ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: #ELLIOTTCABLE — “do something cool, shove it into throats, everyone thinks it's crap, then it's all amazing.” “everything else is just details.”
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<devyn>
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<alexgordon>
whitequark: well I was under impression that the communists are putin's main rivals... and well, we know what happens to putin's rivals
<whitequark>
alexgordon: lol no
<purr>
lol
<whitequark>
there's no official political party who putin would consider a 'rival' one
<whitequark>
guess why ;)
<purr>
<alexgordon> eboy just had an orgasm aftershock
<whitequark>
there *is* navalny, and putin seems to be quite afraid of him...
<alexgordon>
he's for it then
* alexgordon
makes gesture across neck
<whitequark>
interestingly enough, nope
<whitequark>
he got convicted for "kirovles" case
<whitequark>
the case itself boils down to this: navalny was doing business (buying things for X, selling for X+Y, keeping Y) and that turns out to be illegal
<whitequark>
if you've wtf'd, so is everyone else.
<alexgordon>
nope seems perfectly russian that that would be illegal!
<whitequark>
so, he got convicted and got 5 years suspended sentence
<whitequark>
which is harsh enough to not let him run for president in 2018 (hence putin clearly views him as competition, unlike anyone else around)
<whitequark>
but not too harsh to cause mass revolts or something (as it has happened earlier)
<whitequark>
the end result will be that navalny definitely will not run for president but will continue to walk free and fuck him in a multitude of various other ways
<alexgordon>
heh
<alexgordon>
that's nice of him, I mean putin must be getting pretty lonely now
<whitequark>
he *almost* passed legally as the mayor of moscow
<whitequark>
considering he has no support from the state and like $300k for his volunteer-run campaign that's pretty impressive
<whitequark>
the results got tampered with, but it seems that he wouldn't become a mayor anyhow, by a really really thin margin. bad luck.
<whitequark>
i really wish he did pass. that would result in either a really great mayor, a really great entertainment, or both
ELLIOTTCABLE is now known as kellysaurusx
<kellysaurusx>
alexgordon: that ‘russian ambulance’ looks pretty damn familiar.
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx?
<kellysaurusx>
alexgordon: minus the red/white paint, it looks nearly identical to a flavor of vehicle that a reasonable number of old family friends in Alaska owned
<kellysaurusx>
twitter.com/kellysaurusx
<whitequark>
kellysaurusx: I guess similar requirements
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx: what the actual fuck?
<kellysaurusx>
argos are really popular up there, too
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx: what's with the name
<alexgordon>
and picture
<alexgordon>
and
<alexgordon>
what?
<kellysaurusx>
my family only had fairly standard wheelers
<kellysaurusx>
the hardest-core we ever got was Kenda Executioner tires
<kellysaurusx>
alexgordon: hallow'een
<kellysaurusx>
hm
<alexgordon>
ah
<kellysaurusx>
hallowe'en?
<kellysaurusx>
that.
<alexgordon>
all hallows' eve?
<kellysaurusx>
she's a good friend, who changed her username a while back. I quietly snatched up the old one.
<kellysaurusx>
All Hallows' Evening.
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx: so this is like, reverse stalking?
<yorick>
basically kids go past doors with lights and ask candy.
<alexgordon>
interesting
<kellysaurusx>
whitequark: re: insanities, what micah's been calling bubbling and what he and you were talking about,
<alexgordon>
"I invented Ruby, Node.js, and all of the LISPs.
<alexgordon>
<kellysaurusx>
transactions is a very interesting way to put it, because at least in terms of memory-management, that might as well be what it is
<alexgordon>
Now I'm inventing Paws.
<alexgordon>
<alexgordon>
"
<alexgordon>
this guy is such a nobhead
<kellysaurusx>
alexgordon: you *just* noticed? that's been my bio for aaaaages now.
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx: funny thing is, you always tweet when I'm asleep
<alexgordon>
like, I never see your tweets
<alexgordon>
even though you tweet so much
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<kellysaurusx>
hm
<kellysaurusx>
I need to start using one of those fucktard-empowering ‘social media’ suites
<kellysaurusx>
that, like, spread your inanity evenly over all the common time-zones, concentrating it around the most popular twitter-using periods of each time-zone
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx: your twitter friends are strange
<kellysaurusx>
how's that
<kellysaurusx>
so, yeah, transactions, hm
<alexgordon>
yes exactly
<kellysaurusx>
yes, whitequark, time-travel is intended to be delineated
<kellysaurusx>
but at the moment, *how* is a bit up-in-the-air.
<whitequark>
ah, so THAT is what you guys call time-travel
<kellysaurusx>
I tend towards weird solutions (or “innovative” ones if I want to pump up my ego a bit more than it already is),
<whitequark>
also who the hell are you?..
<whitequark>
oh
<whitequark>
ec.
<kellysaurusx>
but just ‘make the programmer say when they want to start a transaction, and then say when they want to commit it’ isn't enough for me.
<alexgordon>
kellysaurusx: give me sweets
<kellysaurusx>
I *know* there's another approach to this, from a D.I. point of view.
* whitequark
nods
<kellysaurusx>
but yes:
<whitequark>
kellysaurusx: you probably want to check whether it's safe, anyway
<kellysaurusx>
time-travel (pending re-naming to “transactions”, in the Great Paws Renaming of 2013) boils down to,
<whitequark>
and if you DO check, you almost always have better approaches than "let the programmer specify everything"
<whitequark>
e.g. typing / type inference.
<kellysaurusx>
undelineated transactions.
<kellysaurusx>
nope, no typing.
<kellysaurusx>
Paws has one type, and no object-system. That's final, and settled.
<kellysaurusx>
If *nothing else*, I want it for philosophical reasons: anybody contributing to, or working on, Paws, can never get the wrong idea about where their priorities should lie, if the language is old-school “dynamic.”
<whitequark>
nonono, not talking about paws at all
<whitequark>
I mean
<whitequark>
that *when* you have typing, it's also natural to add type inference.
<kellysaurusx>
oh, missed a message. I HATE irc cloud, it colors my own messages the same colour as messages hi lighting me
<whitequark>
compared to: *when* you have transactions with more safety checking
<whitequark>
you likely can make them more convenient.
<kellysaurusx>
so I always ignore messages hi lighting me, because they look like more of my own text that *I wrote*, so I wouldn't *need* to read it.