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<rm>
got my U-Host :3
<rm>
what photos don't tell you, it's not cheap plastic as it looks like,
<hipboi>
rm: hehe
<rm>
but some kind of soft-rubber coating
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<rm>
making it feel like something of really high class
<rm>
I believe this is called "soft-touch"
<hipboi>
because of the "ugly look", very few people buy it
<rm>
it looks and feels 1000% better in real life than on the photos
<RITRedbeard>
I imagine the photos feel like celluloid.
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<mnemoc>
rm: nice :)
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<xxiao1>
intel's new atom, clover trail, will not work with linux, as it needs to be win8 only
<xxiao1>
this is probably the first time i heard a IC vendor states loudly that its chip will not work with certain OS
<mnemoc>
:o
<jelly-home>
xxiao1: there have already been atom mainboards which had disabled long mode because 64bit windows did not work on them
<jelly-home>
your atom cpu has 64bit? You want to run 64bit linux on this HTPC board? Tough
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<traeak>
the whole think is that powervr sucks, imageon sucks and they need to be removed from the market
<traeak>
next version of atom will dump powervr in favor of intel's own video core
<traeak>
so i guess they dont' want to sink resources into that atom or something
<traeak>
interesting question, but i'm sure MS is a bad guy here as well
<traeak>
it's probably best to avoid atom altoghether at this point
<traeak>
it brings nothing new that was around in 2008
<traeak>
with atom i mean
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<xxiao1>
atom's architect was laid off due to its failure, somehow intel still keeps releasing new atoms
<xxiao1>
anyways i don't use atom for anything other than my netbook
<traeak>
what is "failure" to them?
<traeak>
i mean they grabbed mindshare in a market that wasn't there
<traeak>
and essentially destroyed it
<traeak>
befoe someone else could develop it
<traeak>
defensive strategy
<xxiao1>
certain atom was shot for smartphone...
<xxiao1>
which never happened.
<traeak>
intel didn't realize the demand for netbooks
<traeak>
which IMHO is still there, they just need to actually upgrade those damn cpus
* xxiao1
thinks netbook is better than tablets in many places
<traeak>
ie: my original acer aspire ones areperformance wise on par with the netbooks sold today
<traeak>
although i have to admit an 11.6 or 12.1" screen is probably most practical
<traeak>
i do have this nokia 3g netbook with 12??x720 screen
<traeak>
that's actually a nice machine
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<traeak>
after the last plane trip i'm afraid an 11.6 might be too big for that
<traeak>
9 hour battery is very nice though
<xxiao1>
which is the No.1 reason i bought netbook, to use on airplane when there was no power outlet back then
<traeak>
i recently saw an atom/ion hp 11.6 for 170usd
<xxiao1>
nowadays some airplane provides outlets
<traeak>
international flights
<traeak>
domestic well...
<jinzo_>
btw: they're actually mass producing/shipping some Intel based smartphones
<traeak>
medfield
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<jinzo_>
I'we been hearing they're quite good for the price.
<jinzo_>
but I would guess Intel doesen't make any money on it at the moment
<traeak>
yeah probaly subsidized
<traeak>
and tons of competition
<traeak>
how many arm soc manufacturers are there?
<traeak>
intel vs all of them
<jinzo_>
but not that many of them (in the smartphone market let's say) drive innovation/have big research teams
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<traeak>
that would be arm themselves
<jinzo_>
still, nvidia, quallcom, TI, samsung,... are doing their own R&D to some degree
<jinzo_>
to differentiate themselfs from other ARM manufacturers
<traeak>
intel has one millstone around their neck
<traeak>
their profitabilty historically has been amazing
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<traeak>
i think for the soc market it's not nearly so...
<jinzo_>
and they can do some preatty good R&D and products if they have to.
<jinzo_>
on the other hand you have IBM & hynix with memristor sheningans... bah.
<traeak>
ahh turning market on its head
<traeak>
good things
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<jinzo_>
yeah, but postponing that for 1 years so the current buisness doesen't get a big blow sucks.
<traeak>
we need more competition in the market
<traeak>
"if you aren't willing to cannibalize your own market someone else will do it for you"
<traeak>
that's a good environment to be in typically
<traeak>
for consumers especially
<traeak>
patent bullshit
<jelly-home>
hah, hynix is playing multiple fields apparently
<jelly-home>
"SK hynix is pursuing Phase-Change Memory (PCM) with IBM, MRAM (magnetic RAM) with Toshiba, and memristors (resistive RAM or ReRAM) with HP"
<jinzo_>
yeah, and they delayed the technology because they wanted to phase out their memory products without too much risk/loss.
<traeak>
of course
<traeak>
well they can afford to sit on their patents since they are absurdly long for modern tech markets
<traeak>
product cycles now are months
<traeak>
in the 1800's i think product cycles were years if not decades
<traeak>
probably years
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<techn>
mnemoc: should adb work with default a13 kernel cfg?
<mnemoc>
never tried it
<mnemoc>
iirc in 3.0-v2/sun4i_crane_defconfig works
<mnemoc>
in 3.4 we don't have usb gadget at all yet
<xxiao1>
. .bashrc failed to work on ubuntu 12.04? . ./.bashrc works fine
<xxiao1>
never saw this before
<mnemoc>
weird
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<techn>
mnemoc: CONFIG_ANDROID_RAM_CONSOLE_EARLY_INIT=y in sun5i cfg, sun4i has not set
<techn>
mnemoc: should usb work drivers work with a13? :)
<mnemoc>
usb host works just fine in my olinuxino...
<techn>
how about slave?
<mnemoc>
never tried it
<mnemoc>
neither on sun4i
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<techn>
found couple differences which could matter
<mnemoc>
want to unify the driver? :)
<techn>
no.. just cfg differences :)
<techn>
but ofcourse it could help if we could use same cfg
<techn>
hmm.. our usb gadget android is broken?
<techn>
no it's usb ether.c
<mnemoc>
it needs to be reimplemented, they hacked slave support directly into gadget/android.c