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<eligrey> joining more than 1 ELLIOTTCABLE channel at a time /has/ to be bad for your health
<eligrey> i'm not even a doctor and i can tell
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<glowcoil> this strip is 100% cute: http://questionablecontent.net/view.php?comic=2453
<alexgordon> glowcoil: I don't get it
<alexgordon> same with all QC strips
<alexgordon> shit has even less context than eastenders
<glowcoil> alexgordon: cute attractive people drawings, characters living real life that you can get to know like friends
<glowcoil> and get invested in
<alexgordon> ah
<alexgordon> so it's like a soap
<alexgordon> lol cute attractive people drawings
<purr> lol
<glowcoil> yeah it is basicallya soap
<alexgordon> why am I not surprised that geeks resort to _drawings_ of attractive people
* glowcoil rolls eyes
<alexgordon> sorry ;)
<glowcoil> comics are cool
<devyn> drawings can be better than real life
<alexgordon> glowcoil: mmm I guess, I never really got into them
<glowcoil> also they're about a billionth of the budget
<glowcoil> :p
<glowcoil> so like one guy can start drawing a great webcomic
<glowcoil> without working his way up the tv totem pole and then having his creative vision bastardized by lots of fudning
<glowcoil> so like, the unique creative vision has more chance of coming through
<devyn> this song is so sexy
<devyn> haha
<devyn> just learning about this now?
<glowcoil> haha
<glowcoil> :p
<glowcoil> devyn: very groovy
<glowcoil> weird lyrics, weird pronunication :p
<glowcoil> but i really like this
<devyn> haha
<devyn> Tokyo Jihen is just fantastic
<devyn> and the singer, Shiina Ringo, had a good solo career too
<devyn> before
<devyn> (yes, ringo as in 林檎 as in 'apple')
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<glowcoil> god this is great
<purr> <elliottcable> !nautical themed pashmima afghan
<glowcoil> devyn: neat
<glowcoil> reminds me of:
<glowcoil> (looking for it)
<devyn> http://s.devyn.me/tokyo-jihen-shuraba.mp3 and this; I love how latin this feels
<glowcoil> omg i googled "jazz singer and bassist"
<glowcoil> and it came up
<devyn> gahahahaha
<devyn> oh man this is nice
<devyn> I love the way she sings
<glowcoil> yeah absolutely
<glowcoil> she's incredible
<glowcoil> GOD the chorus
<glowcoil> this shit's pretty nostalgic for me
<glowcoil> not this song specifically but the genre
<glowcoil> because my dad played a lot of it
<devyn> :D
<devyn> yeah I love it
<devyn> so much
<glowcoil> man it's hard to sing right
<glowcoil> haha
<glowcoil> oh my god we can stop making music
<glowcoil> we made the best ones
<glowcoil> (listening to more esperanza spalding)
* Determinist lights a cig and ponders
<glowcoil> also give this a listen devyn
<Determinist> japanese culture is... complicated.
<Determinist> fascinating, but oh so complicated.
<glowcoil> the studio recording didn't come up on youtube
* glowcoil shruge
<glowcoil> studio one is better
<glowcoil> why am i so bad at life
<glowcoil> ugh
<devyn> glowcoil: I don't really like his singing very much
<whitequark> why is tokio hotel trending in moscow ಠ_ಠ
<whitequark> oh, it's just everywhere
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<devyn> wat
<glowcoil> devyn: yeah hm i liked it better on the studio one
* glowcoil shruge
<devyn> you gotta admit though, armenian script is neat looking http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:%22Chess_in_Armenia%22_magazine_logo.png
<glowcoil> hm blocky
<devyn> Շախմատային Հայաստան
<devyn> (non stylized)
<devyn> I like georgian more though
<devyn> it looks latin but prettier
<devyn> specifically the most modern one, Mkhedruli
<devyn> hhhholly shit
<devyn> hold on
<devyn> lol
<purr> lol
<devyn> georgians get really fucked over with unicode haha
<joelteon> "no URLs found"
<joelteon> ok cool
<joelteon> i trust you, urlview
<joelteon> that's a long URL anyway
<devyn> it is but I think each georgian character ends up being three bytes
<devyn> in UTF-8
<devyn> because it's not near the beginning of the unicode range
<devyn> so it gets very long
<devyn> lol
<devyn> oh, and then of course, url encoding so each byte becomes another three bytes
<devyn> so 9 bytes to each georgian char
<devyn> lol
<devyn> :S
<joelteon> well someone has to bend over
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<devyn> and it's just an alphabet, so it doesn't even have the benefit of conciseness that CJK have
<devyn> but CJK are also three UTF-8 bytes
<devyn> usually
<devyn> I think
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<devyn> Georgian has an interesting sound to it, too
<devyn> sounds kind of greek
<glowcoil> devyn: i'd bet they're all related, pretty geographically close?
<glowcoil> maybe?
