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<cuttle> guys
<cuttle> help me think of a halloween twitter name
<jesusabdullah> no
<prophile> cuttle: how about
<prophile> elliottcable
<cuttle> prophile: hahahaha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Omg
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Micah: you go as me for Halloween, on the internet
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'll go as you :D
<joelteon> dude WHY ARE PEOPLE SO BAD
<joelteon> at STUFF
<joelteon> so fedex tried to deliver, right
<joelteon> nobody was home so they left a tag on my door
<joelteon> so i read it
<joelteon> it says go to fedex.com/delivery to tell them to hold it at the fedex place so i can go pick it up
<joelteon> so i got there
<joelteon> and i have to
<joelteon> create an account
<joelteon> to request them to hold it at the fedex place
<joelteon> rather than them just giving me a deliver UUID or something
<joelteon> so i enter in all my personal information, name of every pet i've ever owned, age of every person i've met
<joelteon> and then
<joelteon> after all that
<joelteon> "We were unable to verify you with the information provided."
<joelteon> like wtf does that even mean, it's a goddamn street address
<joelteon> who are you "verifying" me with
<joelteon> it took me 8 tries to buy this stupid fucking sweater from h&m because they need the 4 digits after your zip code as well but they don't tell you that
<joelteon> i want to die
<ELLIOTTCABLE> This is why you use phones, honey.
<joelteon> no ugh
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Stay away from the Internet, except for with Internet-based companies. Excellent rule of thumb.
* prophile tears out jugulars
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: /nick ELLIOTTCABLE on Halloween ('=
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: hhahahaahahaha
<cuttle> let's do it
<cuttle> ok switch on twitter
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Yeah :D
<cuttle> SWITCHED
<cuttle> 6:55 PM <•ELLIOTTCABLE> Stay away from the Internet, except for with Internet-based companies. Excellent rule of thumb.
<cuttle> joelteon: dude yeah that's bullshit
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Nonono not right now
<ELLIOTTCABLE> *on Halloween*
<cuttle> awwww
<cuttle> well
<cuttle> ynow
<cuttle> people
<cuttle> change their names to hallowen names
<cuttle> like
<cuttle> in october
<cuttle> @bathsmusic
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Wat really?
<cuttle> changed from WILL WIESENDFELD TO
<cuttle> KILL WIESENFELD
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Ohhhhhh, their *names*
<cuttle> @zoequinnzel
<cuttle> changed from zoe "buttass" quinnzel to zoe "ghostass" quinnzel
<cuttle> @bluesweatshirt changed from lule blue to lulu boo
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> o7, all
<joelteon> that was a good year
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<alexgordon> hi ELLIOTTCABLE
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi, alexgordon
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: what you up to?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> errgha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actions-triage
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm at Inbox 40 in Things.app.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> which is the highest I've been in a *long* time, because I'm pretty goddamn anal about my Things.
<alexgordon> you're pretty goddamn anal about everything
<joelteon> he's pretty goddamn anal
<joelteon> not sure if i have a cavity or what
<joelteon> my teeth hurt
<joelteon> but i'm not fond of dentists
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh really? how's that?
<joelteon> it'd be cool if we could just replace our teeth with titanium or something
<joelteon> some of the bottom molars on the right side are aching a bit when i eat
<joelteon> i should probably ask my roommate where a dentist is
<alexgordon> joelteon: probably at a dental surgery?
<alexgordon> just guessing here
<joelteon> good joke
<purr\GH> [woof] ELLIOTTCABLE opened issue #3: Expand data that disappears ‘under the fold.’ https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/woof/issues/3
<purr\GH> [woof] ELLIOTTCABLE opened issue #4: Track API-consumer's own escape-codes https://github.com/ELLIOTTCABLE/woof/issues/4
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<cuttle> alexgordon: how do I learn about networking and p2p and stuff?
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<alexgordon> cuttle: trial and error
<alexgordon> cuttle: also zmq
<alexgordon> I'm so pissed I didn't find out about it sooner
<jesusabdullah> ELLIOTTCABLE: trolololo
<purr> trolololo
<jesusabdullah> hahaha
<jesusabdullah> yeeah purr gets it
<jesusabdullah> ELLIOTTCABLE: RTC tickets are still available??
<jesusabdullah> ELLIOTTCABLE: isn't RTC in like a week?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> jesusabdullah: yes. And I can get you 100$ off. COME WITH US.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and it's in three weeks.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> they're almost out of tickets; only a couple left, as I understand it.
<jesusabdullah> but that's a flight
<jesusabdullah> and I kinda do wanna go, just squirrely in terms of timing
* ELLIOTTCABLE laughs
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yep
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I'm totes-fucked
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 1. my move-in date, for my new place, is *the day we're flying back*. And I *have* to deliver some important paperwork (details on my criminal record, 'cause all of it's court-sealed, and they won't let me move in until they have unsealed hardcopy.),
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 2. my dogs are currently being cared for by a close family of mine, and they're flying off into the Wild Blue Yonder for some big trip, the same day Chelsea and I are flying *to* the conference. So I have to make new arrangements for my dogs for those four more days.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 3. I've got three *other* places to be in the United States, within the twelve days circumscribing the conference (Minnesota, North Carolina, and Chicago), for various reasons; and now I have to schedule the travel for those places *around* the Portland tickets I've already bought
<ELLIOTTCABLE> 4. I *just realized* what a ‘significant other’ track is. It's some patronizing girly bullshit that doesn't involve them even going into the conf's venue. So now, I have to talk them into giving me *actual* conf-tickets for Chelsea.
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<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: criminal record??
