<paulproteus>
XgF or kentonv: does the above mean anything to you? Also feel free to be busy.
<paulproteus>
(I'm doing a custom build of GitWeb Pages for myself.)
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<paulproteus>
I have the feeling that I would be much happier if this relied on something I could apt-get.
<paulproteus>
My story is that I want to migrate asheesh.org to a custom GitWeb pages because I literally forgot how my blog is built and I think I'd be happier having it all wrapped up a Sandstorm happy land.
<paulproteus>
I... guess I can unpack an existing SPK and steal the binary from it.
<paulproteus>
I will do that for now.
<paulproteus>
OK. I did that, but I can't say I'm happy about it.
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<mnutt_>
@paulproteus hey! after a few weeks’ vacation I’m back to working on the dropbox clone and having some issues getting the node app started under vagrant-spk. Everything looks like it’s starting normally, but I don’t see any output from my app starting. here’s the setup: https://gist.github.com/mnutt/64b641ca0f62e73f864e any idea what I’m missing?
<paulproteus>
Fascinating mnutt.
<paulproteus>
Do you see LAUNCHER STARTING in the grain log?
<paulproteus>
If so, that's a great start.
<paulproteus>
Also if you don't know how to fidn the grain log that could be your problem, one sec.
<paulproteus>
There's a few parts of calling it a "marketplace" that we don't have ready yet, but have been working on.
<paulproteus>
One of them is having a new interface for showing apps, with a more self-service way for developers to add their own apps.
<paulproteus>
That's "nearly ready" (but the thing about "nearly" is that I can't quite promise when it'll actually be fully ready).
<paulproteus>
That's the main part we're talking about on the sandstorm-dev email list, when we write about how we're getting there.
<paulproteus>
But the part many people are excited about is the payments aspect, and that's a bit further off. I can offer vague hopes about when it'll be done; let's say hopefully this year.
<paulproteus>
M-hrjet: Tell me more about which part of it you're interested in!
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<M-hrjet>
I guess I was interested in both aspects, so thanks much for your response.
<M-hrjet>
Hmm, started wondering about how the payments model would work. Are you planning to support self-hosting in that model, or only for sandstorm hosted instances?
<paulproteus>
TL;DR, it will work for self-hosted too.
<paulproteus>
I think the idea is to have some kind of signed assertion that payment happened, such as the central service could provide a crypto key that unlocks functionality in a package, or the central service could provide an extra SPK (package file) that adds extra functionality, and you only get that file once you have paid.
<paulproteus>
I am about to go fall asleep, but I'm happy to answer more questions; feel free to email me at community@sandstorm.io or drop a line to sandstorm-dev@googlegroups.com!
<paulproteus>
I'll also read scrollback here, and can reply here, but it'll be until I wake up!
<paulproteus>
Ciao for now!
<M-hrjet>
Hey thanks; that answers all my questions. Will continue hanging around these parts.
<M-hrjet>
(sorry for late responses; my internet is flaky at the moment)
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<paulproteus>
M-hrjet: (-: no problem for late responses, and glad you're hanging around here.
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<paulproteus>
I write so many bugs! And then I catch them in tests.
<pwais>
dear network gurus, I'm having some dns issues. I've got sandstorm on vagrant running on a box on my network and I'm using a 3rd party (not sandstorm) to assign a dynamic dns name to the box. I can run sandstorm ok, and install apps (e.g. etherpad), but the apps don't *start*. they just sit there spinning
<pwais>
e.g. etherpad will just show the spinning gif even though the debug log shows the grain appears to be working
<paulproteus>
Hi pwais
<pwais>
could potentially be a firewall issue too...
<paulproteus>
However, doesn't do wildcard DNS. Also doesn't have a slick automatic 60-second-max-latency DNS update protocol, like Sandcats.
<pwais>
lol nice! ive been using Dyn. they're kinda annoying but its all I could find on Google at the time
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<paulproteus>
(also hi niek I have no idea who you are, I just picked your nick at random as a person who gets free dynamic DNS from us, pardon the useless notification to you)
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<paulproteus>
(I have no point, I just want to say) function calls are the original microservice
<paulproteus>
Yeah, dwrensha, I recently saw a blog post on "creating great APIs" and was, like, "I'm interested in SONAMEs! I'll click this" and then got something about HTTP REST.
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<paulproteus>
Yayyyyy ocdtrekkie is OK with the redesign : D
<paulproteus>
I mean anyway hi everyone happy Monday to you.
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<paulproteus>
neynah: BTW you might like the people in #opensourcedesign
<paulproteus>
But that's not a huge sample size (-:
<paulproteus>
I think it went well. I have a blog post half-written that I intend to finish tomorrow.
<Nairwolf>
oh that's nice ;) I hope to read it soon ;)
<paulproteus>
Sorry Nairwolf that we weren't able to record it.
<Nairwolf>
Yeah, that I thought, but that's okay ;)
<Nairwolf>
If I can read something about the meeting that's great ;)
<ocdtrekkie>
paulproteus: I was really apprehensive about the redesign. I usually am about such things.
<paulproteus>
ocdtrekkie: apprehensive in the sense that you heard we were doing it and were fearful it'd be worse in ways you care about, before seeing the email?
<paulproteus>
It makes sense to be apprehensive about "redesign
<paulproteus>
"s IMHO.
<ocdtrekkie>
paulproteus: Yes. Redesigns make me nervous.
* paulproteus
nods.
<ocdtrekkie>
So is the left sidebar a thing that closes up and stuff during grain use, or is it meant to always be there?
<paulproteus>
neynah: ^ you want to answer? : D
<ocdtrekkie>
I saw a down arrow belong the Sandstorm logo, but it always seemed extended in the mockups.
<zarvox>
ocdtrekkie: it is meant to be toggleable, and allow for fast switching between grains.
<zarvox>
By default it will be open, but you can close it to make sure your grain gets the full window width
<zarvox>
The Open and New pages will have instant incremental filter search, and if you've filtered to a single item, then hitting Enter will activate that item (because I love keyboard users).
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<ocdtrekkie>
Loving keyboard users is nice, zarvox.
<ocdtrekkie>
Last time someone told me they needed to go get a mouse for a computer I needed to fix something on, I told them not to bother. :D
<ocdtrekkie>
And I responded to Kenton in-list, but I like toggleable things. :D
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<neynah>
ocdtrekkie: sorry for the late response. I'm grateful that my colleagues seem to have answered the sidebar question for me.
<zarvox>
not sure how much the points apply to Sandstorm, but interesting thoughts
<zarvox>
It's a real shame to burn a bunch more space on mobile for a tab bar for things that most users won't need most of the time
<neynah>
Yeah that's true. Typically I will only go to the hamburger menu(sometimes I don't even notice it initially) if I couldn't find what I was looking for on the rest of the UI.
<XgF>
It occurs to me that there are certain options which I "inituitively" expect to find under a hamburger?
<neynah>
In the banner of that article, I noticed it says "14 min read." I'm guessing there something out there that estimates how long it takes the average person to read a number of words?
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<zarvox>
Okay. So. I'm trying to style a button so that its contents are aligned to the top of the button. This works great for an <a>, but I cannot seem to convince the <button> to do likewise: http://codepen.io/anon/pen/ZGPjqr
<zarvox>
(aside: it would be really sweet if we had an app like codepen on Sandstorm!)