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<soulisson>
Hi, is that an accurate description of what an object is: "something that contains data and functions"?
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<agent_white>
Pretty much yeup! Ones I've heard more are 'attributes and behavior', or 'state and behavior'. Whatever floats yer boat.
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<agent_white>
To be pendantic, data and functions is pretty much just code, whereas behavior implies something specific to a certain entity.
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<soulisson>
agent_white: someone told me it wasn't good because objects don't actually contain code but isn't that more on the implementation level. For instance we call an object's method
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<agent_white>
What do you (or he/she) mean by 'doesn't contain code'?
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<soulisson>
agent_white: it doesn't contains functions.
<agent_white>
How so?
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<agent_white>
I'm confused by that.
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<soulisson>
agent_white: I think he was referring to the way things are implemented and the fact that functions are shared by the instances of a class and the fact there is a function per instance
<agent_white>
Don't namespaces contain data and methods though?
<agent_white>
I dunno, "functions and data" is a bit vague. Check the link above: behavior and attributes imply they are tied to something.
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<agent_white>
'Data' and 'functions' a bit more agnostic.
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<soulisson>
agent_white: but is it ok to think about objects the way it's depicted in the diagram?
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<agent_white>
soulisson: Not sure? I'm not familiar with procedural programming at all, so someone else here likely knows better than I.
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<agent_white>
More important is what lead to that question.
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<soulisson>
agent_white: I was trying to get a good understanding of what an object is in OOP
<agent_white>
It's the cookie you made from the cutter! :D
<agent_white>
soulisson: Don't get hung up on grammar though, more important is the concept itself.
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<soulisson>
agent_white: yes, I was trying to understand the concept and for me an object is bundle that contains attributes and methods but I'm not sure
<agent_white>
soulisson: If you can, you should pickup POODR (Practical Object Oriented Design in Ruby) by Sandi Metz. Highly recommended by folks around here to understand OOP and how Ruby does it (duck-typing, etc.).
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<soulisson>
agent_white: ok, thank you
<agent_white>
Mhm!
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<agent_white>
She's a great speaker and the example she uses here is the one she uses in her book.
<soulisson>
I'll take a look
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<agent_white>
Her approach to it is in a refactoring sense; not 'here's the right way the first time', it's more of a 'well yes, this works, but here's the caveats and how to avoid them... oh no, it's better, but here's another thing to consider'.
<agent_white>
iono. Very pragmatic. It's rad.
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<Radar>
With this output of RubyProf: "13.26% (91.02%) ReportDateRange#last_response_time [2 calls, 4 total]" what does "4 total" represent?
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<havenwood>
Radar: Looks like "`call_info.called` calls, `call_info.target.call_infos.sum(&:called)` total", whatever that means.
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<matthewd>
Radar: Is that when looking at something's outgoing calls? Sounds like this thing called that method twice, and something else called it two more times. Maybe.
<matthewd>
I don't profile enough to remember everything :/ .. end up having to work out relationships from context each time
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<Radar>
Looking at it a bit closer: I think it is how many times the method is called _total_ across the entire profiling session. "calls" is how many times it is called in that particular branch.
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<mikecmpbll>
nbol : what precisely? there's quite a lot there.
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<mikecmpbll>
oh the local variable thing. nvm i can't explain it in any intelligent way anyway, i just know about it.
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<nbol>
yea, it just really surprised me
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<manveru>
you can always use self.foo if you want the method to be called
<manveru>
as soon as ruby sees a local variable, even if it's not being set, it won't think that it's a method anymore
<nbol>
well, it's easy enough to always prefix instance variables with @ so the code stays readable, so it's not really a problem
<manveru>
or you can use foo() to force it to use the method
<manveru>
but ideally, you don't use conflicting names :)
<nbol>
and it's not a method, just an instance variable
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<toretore>
nbol: `foo` is never an instance variable; an ivar always starts with @
<toretore>
`foo` is, in order of precedence: 1) a local variable, or 2) a method
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<nbol>
oh, right
<nbol>
so referencing it as foo calls the getter function?
<nbol>
I've always though of it as just another way of referencing the instance variable
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<manveru>
no, it calls the method, attr_accessor defines the `foo` and `foo=` methods for you
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<nbol>
thanks, that really cleared it up for me
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<gbt>
hi, am new to ruby.. our developers want to provide us with an applicaiton config file but the values come from a database...e.g. LOCATION=<select location from * where blah eq blah> ... Is it possible to embed sql queries directly into an ERB template?, so that developers can throw the whole ERB to us with all the required SQL embeddd, so that we can run it ( i guess using a ruby command that evaluates an ERB) and it outputs a lovely config file
<gbt>
with all correct values (from DB) ?
