ELLIOTTCABLE changed the topic of #elliottcable to: #ELLIOTTCABLE — “do something cool, shove it into throats, everyone thinks it's crap, then it's all amazing.” “everything else is just details.”
<alexgordon>
ELLIOTTCABLE: O_°
<purr>
<alexgordon> (that was an enema joke, my first ever)
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<whitequark>
alexgordon: lol I've seen that picture already
<purr>
lol
<whitequark>
also I'm not slapping a type system over an existing language
<whitequark>
I'm slapping an existing syntax over a new language
<whitequark>
which is evil too, but at least not as silly
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<niggler>
the microsoft one claims that it's undefined
<niggler>
the apple one says its 0xF8FF and the comment is "apple logo"
<niggler>
so I'm wondering what String.fromCharCode(0xF8FF) looks like on windows
<devyn>
# NOTE: The graphic image associated with the Apple logo character
<devyn>
# is not authorized for use without permission of Apple, and
<devyn>
# unauthorized use might constitute trademark infringement.
<devyn>
it probably looks like an unrecognized char mark
<devyn>
it's in the Unicode Private Use range
<devyn>
which means it depends on font
<devyn>
can be used for anything
<niggler>
yeah it pisses me off
<devyn>
lol, why?
<purr>
lol
<niggler>
it exists to piss me off, just like the damn arabic percent sign
<niggler>
long story short: i need to figure out how to parse strings under various codepage encodings
<niggler>
the whole concept of excel for windows/mac is an afterthought when it comes to compatibility because excel for mac defaults to code page 10000, which is the mac roman that i linked to
<niggler>
so =CODE(240) looks really weird in windows excel
<niggler>
but the worst codepage by far is the one arabic codepage that replaced % with ٪
<niggler>
and because of that, you can't assume that the ASCII segment of the codepages are [reserved
<devyn>
pre-unicode encodings are a bitch
<devyn>
hence, unicode
<niggler>
some of us still have to deal with those pre-unicode encodings
<devyn>
including me
<devyn>
luckily the extent of it is ISO8859-1
<devyn>
which is relatively sane
<niggler>
ACTUALLH
<niggler>
fucking mozilla
<niggler>
so there are some arcane codepages like 708
<niggler>
ASMO-708 Arabic
<devyn>
what the fuck
<niggler>
and there's a "bug" insofar as mozilla software (firefox, mozilla, thunderbird etc) alias it to the ISO-8859-6 arabic codepage
<niggler>
but they aren't the same
<niggler>
like, the only thing that ASMO-708 and ISO-8859-6 share is the fact that they are both "arabic"
<niggler>
*their names contain the word arabic
<devyn>
mm
<niggler>
so I'm debating whether to "fix firefox" or "make a hack for FF" or "ignore FF"
<niggler>
and honestly, i don't know how deep the problem is (with regards to other inconsistent codepage treatments), so I'm tempted to fuck FF entirely
<niggler>
and the fact that it's not the most popular or even second most popular browser makes the decision somewhat easy
<devyn>
well, report it anyway
<purr>
<elliottcable> anything ending in a period, basically
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<purr>
<purr> !vehicles
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
'allo, all
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hey, othiym23. Sorry that I didn't get back in here, yesterday.
<purr>
<alexgordon> joelteon: you might be high, but you're not THAT high
<othiym23>
no problem, I was kind of an exhausted wreck yesterday anyway
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
othiym23: riiiight!?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
Not feeling as refreshed today as I'd hoped to.
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
cuttle: you awake?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yrashk: who's t_sl…?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yrashk: yrashk yrashk yryr
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
aw;krjoitaoite
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm really, really not getting all that much out of RealtimeConf, in terms of tech.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
the biggest deal was finding out A) that WebRTC exists (HOW DID I FUCKING MISS THIS THIS HAS SUCH INSANELY HUGE IMPLICATIONS FOR MY DISTRIBUTION PLANS WITH PAWS),
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and B) that XMPP is coming back onto the scene, in a big way. Which is relieving, and happy-making, and I'm so, so, so for.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but that's, like, information I could have discovered from one well-placed blog-post in my Twitter stream. /=
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
so, basically,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I paid $600 a head for Chelsea and myself, more for tickets and hotel and dinners,
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
for a two-day hard-core ARG experience.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and, it was insanely totally worth the money, and my time.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
just, sayin'. Unexpected.
<yrashk>
ELLIOTTCABLE: lol
<purr>
lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
hi, yrashk
<yrashk>
hi ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yrashk: I'm so sad that I missed out on ErlangFactoryLite in chitown
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
realtalk, though:
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
getting tired of Erlangers being the new Lisp nuts.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
a *lot* of Erlang people, at least those of them that land on my radar, seem to be really One True Language about the whole thing. Which you know well, pisses me off.
<yrashk>
ELLIOTTCABLE: can I piss you off?
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
sure, hit me
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I'm always down to argue ;)
<yrashk>
Erlang is the One True Language
* ELLIOTTCABLE
slaps yrashk
<yrashk>
that's not an argument
<yrashk>
truth to be said, though, escaping the gravitation of Erlang is hard
<yrashk>
you go out and explore and find some really weird stupid shit in other languages
<yrashk>
and you're like, fuck it
* ELLIOTTCABLE
shrugs
<purr>
¯\(º_o)/¯
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
and that's fine.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I've got no arguments, or beliefs, against a *home language*.
<yrashk>
like this whole random case selection in Go
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
I love Ruby. And unfortunately, I love JavaScript.
<yrashk>
I am happy my home language is Elixir
<yrashk>
I am always curious and on the lookout, tho
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<yrashk>
that's why I kept reading up on Go
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
but yeah. Elixir has me a bit excited.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
shutup sephr.
<yrashk>
because many people seem to be excited about it
<yrashk>
but I couldn't understand why
<yrashk>
and still can't
<yrashk>
but I geuss after 12 years of exposure to Erlang, it is indeed hard for me to evaluate other platforms
<yrashk>
I know it well, I think in its terms, etc.
<yrashk>
also being part of elixir core dev team, helps understanding elixir quite well
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<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yrashk: hi.
<ELLIOTTCABLE>
yrashk: sorry, intermission. was talking to tristan. (=