<whitequark>
no seriously, drop a letter or something
<yorickpeterse>
and here you were considering fleeing the motherland
<whitequark>
not contradictory
<glowcoil>
ugh scraped my finger closing a tightly packed drawer last night
<whitequark>
overseas folks would be registered within an overseas (US) company
<glowcoil>
folding laundry
<glowcoil>
tore the cuticle and bled ridiculously
<whitequark>
ugh
<alexgordon>
"Agile web development with Ruby on Rails agile development with short iterations, behavior-driven development" holy buzzwords
<yorickpeterse>
I think I can sum up $WORK as following:
<yorickpeterse>
"Holy shit balls I'm amazed this works and oh fuck Mongo is down again"
<whitequark>
I don't know who the fuck put that part about BDD there
<whitequark>
there ain't no cucumber
<glowcoil>
whitequark: sounds like probably a cool place to work
<yorickpeterse>
ignoring the bits where we're actually improving things, a lot
<whitequark>
glowcoil: duh!
<whitequark>
I honestly don't think I can get an offer which would make me switch places
<glowcoil>
so if i want to apply or whatever is there just the email on the front page, or what
<glowcoil>
although
<whitequark>
glowcoil: obey@evl.ms
<glowcoil>
my online presence is kind of pitiful
<glowcoil>
i have like, 2 unfinished projects on github
<glowcoil>
lol
<purr>
lol
<whitequark>
and no, that's not a joke email
<alexgordon>
whitequark: I'm guessing the pay is more Soviet Union than Bay Area though?
<whitequark>
it's an official™ one
<whitequark>
alexgordon: "it depends",
<whitequark>
well, definitely not bay area
<whitequark>
because that's fucking ridiculous
<alexgordon>
right. jeannicolas makes $300k
<alexgordon>
;)
<whitequark>
yeah and how much of that went to taxes and rent?
<whitequark>
lemme guess, about $200k
<glowcoil>
haha
<alexgordon>
whitequark: he lives in montreal
<alexgordon>
:P
<whitequark>
okay
<whitequark>
still
<alexgordon>
doesn't actually make 300k :P
<whitequark>
show me a figure *after* taxes
<whitequark>
ok
<yorickpeterse>
My tax rate should be 43%
<yorickpeterse>
Yet I pay around 28%, no idea how that works
<whitequark>
glowcoil: lack of online presence is ok
<alexgordon>
whitequark: but anyway, he's... relatively well off
<whitequark>
glowcoil: I'll tell folks I know you so you'll get an interview for sure
<whitequark>
alexgordon: well... ok? I'm definitely not complaining about pa
<whitequark>
*pay
<alexgordon>
whitequark: right but you live in russia
<glowcoil>
whitequark: that would be really cool
<glowcoil>
whitequark: thank you
<glowcoil>
I'll try to email later today
<glowcoil>
I'd better go shower for class
<yorickpeterse>
is this some reverse Russian bride thing?
<glowcoil>
waking up on time feels good
<alexgordon>
yorickpeterse: HAHA
<alexgordon>
whitequark: my question was, do you have to live in russia/thailand/etc? or would you be able to afford to live in london
<alexgordon>
I guess singapore is reasonably expensive
<yorickpeterse>
London is also pretty god damn expensive
<alexgordon>
yorickpeterse: tell me about it!
<yorickpeterse>
Amsterdam is also expensive, but you'd be living in an apartment of which the floor is at a 45 degree angle
alexgordon is now known as drparse
<glowcoil>
wait drparse where do you live currently
<drparse>
yorickpeterse: netherlands is actually relatively cheap compared to UK
<drparse>
even amsterdam
<drparse>
glowcoil: london
<yorickpeterse>
True, but relatively to NL itself Amsterdam is a pretty shit area to live, at least in the centre
<glowcoil>
drparse: ok
<drparse>
glowcoil: where did you think I lived? :P
<glowcoil>
drparse: haha i didn't remember, thought you might be living outside the uk or something
<glowcoil>
:p
<drparse>
glowcoil: that's the dream.
