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<TD-Linux>
"An attestation of execution provides information for verifying that the certificate was created within the TEE (and that the validator waited the allotted time)."
<TD-Linux>
of all the things that SGX can do, I don't see how it can reasonably securely attest elapsed time
<nsh>
trusted execution environment?
<nsh>
that's pretty much the only thing you can attest to
<nsh>
well, this looks interesting but you'd be insane to bet any money on the security of hypercomplex microprocessor architectural bells and whistles that have been tested approximately not at all
<nsh>
i don't understand why they replace the random oracle with some transcript/attestation that the minimal timer was created in the trusted environment. this seems like a more contrived and less provable way to achieve effectively the same thing as a hash lottery
<nsh>
well, i suppose 'scaling' is the motivation
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<TD-Linux>
rather than burning power hashing, you now buy intel chips that are mostly idle.
<TD-Linux>
there are a lot of interesting questions to answer here, such as how the security differs from, say, a stored value system on SGX
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<nsh>
'the base journal implementation' is this for blockdata filestorage?
<nsh>
it'll be useful to see how they separate out the different functions anyway. all grist to the mill
<kanzure>
sgx complaint is being communicated to intel today by a messenger from our community
<kanzure>
or at least, a request to please fix sgx
<kanzure>
also: see previous sgx mentions in -wizards logs
<nsh>
oh wait, this is an intel research project?
<nsh>
heh...
<nsh>
(it would be nice if you could do a keyword search for the logs and it could bring up snippets in context)
<nsh>
(that's something for a rainy weekend)
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<JackH>
!seen bramc
<gribble>
bramc was last seen in #bitcoin-wizards 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <bramc> kanzure: I'm planning on doing that, but would like some more feedback first
<JackH>
wtf
<kanzure>
he has been reading logs from bitcoin core slack interface, probably
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