#ruby on 2017-01-07 — irc logs at freenode.irclog.whitequark.org

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00:14 <Sja91> Heya all, i'm having a bit of an issue. where ternary operators are being a bit unagreeable with my code....

00:14 <Sja91> heres an example of it not working: https://repl.it/FCgf

00:14 <Sja91> is it not justA == B ? true : false

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00:15 <eam> Sja91: ++ is not a ruby operator

00:15 <Sja91> ....

00:15 <Sja91> Fail

00:15 <Sja91> Thanks

00:15 <Sja91> ( fail on me, not ruby )

00:15 <eam> no prob!

00:15 <eam> (I do that all the time)

00:16 <Sja91> the error said unexpected ":" so i never looked at the ++ XD

00:16 <Sja91> seemed like plain english to me

00:16 <Sja91> wonder why theres no ++ though.... with allll the things that ruby decided to add to make programmer's lives faster and easier.... no ++ ??

00:18 <eam> the postfix/prefix increment operators are actually quite a problem in languages which implement them

00:18 <Sja91> oh?

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00:18 <eam> there's ambiguity in how they're sequenced

00:18 <Sja91> is that due to confusion, or run/compile time?

00:19 <Sja91> I've never felt confused by them, and C++ seems to do it just fine, never unexpected behaviour

00:19 <eam> Sja91: see for example http://c-faq.com/expr/index.html

00:19 <Sja91> Oh well, +=1 is just as good XD

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00:20 <eam> C++ has rather serious trouble with them, it's an easy way to create undefined behavior

00:20 <eam> Sja91: are you familiar with C++ sequence points?

00:21 <Sja91> Hmm, I can see how it'd be confusing if you didn't know your way around it intimately

00:21 <eam> well it's not just confusing, the compiler itself can't specify a behavior

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00:26 <zenspider> Sja91: ++ doesn't really make sense in ruby. 'a' isn't a value, it's just a name.

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00:26 <Sja91> huh?

00:27 <eam> surely ++ makes as much sense as -@?

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00:28 <Sja91> No idea what that means

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00:34 <SeepingN> x++ is x += 1

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00:35 <SeepingN> I'd rather have += and be able to jump by 2 or whatever else

00:35 <Sja91> mhm

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00:37 <Yonk_> Hello all

00:37 <zenspider> eam: what's the internal naming of methods have to do with anything?

00:39 <zenspider> SeepingN: what's ++x?

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00:42 <SeepingN> nothing

00:42 <SeepingN> in C it would be the same as x++ except that the 1 is added after the line is evaluated

00:42 <SeepingN> er, before.

00:42 <SeepingN> something with when it's updated

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00:43 <toretore> i find it amusing that c++ has problems with the ++ operator

00:44 <zenspider> SeepingN: I meant in C, yes... and yes, it is incremented before it is passed as an argument to whatever

00:45 <zenspider> whereas x++ is decremented after. not sure how that should work in a language like ruby

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00:45 <eam> zenspider: oh I meant that both were prefix operators

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00:46 <eam> I agree the concept of ++ as a postfix operator doesn't make much sense in ruby

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00:48 <toretore> but neither does ++x, because it differs from -x in that it is assumed to change x

00:49 <eam> - can change x

00:49 <eam> methods often have side effects in their receivers

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00:50 <toretore> but not in immutable ones :P

00:50 <toretore> on*

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00:50 <eam> >> class Fixnum; def -@; self + 1; end; end; x = 5; -x

00:51 <eam> oh am I not identified?

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00:51 <eam> >> class Fixnum; def -@; self + 1; end; end; x = 5; -x

00:51 <ruby[bot]> eam: # => 6 (https://eval.in/711007)

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00:51 <eam> for example

00:51 <toretore> that doesn't mutate the receiver

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00:52 <eam> oh, yeah

00:52 <eam> make a new fixnum :P

00:53 <zenspider> fixnums are a special optimization tho...

