`LA> wasamasa: doesn't that still make you idle in the room?
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<apeiros> F__i__L: no direct method to do that. str.scan(substr).size
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<apeiros> +you can use…
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<F__i__L> yeah that's what I did eventually
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<wasamasa> bricker`LA: yes, it does
<wasamasa> bricker`LA: but if you're afraid of being idle, you can just use /away
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<shevy> wow
<shevy> someone is afraid of idling here
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<shevy> let's idle that dude away ...
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<apeiros> he doesn't want to be a part of the 99%
<bricker`LA> wasamasa: I don't think we're talking about the same thing
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<wasamasa> :<
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<matty1234> Hi, can anyone please tell me how I can edit my discourse SMTP settings? I want to move over from MailGun to ManDrill. I can't seem to find the settings file, I even tried doing a grep and find search already
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<matty1234> ?
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<esoghroih> *** hey we want to make a free ruby session/class in phsyical space for total new people -- wanted to know if you thought that would be worthwhile for them -- the goal is really just exposure, so they gain an interest in the future
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<esoghroih> *** hey we want to make a free ruby session/class in phsyical space for total new people -- wanted to know if you thought that would be worthwhile for them -- the goal is really just exposure, so they gain an interest in the future
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<shevy> Does one of you know if I can become another user during a ruby process?
<shevy> e. g. I start as the superuser, then I wish to create some directories + files as another user
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<fennec> shevy -- Process::UID?
<shevy> aha lemme check
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<volty> shevy you should consider using su // or creating the dirs and then changing the owner [and rights]
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<shevy> volty yeah, that would be plan B to modify ownership lateron. The problem is that I need to automate everything, in other words think of a linux from scratch program implemented in pure ruby alone
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<fennec> isn't that called puppet? ;P
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<shevy> hmm
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<shevy> do you compile xorg through puppet?
<jgt> howdy rubyists
<jgt> I have a float, and I’d like to present it nicer
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<jgt> if the float is 3.5, then I’d like to display it as 3.5
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<jgt> if the float is 5.0, I’d like to display it as 5
<jgt> how should I go about that?
<jgt> modulus against 1?
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<jgt> maybe that’s the right way to go
<jgt> if Ruby has anything built in, would be cool to hear about it
<jgt> in any case, grazie for lending me your ears
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<jgt> I shall now jump back on my liger and ride off into the sunset
<jgt> farewell brave soldiers
<volty> i doubt something like that is built-in
<esoghroih> *** hey we want to make a free ruby session/class in phsyical space for total new people -- wanted to know if you thought that would be worthwhile for them -- the goal is really just exposure, so they gain an interest in the future
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<volty> esoghroih: you should try to restate your question
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<esoghroih> *** hey we want to give a free ruby session/class OFFLINE for totally new people -- wanted to know if you thought that would be WORTHWHILE FOR THE LEARNERS -- the goal is really JUST TO INSPIRE PEOPLE
<Bish_> hi, can iterate over a virtual array which only exists because of the [] method?
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<fennec> shevy- you totally _could_, though you might need some custom extension. :) not going to say it's the best idea
<fennec> esoghroih- you're starting to sound like spam it's not nice
<volty> Bish_: yes, and everywhere under the condition that the iterator uses []
<volty> (enumerator!)
<Bish_> well, there is no enumarator that is the problem, the class only provides []
<esoghroih> fennec, you're starting to sound useless, i restated the question
<Splintor> no need to call someone useless if i'm honest
<volty> esoghroih: nobody can extract a bit of sense out of your question
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<Splintor> are you offering mentoring/lessons for people or what is the case esoghroih ?