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: also wow you are a busy socialite
<cuttle> :p
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lololol
<purr> lololol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> how long have you known me, and yet it's a surprise to you that I have a record?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and I can't tell if that's sarcasm. I *am* busy. Disgustingly-so.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> Inbox mostly-zero! Yay.
<cuttle> not sarcasm really
<cuttle> just some percentage tongue in cheek word choice
<cuttle> is the record like
<cuttle> mass scale drug distribution
<cuttle> or like
<cuttle> trespassing
<cuttle> alexgordon: i want to know from like the bottom up
<cuttle> alexgordon: so i can incorporate it into my brain cells idea
<alexgordon> cuttle: wat
<alexgordon> know what?
<cuttle> networks
<cuttle> and p2p
<alexgordon> err
<alexgordon> well it starts with your network card
<alexgordon> :P
<cuttle> :p
<alexgordon> I dunno, it seems pretty trivial to me
<ELLIOTTCABLE> cuttle: I thought I knew quite a bit about sockets, the IP protocol, routing, etceteras
<ELLIOTTCABLE> all seems boring, but I'd had reason to learn quite a bit about it in the past,
<cuttle> hahahaha, from the zmq intro:
<cuttle> “Code has to run like the human brain, trillions of individual neurons firing off messages to each other, a massively parallel network with no central control, no single point of failure, yet able to solve immensely difficult problems.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and then there was a talk at SecondConf about “mapping the Internet”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> (look up the video, it was a great talk, very very cool stuff)
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and I learned about layers of “the Internet” that i'd never even CONSIDERED.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> like, BGP. What the *fuck* is that.
<cuttle> huh.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> It turns out that there's a lot more to “the Internet”, below even the most basic packet-level protocols.
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: oh cool
<alexgordon> yeah I read about this before, but had forgotten
<cuttle> dumb argument: “And it's no accident that the future of code looks like the human brain, because the endpoints of every network are, at some level, human brains.”
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lol yeah but still it's *cool*
<purr> lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> on a visceral level of ‘coolness’
<ELLIOTTCABLE> nothing to do with accuracy or meaningfulness
<ELLIOTTCABLE> just g'damn cool, like battleships and rocket launchers are cool.
<cuttle> well yeah but i mean
<cuttle> it could be cool without being obviously fallacious
<cuttle> on a basic level
<cuttle> like the previous sentence was
<cuttle> but yeah
<alexgordon> cuttle: you talking about zmq?
<cuttle> alexgordon: yeah
<alexgordon> they mean the whole network is a brain
<cuttle> fred brooks' "no silver bullet" is dumb
<cuttle> alexgordon: yes I know
<alexgordon> with zmq as the synapses
<cuttle> alexgordon: of course of course
<cuttle> but one particular sentence said "of course it's like a brain because human brains are at the endpoints"
<cuttle> which is dumb
<alexgordon> anyway the point is that zmq is just waaaaay better than stupid fucking sockets
<cuttle> sure i am not disputing that haha
<joelteon> zmq looks neat but i have no use for it
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<joelteon> not yet
<joelteon> i should make something distributed with zeromq
<ELLIOTTCABLE> alexgordon: reasoning?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I've never used a “messaging queue” system like that.
<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: it's not a messaging queue, it's a networking library
<alexgordon> it's got a stupid name
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<alexgordon> ELLIOTTCABLE: it's an alternative (or at least, a wrapper) for regular unix sockets, with some nice features
<ELLIOTTCABLE> A wrapper for UNIX sockets. Hm.
<alexgordon> you just tell it your topology
<alexgordon> then the rest is pretty simple. it has lots of knobs to adjust and it's very very fast
<alexgordon> also, the new one has an experimental crypto library (should be more secure than SSL in a few years)
<cuttle> for zmq's dream of a big ol brain to come true
<cuttle> we need to stop having
<cuttle> computers are this big ol monolithic blog
<cuttle> blob
<cuttle> and then the networking stuff is between them
<cuttle> just think about how fucking ridiculous it is that like dozens of processes take turns and maybe 4 of them at once can add two numbers together at a time
<ELLIOTTCABLE> trying to set up 1Password for the first time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> New release finally looks secure enough to satisfy my paranoia.
<alexgordon> wait they weren't using a MAC before?
<alexgordon> amateurs
<joelteon> I feel like I should do something with zmq
<alexgordon> joelteon: make a p2p network
<joelteon> that does what
<alexgordon> not sure, porn?
<joelteon> huh
<cuttle> how does p2p work
<alexgordon> cuttle: you have a network of computers, they talk to each other
<alexgordon> lol
<purr> lol
<cuttle> lol thanks got that part
<ELLIOTTCABLE> this channel. jesus.
<alexgordon> well what more do you want lol
<alexgordon> it depends on the network
<alexgordon> bitcoin's p2p network is very different to bittorrent's
<alexgordon> that's about the only thing they have in common
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<cuttle> yeah i get that
<cuttle> i kinda get how bitcoin works
<cuttle> i want to know like
<cuttle> how computers find all the other computesr
<cuttle> do they just refer each other?
<cuttle> and then with like bittorrents how do you find any in the first place?
<ELLIOTTCABLE> bbl u all suk
<cuttle> ELLIOTTCABLE: :c
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<alexgordon> cuttle: well that's an interesting problem
<alexgordon> cuttle: but yeah
<alexgordon> cuttle: you always need seed IPs
<alexgordon> that can refer to other IPs
<alexgordon> otherwise who would you call!
<alexgordon> (ghostbusters)
<prophile> busters
<prophile> of ghosts
<prophile> they like to
<prophile> find ghosts
<prophile> and bust them