<yorick>
working in the bay area is actually kindof hard as a non-american
<drparse>
glowcoil: I want to retire to a house near the beach in the tropics or something
* glowcoil
nods
<drparse>
glowcoil: if I haven't retired by 30 I will consider myself a failure ;)
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: also FYI, Mongo will be gone in a month or 2
<yorickpeterse>
at least that's the plan
<whitequark>
drparse: well let's say, you could definitely afford to live where yorickpeterse does
<whitequark>
Hilversum, NL
<drparse>
oh ok
<whitequark>
probably not in bay area. London is what, one of three cities more expensive than Moscow?
<whitequark>
London, NY, Berlin iirc was it
<drparse>
berlin? no way
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: that very much depends on the region
<drparse>
berlin is cheap as chips
<yorickpeterse>
I'm pretty sure nobody except for scumbag bankers can afford in the north west
<whitequark>
cool, I wanna live in berlin for a few years
<drparse>
whitequark: cheap beer, cheap rent, cheap food, what else do you need :D
<whitequark>
lax RoHS regulation
<drparse>
metro is kinda expensive though, also mandatory health insurance is expensive
<whitequark>
oh yea, heard about health insurance thing
<whitequark>
though to me it seems more like "decently expensive" thing rather than "what the fuck is up with you, US" thing
<drparse>
yeah probably 1/10 of the price :P
<drparse>
I think it's like 200€/month or something? better ask cloudhead
<whitequark>
I heard you get a good discount if you buy it for a year
<drparse>
whitequark: there's always poland!
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: also are you saying I'm poor because I live in Hillywood? EH?
<drparse>
whitequark: anyway sign me up for whatever it is you do there xD
<whitequark>
drparse: sign you up for what?
<whitequark>
work at evl.ms?
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: well I wouldnt consider myself "poor"
<whitequark>
hence, no
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: haha I know, but it sounded a bit like "lol you can live where that peasant yorick lives"
<purr>
lol
<yorickpeterse>
which isn't far from the truth, my place is pretty affordable
<whitequark>
rather on contrary, I meant it as "you can afford a decent european lifestyle"
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: yeah hilversum's a total shithole :P
<yorickpeterse>
Hush, you live with your parents
<yorickpeterse>
I think
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: probably, but that's mostly because I don't have a job
<drparse>
whitequark: yah, ... well not at the moment I'm snowed under, but it sounds interesting
<whitequark>
drparse: drop a letter to obey@ too, we always can talk :p
<yorickpeterse>
yorick: well apparently whitequark is hiring like mad
<drparse>
reverse russian bride
<drparse>
also, is yorick not the same as yorickpeterse?
<yorickpeterse>
No
<yorickpeterse>
We are different people
<drparse>
wtf?
<yorick>
no
<yorickpeterse>
living in the same town
<yorick>
yeah I know right
<yorickpeterse>
like 500m away for each other
<drparse>
whitequark: if glowcoil gets a job there it may well collapse by the sheer weight of the combined IQ points
<yorick>
whitequark: what are you hiring for
<glowcoil>
lol awwwww drparse
<purr>
lol
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: I could go to Olery we'd have the same job and take the same train :P
<glowcoil>
drparse: is dr. parse being paged elsewhere right now?
<drparse>
glowcoil: whitequark: guys make me feel dumb <3
<yorickpeterse>
yorick: how romantic
<whitequark>
drparse: lol
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: what linux distro is on your macbook
<yorickpeterse>
Arse linux
<yorick>
ah great I have that as well! :P
<whitequark>
yorick: evil martians are a webdev consultancy mainly
<whitequark>
rails but also scala, erlang, go and all that hipster shit^W^W
<yorick>
whitequark: haskell?
<yorick>
whitequark: node?
<whitequark>
node no, if I ever learn someone uses node I'd fucking burn all that with fire
<whitequark>
haskell no, I don't think we have a lot of people who know it well enough to use in production
<whitequark>
however if you can motivate the usage of haskell for a certain new project it may well happen
<yorick>
whitequark: where are you based
<drparse>
yorick too? :D
<yorickpeterse>
yorick: USSR
<whitequark>
yorick: technically Moscow but that's irrelevant. legally so far it's Russia but that's going to change rather quickly. people live all around the world
<yorick>
whitequark: what's the pay?