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<shevy> yeah he is spam advertizing
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<volty> my idea is that he (esoghroih) would be more useful if he just limits himself to just praying (for the progress of ruby) :)
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<esoghroih> Splintor, free session/class for a GROUP, "what is the case" -- the goal is ultimately to exposure programming, and inspire people
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<volty> Bish_: if I remember well you have to mixin Enumerable and implement each (i'm sure here are rubyist that don't pause like me)
<Bish_> well hm , stupid design then
<Bish_> having an array without knowing the size, sucks
<Splintor> my advice is that if you want to keep people from thinking its worthwhile and not spam, please ensure your sentences make sense, otherwise, as people said, it reads like spam
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<volty> esoghroih: or you are trolling or your brain is trolled // you are asking a quite naive (if not stupid) question like «Should I write a nice, useful, book?» (no writer asks such a question)
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<esoghroih> volty, that's why you're stupid if you think it's a stupid question
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<Splintor> esoghroih, i'm not being smart here, but i didn't even realise it was a question
<volty> Bish_: it depends on what your elf is supposed to do, what else you are going to add etc etc
<Bish_> im just playing around with elf files a bit.. in order to learn how they work
<Bish_> so i wanted to iterate over the strings inside one
<esoghroih> Splintor, the people in the session, not you, nobody cares what you think if you think it's spam
<volty> esoghroih: your last is fuzzy // anyway the answer my answer to your (initial) question is : «you think you could write something nice? Just do it!»
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<esoghroih> oh well, waste of my 1 minute to have asked in this waste of a site called freenode, bunch of wasteful people, cya
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<Nilium> Sounds like someone's butthurt?
<Bish_> what a nice fella
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<volty> Bish_: my advice for the novices is «just do it by brute force and refine it (if necessary) later»
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<Splintor> anyway, hi folks, new bloke from irish just dropped in to say hello :)
<Nilium> My advice for novices is just write whatever you want and be prepared to fail.
<Nilium> Though that made more sense back when everyone was asking how to make their own MMORPG.
<volty> more time (fail) ! :)
<Bish> volty, im not a novice, just need to know elfs in detail ;)
<Bish> decided for ruby to learn, since i f***in love ruby
<volty> s/time/times/
<Nilium> ELF the executable or some other elf-like thing?
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<Bish> executeable
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<Nilium> I'd guess it's pretty well-documented at this point.
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<Bish> yeah i know, but learning by doing rocks
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<shevy> Bish what languages did you use before ruby?
<shevy> Nilium on my todo list is still "implement a MUD in ruby"
<Bish> alot :)
<Nilium> That'd actually be pretty interesting to do.
<Nilium> And probably doable.
<volty> btw i am learning haskell // though almost sure it is a useless language, i am going to continue
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<shevy> I failed when I made everything too complicated
<Bish> i needed to look at it, because i was searching a good tiling windowmanager, and monad does configure in haskell
<Nilium> Probably useless at the moment.
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<Bish> didn't like it really much.
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<Nilium> Only tiling WM I've liked has been Awesome.
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<Bish> it's like lisp and ruby had an ugly child.
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<volty> cute!
<Bish> it's not fast, nor is it pretty
<centrx> I'll bet benzrf has something to say about that
<volty> in that lang you are lost when you go beyond fibonacci crap
<Nilium> The problem I mostly see with Haskell is that functional programming isn't what everything else plays nice with
<Bish> Nilium, i tried ALL of them.. and tried i3 at last, which is the best, imho
<Bish> it's not as customizeable as the other ones ( since the configuration files, are running scripts.. i guess.. ) but, it does the most important things.
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<Nilium> Don't think I've tried i3, but it's been a while since I tried running Linux on my machine
<Nilium> Don't really like setting up Ubuntu and don't really have the patience to set up Slackware anymore
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<volty> look: complexity of programming is exponential (big program much bigger gets the complexity), add to that that haskell in itself is exponentially difficult to trace in your mind (when you go beyond the usual tricks / cute single-liner code)
<Bish> well, i couldn't use something else, i'd get mad
<Nilium> I use OS X because it's a nice compromise between having POSIX-y stuff and a shell and having software that doesn't make me want to strangle the people who wrote it
<Nilium> Also, BSD tools.
<centrx> BeOS
<Nilium> Reminds me, need to see what Haiku's doing these days
<Bish> i woudln't be happy with paying so much for a name
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<Bish> don't want to start that war tho :3
<shevy> Bish it's a cult
<centrx> emacs sucks
<volty> i find the gui of os x a nightmare
<Nilium> Then you shouldn't start saying stuff to start a war.
