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<runeks> arubi: What tool do you use to verify Bitcoin tx signatures? I think I'm in need of some debug tools in this area.
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<arubi> runeks, that tool is a convoluted mess of bash and gnu bc scripts (which need a patched bc because of a bug in release :( ). setting up the sighash is still something I do manually, and I do the sig math in bc
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<arubi> fwiw I've been rewriting it it in a more modular way so it's actually useable by other people (already 1500 LOC done woo!), and I think it should be ready for a public repo soon
<nsh> 64kb of APL code should be enough for everything
<arubi> :)
<sipa> arubi: you implemented EC math in...bc?
<arubi> and endomorphism and a lot of cool stuff
<arubi> borromean ring sigs too, but I need to rewrite that
<sipa> i suddenly feel like a very normal person
<arubi> haha, you're welcome
<nsh> i would really like to see this tbh :)
<arubi> alright, I'll push it in a few
<nsh> this is maybe the closest anyone's been made enough to get to APL bitcoin code: https://analyzethedatanotthedrivel.org/2014/07/03/parsing-the-bitcoin-genesis-block-with-j/
<nsh> *mad enough
<nsh> far too verbose obviously
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<mryandao> wow, gnu bc.
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<arubi> nsh, https://github.com/fivepiece/btc-bash-ng/tree/checkpoint0/bc is what I refractored for now. you'll need "gnu-bc" also from my github for the bug fix, and the other stuff I still need to port (and bitcoin stuff) is in a repo called "btc-bash". you've been warned :)
<nsh> thanks!
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<waxwing> arubi: ah out of stealth mode i see?
<waxwing> bc-coin ICO incoming, i hope
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<nsh> lol
<arubi> waxwing, yea I guess it's at least readable now :), so much to port still. feel free to send money to bitcoin eater for the genuine ICO experience
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<runeks> arubi: thanks. I'll keep your tool in mind. I'm trying to write something similar, but in Haskell, to be used by a payment channel library.
<arubi> sweet runeks
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<bsm117532> arubi you are mad. But cool.
<arubi> appreciate it bsm117532 :)
<bsm117532> And here I've been trying to get myself out of the habit of typing 'bc -l' to do little calculations and type 'ipython3' instead...
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<arubi> I have the same plan, but for maybe migrating to Calc one day
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<bsm117532> Why calc over python/numpy/scipy/sympy?
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<bsm117532> I'm still trying to graduate from Maple to sympy for real calculations...I resort to maple a lot... :-/
<arubi> I don't know really, just wanted to try. I'm positive any of what you suggested is better and I'll have to actually move to a real programing language eventually. maybe bitcoin is worth millions and I can retire :)
<arubi> s/maybe/maybe when/
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<contrapumpkin> has there been any work on "dead man's switch"-type transactions on bitcoin?
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<nsh> contrapumpkin, if you mean using the blockchain to deterministically reveal some secret if there if some interaction pattern stops, then i don't think so
<nsh> s/if there if/if/
<nsh> i'm not sure it's possible without extra cryptographic primitives
<contrapumpkin> I was thinking more along the lines of send coins to a predetermined address unless I keep sending them somewhere else periodically
<contrapumpkin> so I could spend them explicitly to send them elsewhere, bt if I don't within a timeout, they go somewhere predefined
<nsh> oh, you can do that easily enough with multisig and some external agent
<nsh> optionally with timelock
<contrapumpkin> ah I was wondering if there was some obscure way to get it to work without the external agent
<contrapumpkin> can script get at some notion of the current block depth?
<waxwing> contrapumpkin: see checklocktimeverify and checksequenceverify
<waxwing> often known as CLTV and CSV
<contrapumpkin> i.e., "you can spend me with key K if block depth > X, but spend me with key A always"
<contrapumpkin> that way the coins effectively "belong" to K after a period, but I'd periodically invalidate with A until I die
<contrapumpkin> then they sort of automatically belong to K
<waxwing> yes an example of that type can be found in the CLTV bip, bip65
<contrapumpkin> cool
<contrapumpkin> thanks
<contrapumpkin> looks cool
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<contrapumpkin> so that seems like it would literally enable my use case
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