<whitequark>
it's at least Moscow, SPb, Ukraine, Singapore, Thailand
<whitequark>
maybe something else
<yorickpeterse>
yorick: in all seriousness, we're probably more interested in more experienced devs
<yorickpeterse>
That is, I'm personally at least taking a stance against hiring juniors/moar interns because of the work load
<yorickpeterse>
and I want some person I can throw shit at and know they don't go "OH MAH GERD THE PRESSURE"
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: you're going "oh mah gerd the pressure" in here all the time
<yorick>
remember that time you had to bundle prolog
<yorickpeterse>
That's unrelated to pressure
<yorickpeterse>
That's just my hatred for a lot of things
<yorickpeterse>
By pressure I mean work stress, etc
<yorickpeterse>
Also, if I look at co-workers I'd say I'm probably one of the more stress-proof nerds here
<yorick>
yorickpeterse: okay. what do you suggest I do then?
* yorick
is thinking of making a failing startup
<yorickpeterse>
yorick: whatever interests you
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark's company probably pays more than we do too
<whitequark>
okay so
<whitequark>
glowcoil: drparse: how good are you at webdev?
<whitequark>
and related topics
<drparse>
whitequark: frontend or backend?
<whitequark>
drparse: we do both
<whitequark>
so, whatever you like more
<yorick>
whitequark: I do node.js backend stuff sometimes :P
<drparse>
I've done php and django and a bit of rails
<drparse>
I'm no html/css wizard but I've made a lot of websites
<drparse>
oh node.js too
<whitequark>
drparse: okay, that's fine
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<gq>
attn: butts
<glowcoil>
whitequark: my uncle paid me to make him a website a few months back and since then i've been in high demand with family members/acquaintances haha
<drparse>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<drparse>
gq!
<glowcoil>
whitequark: I'm really familiar with frontend at this point
<glowcoil>
whitequark: used php a ton a *looong* time ago, I've used various things a couple times like clojure or ruby or something but not super extensively recently
<glowcoil>
hi gq
<joelteon>
time to learn clojure
<joelteon>
how can i be a rockstar without it
<glowcoil>
clojure is fun
<glowcoil>
it's like a slightly more pragmatic haskell
<gq>
hi devyn
<glowcoil>
though less pragmatic re syntax
<gq>
drparse: should...should i know who you are?
<gq>
lol
<gq>
drparse: nvm, got it
drparse is now known as alexgordon
<gq>
drparse: i am mentally calling you Dr Pepper
<gq>
so that's alright tho
<alexgordon>
ha
<alexgordon>
does dr pepper still exist?
<gq>
alexgordon: i have half a 24 pack in the room as we speak
<gq>
so, if it doesn't, i have been very thoroughly tricked.
<alexgordon>
used to see ads for it all the time, but it disappeared a few years ago
<gq>
you haven't missed anything
<glowcoil>
dr pepper is great
<glowcoil>
lol
<whitequark>
alexgordon: it very much exists in RU
<gq>
they debuted something called Dr Pepper 10 a bit ago
<whitequark>
though I don't get it but some of our guys really like it
<gq>
with 10 calories
<gq>
tagline in ads:
<gq>
IT'S NOT FOR WOMEN
<glowcoil>
for reasons unknown my friends call it "dead rat"
<alexgordon>
LOL
<purr>
LOL
<glowcoil>
oh yeah the 10 things
<glowcoil>
lol
<gq>
now that i remembered that exists i'm pissed off
<alexgordon>
gq: they stole that from snickers
<gq>
i may have to go back to drinking vanilla coke
<alexgordon>
is it snickers? or the other one
<gq>
alexgordon: yeah but i'm allergic to snickers so it had less relevance to me personally :P
<gq>
why do i still have the excel file with the numbers of washington marijuana dispensaries by county open
<alexgordon>
Yorkie, that's it
<gq>
...as well as an untitled notepad file, my downloads folder, and the charmap program
<glowcoil>
whitequark: oh shit this may sound dumb to you but it was really cool to me
<gq>
you mixed up yorkie and snickers?
<whitequark>
glowcoil: what was?
<alexgordon>
I don't eat either of them
<alexgordon>
so yeah
<gq>
also now i just imagined tasting them both at once and now i'm gagging
<whitequark>
drpepper?