<shevy> Bish you remember the movie fightclub? that's how OSX is
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<Bish> well, they sure didn'T read rule no.1 of the club
<shevy> haha
<Nilium> It's like when I talk about vim, I'm not going to start badmouthing emacs
<shevy> vim sucks
* Nilium drags shevy outside and beats him to death
<Nilium> Anyway, like I said, not going to badmouth emacs.
<centrx> QED
<shevy> btw slackware does not really need much setup, I usually just go for full install and that was it mostly
<shevy> I hate the multilib transition, when I compile wine from source, I cant run 32 bit binaries :(
<shevy> or rather, not the multilib transition, but instead that gcc specifically has had --disable-multilib set on default slackware
<Nilium> Slackware's improved, but I'm the sort of person who wants to reconfigure the kernel on install in Slackware
<shevy> ironically on my current chinese ubuntu (???) gcc was built with --with-multilib-list=m32,m64,mx32 --enable-multilib
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<Nilium> I also prefer clang to gcc, so that doesn't help
<shevy> centrx nothing wrong with that picture, emacs is an operating system after all
<Nilium> Kind of need my C++11 support (and libc++ as a result)
<shevy> though it failed when it wanted to use GNU hurd
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<shevy> but I have heard it is ready next year
* Nilium waits for a rimshot.
<shevy> Bish now look what you started
* centrx is excited about the upcoming release of the Hurd and perl 6
<shevy> Bish you made Nilium so angry
<Bish> sorry.
<shevy> does parrot still require perl 5 for bootstrapping?
<Nilium> The only person I'm angry at is shevy, but I already murdered him.
<shevy> I didn't do anything
<Bish> i like apples.
<Nilium> You know what you did.
<Bish> in my cake.
* Nilium points at shevy, hand twitching
<Nilium> Cake? Pie, fool, pie.
<Nilium> Apple cake is abomination.
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<Nilium> I ought to write a dungeon layou tgenerator.
<Nilium> *layout
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* Bish imagines a world with applecake.
<Bish> hm...
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<Nilium> The trouble with language/OS/editor wars in #ruby is that #ruby is too chill for it.
<sdegutis> How do you cleanly tear down Ruby's state from ruby_init() and friends, so that you can call it again later?
<Nilium> They all die out.
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<Freeaqingme> Hi. I want to remove all elements from a hash that start with a specific string (a substring). How can I do that?
<centrx> elements = values ?
<Freeaqingme> yes
<Nilium> I don't know if there's an equivalent teardown for ruby_init.
<sdegutis> I have tried both ruby_cleanup(0); and ruby_finalize();
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<sdegutis> But either way, when I run that, and then try to re-run ruby_init() and friends, it crashes at ruby_init_loadpath();
<centrx> Freeaqingme, hash.reject { |k,v| v.start_with?(substring) }
<Freeaqingme> centrx, awesome. tnx
<Nilium> Well, teardown that allows reuse, anyway.
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<Nilium> Maybe look at mruby?
<Nilium> Depending on what you're doing with it.
<sdegutis> I did, but I would prefer to link against the system's Ruby instead.
<sdegutis> (OS X)
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<sdegutis> It sounds like I have to have a single Ruby runtime running throughout my program's whole lifetime. That's fine.
<sdegutis> Does ruby_init() affect any global variables or anything?
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<Nilium> Alternatively, keep a subprocess running for spawning new Ruby runtimes?
<sdegutis> I would like to embed Python and Ruby side-by-side in the same process.
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<sdegutis> No, that won't do. It must be the same address space.
<Nilium> Ah, yeah, probably boned then.
<sdegutis> :'(
<sdegutis> Oh well.
<Freeaqingme> centrx, it should work the same with keys, right? I'm using this, but it doesn't seem to work yet (still debugging though...): hash.reject { |k,v| k.start_with?(substring) }
<centrx> "doesn't work"
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<shevy> centrx yeah he said that
<shevy> it does not work
<Freeaqingme> :)
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<shevy> I think his cat sabotaged him
<centrx> ||=*;
<shevy> Freeaqingme does it work now?