00:53 <zenspider> the point still stands

00:53 <zenspider> except as written above... that wouldn't be mutative anyways :P

00:53 <eam> yeah

00:54 <toretore> a special optimization in that they're not mutable?

00:54 <zenspider> their value is embedded in the pointer, not a reference to a separate object just to point to `4`

00:54 <zenspider> so they're immutable and not deduped or anything

00:55 <eam> they don't need to be though, so long as we're willing to give up the optimization

00:55 <toretore> but that doesn't have anything to do with mutability, conceptually

00:55 <eam> I could just use a Bignum for the example

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00:57 <zenspider> eam: that would seriously suck

00:57 <zenspider> but yes, it is an implementation detail

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00:59 <zenspider> toretore: well... it does... in that every reference to that fixnum is copied

01:00 <toretore> yes, technically, hence the "conceptually" qualifier :)

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01:25 <mustmodify> Is this over-complicated? https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/d7c46d066633997a57ce436ce3ba395d

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01:50 <baweaver> mustmodify: spaces inside parens aren't very common

01:50 <baweaver> and parens with if aren't used

01:50 <baweaver> also save your gist as .rb for syntax highlighting

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01:51 <baweaver> line 20: add hash if ['application', Rails.env].include?(env.to_s)

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01:52 <baweaver> 49: if you use guard type statements you can simplify a lot of it.

01:54 <baweaver> https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/d7c46d066633997a57ce436ce3ba395d#gistcomment-1964992

01:54 <baweaver> Also sane defaults work wonders

01:54 <baweaver> like line 36

01:55 <baweaver> if you modify line 28: File.exists?(filepath) ? YAML.load(ERB.new(IO.read(filepath)).result) : []

01:55 <baweaver> each can work on an empty array and won't execute anything

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01:56 <baweaver> so line 34 would become: self.class.read(filepath).each { |env, data| self.add_by_environment(env, data) }

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02:12 <mustmodify> baweaver: Oh geez I got distracted. Let me read all your comments!

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02:16 <mustmodify> I'm not sure line 20 should be modified.

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02:17 <mustmodify> because the config.yml file has environments as root keys, hanled in #load

02:17 <mustmodify> https://gist.github.com/mustmodify/d7c46d066633997a57ce436ce3ba395d#file-gistfile1-rb-L36-L38

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02:17 <mustmodify> baweaver: I like what you did with method missing.

02:18 <mustmodify> especially putting the return value on the same line as `else`

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02:22 <woodruffw> mustmodify: i wrote a config class similar to yours for a project of mine, it might be worth referencing: https://github.com/muzak-project/muzak/blob/master/lib/muzak/config.rb

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02:23 <mustmodify> Kebab Case... like ... shihkabob... someThingLikeThis ?

02:23 <woodruffw> mustmodify: something-like-this

02:23 <mustmodify> oh. The skewer.

02:23 <mustmodify> lol

02:23 <mustmodify> ok then

02:23 <woodruffw> yep ;)

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06:24 <IANIMATEDYOU> I'm in a pretty sad financial space this post-holiday season. I cook pizzas for a living, but have been animating (see gif above) most of my adult life. I recently made a fiverr account in a lousy effort to make some extra money in these cold January months. I can create a rotoscoped animated image (like the one posted) of any picture you give me f

06:24 <IANIMATEDYOU> or a small price. I figured advertising here, while extremely annoying, was worth a shot. Anyway here's a link to the fiverr gig https://www.fiverr.com/nicodaunt/animate-any-picture-you-send-me. Let me know if I can help you, help me.