<glowcoil>
whitequark: sitting in physics class, derived the q over a capacitor to discover i(t) for AC
<whitequark>
ahhh thats pretty neat
<gq>
minty peanuts. nope.jpg
<whitequark>
I've forgot all math I ever knew already
<alexgordon>
gq: I'm more of a Twix person
<glowcoil>
whitequark: haha
<gq>
alexgordon: me too!
<alexgordon>
that and kitkat
<glowcoil>
ya twix and kitkat
<glowcoil>
isn't yorkie those ridiculous mint patties
<gq>
yes, glowcoil
<gq>
i like m&ms.
<glowcoil>
haha
<glowcoil>
they're ok but taste like markers
<whitequark>
glowcoil: alexgordon: btw I won't discuss interview in depth for obvious reasons, but you are expected to have a fairly extensive webdev background
<gq>
especially mini m&ms
<gq>
...
<gq>
markers?
<glowcoil>
whitequark: all right
<whitequark>
for example something like "how to avoid XSS" must be basic knowledge
<gq>
glowcoil: you were an advanced kid in kindergarten. everyone else ate crayons, you ate markers (apparently)
<glowcoil>
I think I know that kindo f stuff
<glowcoil>
gq: just mean, markers smell like ink
<glowcoil>
gq: m&ms taste like ink
<gq>
i...i see...
<gq>
oh man
<gq>
i used to work at a library
<gq>
one time two girls came in and spent a few hours drawing a poster display with permanent markers of various sizes
<gq>
the smell permeated the entire library
<gq>
all the staff was getting high
<gq>
it was awesome
<whitequark>
did the poster burn dow
<whitequark>
*down
<glowcoil>
lolol
<purr>
lolol
<gq>
possibly, i mean, i dont' know what they did with it after they left
<glowcoil>
whitequark: so hopefully i have a good enough knowledge of that kind of stuff
<whitequark>
then you'll be fine
<alexgordon>
whitequark: yah
<glowcoil>
mostly from reading the internet rather than writing things, to be honest
<glowcoil>
but it seems like there are enough bad web developres that every possible rookie mistake has been discussed over and over on blogs
<whitequark>
well you'd be asked to write some code
<whitequark>
so it'll become clear very quickly whether you can apply it or not :p
<glowcoil>
ok :p
<glowcoil>
should i become familiar with RoR in specific
<whitequark>
that would certainly be a big plus
<glowcoil>
i'm sure i could apply it, just don't know specific apis very well
<glowcoil>
on server side
<whitequark>
well, what you need is to write quality code in agreed timespan
<whitequark>
how exactly you manage to do it is mostly irrelevant
<whitequark>
I mean, just like on real-world stuff.
<glowcoil>
ok yeah
<yorickpeterse>
glowcoil: shouldn't you be paying attention to class instead of chatting with elderly men on IRC?
<glowcoil>
yorickpeterse: lol it has at least 50% of my attention
<purr>
lol
<glowcoil>
yorickpeterse: and whitequark is like, not much older than me
<glowcoil>
whitequark: right?
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark is 53 so I doubt that
<whitequark>
I'm 20
<whitequark>
almost 21
<yorickpeterse>
heh, and here I was thinking you were around 25-26
<glowcoil>
2 yrs older than me
<whitequark>
I was initially thinking everyone except me is around 25-26
<whitequark>
here
<whitequark>
seems like a common bias
<glowcoil>
yeah
<yorickpeterse>
well suddenly I don't feel that young anymore
<yorickpeterse>
Bow before me meager peasants
<gq>
everyone here is like 5 years old
<gq>
all wunderkind baby coders recruited by Elliott the Mad
<gq>
i am turning 25 on wednesday!
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: that's not "old", that's "delusional"
<yorickpeterse>
heh
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<glowcoil>
gq: neat, happy birthday
<glowcoil>
it's my little sister's birthday today
<glowcoil>
going home to visit
<yorickpeterse>
whitequark: but no seriously, you look older than 20
<yorickpeterse>
(in the good non creepy way)
<whitequark>
yorickpeterse: where exactly could you look at me?
<whitequark>
there's like one photo of me on the net and it's in RU
<yorickpeterse>
Yes there is, hold up
<yorickpeterse>
of that Russian conf you went to to give your Foundry talk