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<shevy> and you know the difference between .reject and .reject! ?
<Freeaqingme> shevy, I'm trying to rule things out. But it's behind many layers of puppet encapsulation. Hence I was wondering if it was supposed to work in the first place based on keys. Which I'd guess it would
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<Freeaqingme> shevy, first returns a new value, second manipulates it in place?
<wasamasa> sdegutis: why both?
<sdegutis> Because money.
<shevy> Freeaqingme yeah
<sdegutis> wasamasa: also JS and Lua
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<Freeaqingme> shevy, I'm running my puppet run again. That may very well be/have been it
* wasamasa is not sure whether trolling or stupid
<sdegutis> wasamasa: neither
<wasamasa> .-.
<sdegutis> wasamasa: although I am a bit insulted by that
<sdegutis> but i dont take it personally; you just dont know the context
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<shevy> Freeaqingme the way you described it scares me immensely
<shevy> I hate remote debugging
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<Freeaqingme> shevy, I'm able to do most of it in separate files first. But Puppet doesn't support removing elements from an array (each variable is considered immutable). So this is what I'm doing right now: $discard_service = inline_template('<%= @exported_services.reject!{ |k,v| k.start_with?(scope.lookupvar("::fqdn") + "-") } %>')
<Freeaqingme> That gives you an idea ;)
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<ericwood> there's a puppet channel iirc
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<sdegutis> wasamasa: im embedding 4 languages into my app; ive embedded all 4 of them before, so i know thats not dumb; im assuming you suggest its dumb to embed them all simeltnaously'
<Freeaqingme> ericwood, I know. I'm there as well. My question however was a specific ruby question
<ericwood> ah okay
<sdegutis> wasamasa: and my JS and Lua libs are very self-contained and play nicely with the environment
<ericwood> just makin sure :D
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<sdegutis> wasamasa: ive heard Python is a mostly-good citizen too; but Ruby is a bit rude
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<wasamasa> :|
<sdegutis> Does ruby_init() hijack any global state, i.e. signal handlers or anything?
<sdegutis> wasamasa: whats with the flat mouth?
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<sdegutis> My questions are too hard.
<centrx> sdegutis, also try #ruby-lang
<sdegutis> thx
<centrx> sdegutis, also weekdays during the day (America/Europe) are the most active in general
<Lewix> hello
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<ericwood> hi
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<pontiki> sdegutis: are you embedding JS in your app?
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<shevy> hmmm
<shevy> >> "test" =~ /TEST/i
<eval-in_____> shevy => 0 (https://eval.in/193284)
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<centrx> >> "shevy" =~ /SHEVY_COOLNESS_LEVEL/
<eval-in_____> centrx => nil (https://eval.in/193285)
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<shevy> you got a typo there
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<shevy> you should have checked for the ULTRA_COOLNESS
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<pontiki> >> "shevy" =~ /SHEVY_ULTRA_COOLNESS_LEVEL/
<eval-in_____> pontiki => nil (https://eval.in/193286)
<pontiki> still nil
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<shevy> :(
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<sdegutis> pontiki: yes
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<pontiki> sdegutis: that's pretty cool
<sdegutis> meh
<pontiki> could you then extend that for coffeescript and clojurescript?
<sdegutis> sure why not
<shevy> could you then switch to ruby entirely?
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<sdegutis> yea
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<shevy> \o/
<shevy> I support you spiritually
<shevy> until then
<shevy> I wish to enjoy your suffering and pain :>
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<pontiki> what a vampire
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<shevy> awwww he couldn't take it
<sdegutis_> wat
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<centrx> Does node.js work well with cobol on cogs?
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<pontiki> trololololololo!
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<shevy> oh he just has an extra _ now
<shevy> very stylish
<shevy> and clever
<centrx> sneaky
<centrx> can't fool us though
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<sdegutis_> the hardest part about this will be supporting callbacks :/
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<centrx> :(
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<shevy> I have recently faced myself with two choices of what I should learn next
<shevy> (1) rails
<shevy> (2) C
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<Radar> shevy: (3) Golang
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<pontiki> flip a coin, it hardly matters
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