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09:37 <instigator> Hello. I have been experiencing a problem with following line of code: c = resp.header['Set-Cookie'].split("="). Its suppose to split the cookie text value on the "=" delimiter. However I get the following error: undefined method 'split' for nil:NilClass (NoMethodError). Testing to see what type Set-Cookie value is I used: resp.header['Set-Cookie'].instance_of? String which returns false

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09:37 <instigator> been searching but havent found out what type resp.header['Set-Cookie'] returns

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09:49 <SpComb> instigator: does the HTTP response actually have a Set-Cookie header? indexing on header will probably give you nil if there is no such header

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10:04 <squ> what this does? http://vpaste.net/4KJBG

10:04 <squ> its launcher script for program named 'istats'

10:06 <blackbom1> squ: it's a rubygems wrapper script.

10:06 <blackbom1> it loads bin/istats from the gem, and before that it has some logic that you can use to load a specific version of the gem.

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10:06 <squ> yep, that is what I see

10:07 <squ> for unknown to me reasons:

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10:07 <squ> istats --version

10:07 <squ> iStats v1.4.0

10:07 <squ> istats --version

10:07 <squ> iStats v1.2.0

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10:08 <blackbom1> the syntax is like so: istats _v1.2.0_ --version OR istats _v.1.4.0_ --version

10:08 <blackbom1> sorry

10:08 <blackbom1> without the 'v' prefix

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10:09 <squ> how to fix that?

10:09 <squ> I want newest version only, don't want old binary

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10:09 <squ> why it chooses the old version?

10:11 <squ> why it doesn't clean up old binaries?

10:11 <dionysus69> hey apeiros!

10:12 <dionysus69> I am addressing you because you are more or less familiar with my case

10:13 <dionysus69> so I am about to get started on executing the specific random algorithm was talking about before, distributing n items over m categories each filled with x users

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10:15 <dionysus69> so we talked about permutation, I have question regarding that, where do I save results of the permutation? so lets say the set of n items gets created, at the create action I would then execute all the stuff that would create distributed "packages", where do I save those packages? create separate model for it? whats the conventional way of storing such permutations?

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10:16 <element119> dionysus69: wouldn't each item have a category_id?

10:16 <dionysus69> btw anyone is welcome to give some hints. the whole story is: I have lets say 100 questions. there are lets say 10 packages, and each package should have 20 questions. so there naturally will be repetitions because pool is not enough

10:16 <element119> or is it more complicated

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10:17 <dionysus69> well the whole picture is pretty complicated but yes each item has a category id in the db

10:17 <dionysus69> I am doing all this in rails

10:17 <element119> oh well if you have any given question potentially being in several packages

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10:18 <element119> then you'll need a table to associate packages with questions

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10:18 <element119> e.g. PackageQuestion (id, question_id, package_id)

10:19 <dionysus69> so the package is a quiz consisting of questions. as we know users take quiz not at the same time so I have to do permutation of combinations ahead of time and then give users their share of questions (the quiz has to be as random as possible accross the packages, but it has to use up all the possible questions in the pool)

10:19 <dionysus69> ok ill post a lil gist of relationships one sek

10:19 <element119> right, I was just indicating a potential schema

10:19 <dionysus69> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/4f479baa92a0a0be472a01c452052227

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10:20 <dionysus69> variable number of questions have to be selected from each question category too. its not like same number of questions from each question

10:20 <dionysus69> so the picture is quite complicated, at least for me xD

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10:21 <dionysus69> and well ye, all that has to be done randomly.

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10:22 <dionysus69> ok so there is a group of users. and quiz belongs to group. so quiz knows how many users will be taking quiz. so the permutation can be done for that many users for each quiz.

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10:24 <dionysus69> and then I would distribute "ready made quizzes" from a "quiz_permutation" table. after editing the existing quiz the permutation would rerun and existing ones deleted.

10:24 <dionysus69> how does all that sound?

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12:58 <zenspider> squ: rubygems DOES pick the latest version by default

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13:01 <squ> zenspider: how its picking v.1.2

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15:08 <ytti> whatis your preference for REST API documentation

15:08 <ytti> swagger.io?