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<gbt>
so the final file will have a flat text config file that has
<gbt>
LOCATION=London
<gbt>
etc
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<manveru>
gbt: well... almost
<manveru>
you need to call a method that actually executes the query too :)
<manveru>
{} is an object, it has keys and values, {"key": "value"}
<manveru>
the value in your case is the sql string
<manveru>
you replace the value with the result of the query
<manveru>
so it becomes {"key": "result"}
<manveru>
does that make sense so far?
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<manveru>
if you JSON.parse a json file, you get a simple Hash back
<gbt>
mmmm, ok, just a little lost ...the query string sits as a json 'value' to the 'key' called LOCATION ... i guess im not clear on what will execute that query from the JON doc
<manveru>
ruby executes the query
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<manveru>
but you also need something like sequel to connect to the database first
<gbt>
ah is see so my ruby script would contain ...require 'json'; require 'pp'; pp JSON.parse(open('your.json')).map{|key, query| [key, execute(query)] }.to_h
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<manveru>
well, that's a start
<manveru>
the above will fail, since `execute` is not defined
<gbt>
would the ruby script not need to include any mysql libary or sql parsing libarry, or is that built in to ruby
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<manveru>
that's why you need the sequel library too
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<apeiros>
Ovsjah: critical failure! please reboot the system!
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<StoneCypher>
I'm missing something stupid about how to use byebug. I've gem installed and bundle installed. require 'byebug' can't include such a file, and just trying to use it, undefined local variable or method
<StoneCypher>
i just want a breakpoint. is byebug the wrong choice?
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<apeiros>
what is the precise code you use to require byebug?
<StoneCypher>
literally just the line `byebug`
<apeiros>
that's not how you load code in ruby
<apeiros>
`require 'byebug'`
<StoneCypher>
well, i tried require 'byebug'
<SeepingN>
load "/path/to/said/file.rb"
<StoneCypher>
well, i tried require 'byebug''require 'byebug' can't
<StoneCypher>
i feel like my question pretty clearly said what happened when i tried that (shrugs)
<StoneCypher>
SeepingN: i have no idea where the gem installed, and nothing else in the system seems to be loaded that way
<apeiros>
and what happened when you did `require 'byebug'`?
<StoneCypher>
like the question says, "can't include such file"
<apeiros>
StoneCypher: please, don't pull it from your head, copy and paste
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<SeepingN>
so you don't even meet the requirements
<StoneCypher>
package managers are supposed to install requirements :/
<StoneCypher>
ah, that's working, then
<StoneCypher>
SeepingN: thanks
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<apeiros>
I can't install a 1.9.3 to test, but byebug lists 2.0 as requirement. I don't think rubygems would let you install it without at least a warning on an older ruby.
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<aot>
is it still possible to write python scripts in latin1?
<aot>
or ruby
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<apeiros>
no idea about python, but ruby yes - but ruby I think you still can, by setting an encoding comment
<apeiros>
however, it's IMO a rather bad idea to do so
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<sparr>
[{x:0,y:0,range:[].to_set}]*SYNERGY_COLORS.length seems to give me a bunch of hashes all pointing the same place. what's the right way to do this to get an array of unique hashes?
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<SeepingN>
oh my. yeah Pry look sawesome. It took me so long to get wirb working right I haven't tried to switch to Pry yet
<darix>
SeepingN: binding.pry :p
<darix>
try that
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<Kestrel-029>
Hi, can someone advise me which command to use to reinstall ruby and rails on ubuntu 16? I'm having gem issues and feel that removing and installing it again is the best way to fix it.
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<Kestrel-029>
I'm using ruby 2.3.1p112 and rails 4.2.6
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<SeepingN>
that's awesome
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<cpruitt>
So, I’m interested in doing some simulations, just for fun and would like to draw/animate the simulation while it’s running. I’m looking for a good UI kit for ruby on OS X. Doesn’t need to be portable. I’d tried shoes which I had more trouble with than was worth it & processing which wasn’t too bad. Anyone know of anything else that’ll let me draw some primitave shapes in a window and animate them around?
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<cpruitt>
(by processing I mean ruby-processing)
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<darix>
cpruitt: Qt
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<cpruitt>
darix: Qt runs under XQuarts on OS X?
<darix>
cpruitt: i am more of a linux guy. but you asked for a portable gui toolkit
<darix>
and there arent that many
<darix>
GTK+
<cpruitt>
darix: Sorry, I’d said *doesn’t* need to be portable.
<darix>
ok
<cpruitt>
Either way may be an option.
<darix>
i am sure you can find out if it supports working without X
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<cpruitt>
I don’t mind if it’s an xquarts thing.
<cpruitt>
I’d just like something simple that kinda gets out of the way. I’m more interested in the simulation than in learning a gui toolkit at the moment.
<cpruitt>
Thanksfor the input. :-)
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