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15:28 <ruby-lang577> if size > 10 || size.to_s =~ /[a-z]/ size = 3 end

15:28 <ruby-lang577> can anyone tell me why dinn't size match a-z

15:29 <ruby-lang577> if i enter size as "a"

15:29 <ruby-lang577> ?

15:29 <matthewd> >> size = "a"; size > 10

15:29 <ruby[bot]> matthewd: # => comparison of String with 10 failed (ArgumentError) ...check link for more (https://eval.in/711477)

15:30 <ruby-lang577> i wan from a-z

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15:30 <matthewd> If size was "a", the first comparison would raise the above exception

15:31 <ruby-lang577> i put ||

15:31 <ruby-lang577> means or

15:31 <ruby-lang577> why didn't the regex match from a-z

15:31 <ruby-lang577> even though i convert it to string

15:31 <matthewd> What was it before you converted it?

15:32 <ruby-lang577> it was integer

15:32 <ruby-lang577> size = gets.chomp.to_i

15:32 <matthewd> And which integer, when you call to_s, contains a letter?

15:33 <ruby-lang577> i wan to check wether the user enter any letter from a-z

15:34 <ruby-lang577> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/f8236e53d66780d53483ff21d53cba09

15:34 <matthewd> Well, you're checking whether the the result of converting what the user entered to an integer, and then to a string, contains any letter from a-z

15:35 <matthewd> If you want to check the string the user originally entered, you need to check that, without the to_i

15:35 <ruby-lang577> if he enter above 10 and the size contains a-z

15:35 <ruby-lang577> size will be set to 3

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15:36 <ruby-lang577> but what is the difference when i can convert it to string to check?

15:36 <matthewd> >> "not a number".to_i.to_s

15:36 <ruby[bot]> matthewd: # => "0" (https://eval.in/711480)

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15:37 <ruby-lang577> @matthewd ok it's working :)

15:38 <ruby-lang577> it's like other way round

15:38 <ruby-lang577> lol

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15:54 <centrx> How does the "gem" command determine which version of rubygems to run?

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15:54 <centrx> When I run "gem" as a user, it runs a different version of rubygems than when I run it as root

15:54 <centrx> Unable to update gem update --system as user

15:55 <ruby-lang577> check the -v maybe?

15:55 <ruby-lang577> and install the correct version?

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15:55 <Guest19> What OS are you using and are you using a version manager?

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15:56 <matthewd> centrx: Your OS/shell decides where to find `gem` based on your path

15:56 <centrx> matthewd: `which gem` points to /usr/bin/gem for both root and the local user

15:57 <matthewd> `gem env` might be informative

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15:58 <centrx> matthewd: interesting, thanks

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17:39 <dionysus69> hey people

17:39 <dionysus69> I still have that algorithm problem, can you guys help me out a bit ? :)

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17:46 <matthewd> dionysus69: I don't see the need to pre-roll the permutations

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17:47 <dionysus69> matthewd: the problem is that, I dont know how to avoid the following. I am giving out pack to user once they open up a link and its displayed in a form. if they refresh the page, new one will roll out with other random pack

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17:47 <matthewd> dionysus69: If you're doing enough of them, you should be able to just use pure randomness and you'll end up with near enough to a perfect distribution with no specific effort

17:47 <dionysus69> the thing is that, "pack is quiz", so they will then know all possible questions

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17:48 <dionysus69> if i am doing enough of what?

17:48 <matthewd> Sure, you need to store the set of questions you've asked when you ask them, not generated fresh on each page load. But you don't need to pre-generate a set of quizes before users arrive.

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17:49 <matthewd> Enough quizes. If you have 5 users, then you'll need to manually ensure each question gets asked ~ the same number of times. If you have 5000, it'll happen naturally.

17:50 <dionysus69> hmm then I ll have to store what where? at each session?

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17:50 <dionysus69> I also know how many students are in a group, quiz(pack) belongs to the group

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17:52 <dionysus69> also i m dealing with variable load of cases, some quiz may get 5 users some may get 100

17:52 <dionysus69> how specifically would you do this "Sure, you need to store the set of questions you've asked when you ask them"

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17:53 <apeiros> dionysus69: wasn't around (and will be afk again)

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17:53 <dionysus69> its ok haha

17:53 <dionysus69> you just know my case so i think I could use some help :D

17:53 <dionysus69> I am at that stage already in development, to get to this thing

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17:55 <matthewd> dionysus69: How are you storing the answers?

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17:55 <dionysus69> well thats not relevant in this case I guess? but well, in db? :D

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17:56 <matthewd> Oh, well in that case, you would do "Sure, you need to store the set of questions you've asked when you ask them" by: "well, in db".

17:57 <dionysus69> haha

18:00 <dionysus69> well seriously I know it has to be saved in db but whats the drill, how would I keep track of which questions have been asked how many times? I assume i ll need that because as I said pure randomness wouldn't be effective in most cases

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18:02 <matthewd> I was going to give a serious answer, but that was going to build on a serious answer to my question.

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18:02 <dionysus69> pure random picks from 100 types, to get 200 items will maybe result in picking each item more than twice and picking some items none of the times, ideally all items would be picked twice, while keeping randomness between packs

18:02 <matthewd> I didn't ask it for fun. But of well, doesn't matter.

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18:02 <matthewd> s/of well/oh well/

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18:03 <dionysus69> are you asking what I am storing in db along with answers?

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18:04 <mustmodify> dionysus69: What's the question?

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18:04 <matthewd> Yes, I was asking about the model you're using to store the answers, so we could see how you might use that to store the asked questions as well.

18:05 <dionysus69> hmm interesting

18:05 <dionysus69> mustmodify: can you scroll up? if not then ill paste the story once again

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18:06 <DaAwesomeP> I'm trying to compile Ruby 2.3.3 with OpenSSL 1.1.0c. Does it not support it?

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18:08 <dionysus69> https://gist.github.com/anonymous/8bcf97d9429e0a0f033d8e9298c859ee

18:08 <dionysus69> heres the full relationship inspection

18:09 <dionysus69> matthewd:

18:10 <matthewd> dionysus69: So when the user arrives, I'd generate a set of questions to ask them, and immediately populate the Response records for them

18:11 <dionysus69> your approach would need a new table that holds a student_id, quiz_id and all question ids ?

18:11 <dionysus69> that sounds too complicated for me

18:12 <matthewd> Huh?

18:12 <dionysus69> response table has question_id, attempt_id

18:13 <dionysus69> you are saying I would just fill in question_id?

18:13 <dionysus69> at the form startup

18:13 <dionysus69> and at submission fill in the attempt_ids ?

18:13 <matthewd> Yes

18:13 <matthewd> No

18:13 <dionysus69> mm

18:13 <dionysus69> hmm

18:14 <matthewd> You create the attempt and the responses at arrival, then fill in the answers when they.. give you the answers.

18:14 <dionysus69> tbh I mirrored my approach from an existing project called survey, it is creating response.new in the view

18:14 <dionysus69> sounds like a horrible approach but I couldnt think of better

18:15 <dionysus69> aha that makes sense actually

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18:15 <dionysus69> since they will be stuck with same questions

18:16 <dionysus69> { |q| Response.new( question_id: q.id ) } do |response|

18:16 <dionysus69> this is the way its done

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18:17 <dionysus69> so now instead of new I would create?

18:17 <matthewd> Yes (in the controller)

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18:22 <dionysus69> ok thanks allot matthewd :)

18:23 <dionysus69> I ll continue tinkering with it :)

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18:30 <eelster> #ruby-lang

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18:31 <eelster> Sorry about that errant message.

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18:37 <centrx> eelster: The channels were merged a whiel ago

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18:37 <eelster> centrx: I know. I loaded up Irssi on a computer I haven't used in a few years and apparently my startup file was crappy.

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19:43 <eelster[PHI]> >> puts 'is ruby[bot] back yet?'

19:43 <ruby[bot]> eelster[PHI]: # => is ruby[bot] back yet? ...check link for more (https://eval.in/711559)

19:43 <fishcooker> what will it do on the cronjob file when this whenever deployed https://gist.github.com/chikatambun/97c81a4eb753ec0aae7fb395052658a0

19:43 <eelster[PHI]> YES !

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19:45 <fishcooker> is ruby take the host's local time or its time?

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19:46 <eelster[PHI]> fishcooker: Depends upon how you do it

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19:46 <eelster[PHI]> Both are possible

19:47 <eelster[PHI]> >> puts Time.now.getlocal

19:48 <ruby[bot]> eelster[PHI]: # => 2017-01-07 19:48:01 +0000 ...check link for more (https://eval.in/711560)

19:48 <eelster[PHI]> >> puts Time.now.getutc

19:48 <ruby[bot]> eelster[PHI]: # => 2017-01-07 19:48:07 UTC ...check link for more (https://eval.in/711561)

19:48 <eelster[PHI]> (Well ruby[bot] is at UTC, but that's how you can get either)

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19:53 <ytti> pretty sure he's talking about some client/server thing, possibly rails

19:53 <ytti> and asking if it's showing client time or server time

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19:53 <ytti> and you're answering it can show server time in UTC or local TZ

19:53 <ytti> if i understood correctly, answer, outside of using ironruby, is that time will be server time

19:54 <eelster[PHI]> Oh, I thought he meant UTC vs. Local

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19:55 <eelster[PHI]> I believe if you use `l` you can do local time, but I'd just implement that in JS

19:56 <eelster[PHI]> Unless you need to do validation, where you'd obviously want to do server side validation, but I generally do server side time validation with respect to the hosting time zone.

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20:18 <eelster[PHI]> >> RUBY_VERSION

20:19 <ruby[bot]> eelster[PHI]: # => "2.3.0" (https://eval.in/711562)

20:19 <eelster[PHI]> ruby[bot]: I thought you were offline because you were upgrading to 2.4.0 :(

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20:19 <Mon_Ouie> Being off

20:20 <eelster[PHI]> Mon_Ouie: ?

20:20 <Mon_Ouie> Being offline does not affect the ruby version, since it's the website that does the evaluation

20:20 <Mon_Ouie> You can see all the supported versions on eval.in

20:21 <eelster[PHI]> Ohh. I thought that someone took ruby[bot] offline because eval.in was upgrading versions.

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20:23 <apeiros> eelster[PHI]: that would not have taken so long

20:24 <eelster[PHI]> apeiros: That's true.

20:24 <apeiros> I'm not sure what had happened, but I guess ruboto was still stuck on "the other side" of a netsplit

20:25 <eelster[PHI]> That makes sense

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20:27 <eelster[PHI]> Not to sound like a moron, but what is a netsplit

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20:27 <lupine> irc clients connect to irc servers. irc networks are composed of many irc servers connected to each other

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20:28 <lupine> a netsplit is when an irc network undergoes partition, such that some servers (and so clients) can't talk to each other

20:28 <eelster[PHI]> Oh, that makes a lot of sense!

20:28 <eelster[PHI]> lupine: Thanks!

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21:35 <ta> I was wondering, is there an easy way to make all inherited methods private?

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21:43 <ta> and does it even make sense

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21:55 <apeiros> ta: not sure it makes sense. `private *(instance_methods - instance_methods(false))`

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22:01 <ta> apeiros: thx, the use-case sort of hiding inherited methods when `class SomeModel < SomeORM` - and write "views" instead on SomeModel

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22:03 <ta> the thought sprung from poking around in various implementations of the repository pattern

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22:54 <blackbom1> makes no sense to me.

22:54 <blackbom1> what would it achieve?

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