<glowcoil> idk
<eligrey> omg my song edned just as the scene ended
<eligrey> ended*
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> hi, all
<ELLIOTTCABLE> OH MY GOD QUESTIONABLE CONTENT, GLOWCOIL
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I FORGOT INTERNET COMICS EXISTED. COMPLETELY FORGOT.
<vigs> COMICS? ON THE INTERNET?
<vigs> STOP THE PRESSES
<ELLIOTTCABLE> shut up vigs you don't even write a Paws
<devyn> GUISE UNIDAN POSTED TO /R/GONEWILD AS A HOT REDHEAD
<devyn> WOMAN
<vigs> ELLIOTTCABLE: I don't know what a Paws is.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> that's a lie
<ELLIOTTCABLE> what do you even do, do you even Paws
<ELLIOTTCABLE> -are you paws? @ vigs
<purr> vigs: yes, dad, I am paws.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> devyn: what?
<vigs> So…purr is paws?
<devyn> ELLIOTTCABLE: Unidan, reddit-famous field biologist
<devyn> he's a guy.
<devyn> but for april fools.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> lolol devyn, that's great
<purr> lolol
<devyn> he posted to an amateur porn subreddit.
<devyn> as a woman.
<devyn> hahaha
<vigs> amaze
<devyn> he confused so many people who don't know he's a guy
<devyn> hahaha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> s/confused/excited/
<devyn> oh and he got a lot of the women on /r/gonewild going after him in the comments
<devyn> well that too
<devyn> haha
<ELLIOTTCABLE> going after him?
<devyn> like, "I want you in my pants, now" kind of thing
<ELLIOTTCABLE> oh lol
<ELLIOTTCABLE> >,<
<vigs> hahaha
<devyn> I thought this said "water supply agreement" at first
<devyn> why would AMD supply water to GF...
<devyn> oh
<devyn> :p
<eligrey> [song continues indistinctly]
<ELLIOTTCABLE> GF?
<eligrey> lies netflix
<eligrey> i can hear the lyrics fine
<devyn> GLOBALFOUNDRIES
<devyn> they're all caps, like you ELLIOTTCABLE
<ELLIOTTCABLE> omg we should be friends
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ♪ Handel's Violin in B flat
<purr> ELLIOTTCABLE: Song not found. ):
<ELLIOTTCABLE> you're a dick purr, a dickey dick
<glowcoil> a dickey dick
<glowcoil> more like Unidumb
<devyn> oh come on, Unidan's great
<devyn> he explains the things he knows about with such enthusiasm
<devyn> and he seems to be very good at what he does
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> glowcoil: hello
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: hello
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<glowcoil> :o::Oo:O::o;OO;o:Oo;:O
<ELLIOTTCABLE> working on Paws.js a little, before leaving to clean my house
<glowcoil> :o:O:OO:;oo'
<glowcoil> cool
<glowcoil> gona
<glowcoil> xplode
<ELLIOTTCABLE> glowcoil: bignic?
<glowcoil> glowcoil: ?
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: ?
<glowcoil> i follow him and maybe listened to his tunes one time
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ah? really? I love 'em so much
<ELLIOTTCABLE> i r a bad progrmr.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I dunno how tests. :x
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<devyn> I wish I could do tests at work, but they don't really give me time to
<devyn> and I don't think the time I would save would be quite worth it
<devyn> but I haven't done a lot in the past
<devyn> so maybe it would be
<devyn> not enough experience with that
<devyn> I'm definitely seeing just how useful it is now
<devyn> it can be tough when starting a project
<devyn> but by the time you're finishing and refactoring
<devyn> it's like
<devyn> omg
<devyn> I need tests
<devyn> :p
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> devyn: hi
<ELLIOTTCABLE> yes, I'm just, *bad* at testing some stuff.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> part of it is, I don't like purist-O.O., everything-is-an-object, nor purist-functional, approaches.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> I *like* some measure of global-state, or centralized imperative code, when that's the appropriate approach
<ELLIOTTCABLE> and I'm *really* bad at properly testing that shit /=
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<purr> <vil> "and ellio said LET THERE BE IRC"
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<prophile> global centralised imperative code is never the appropriate approach
<glowcoil> prophile: i would agree if all were designed with that mindset
<glowcoil> prophile: all tools/libraries*
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> prophile: disagree.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> of course, anybody who actually *likes* programming in Haskell, *would* say something like that.
<ELLIOTTCABLE> ಠ_ಠ
<ELLIOTTCABLE> actually, on a related note:
<ELLIOTTCABLE> to the, I am sure, shock of everyone present … my woes with testing patterns and shite recently are driving me to be *actually interested* in functional (well, declarative) programming. For the first time in my entire life, I'm looking forward to trying to learn it as an *actual tool*, instead of a curiosity. (For the static-analysis benefits, and the
<ELLIOTTCABLE> pervasive strict-typing that seems to apply to that field.)
<prophile> testable code is good code
<prophile> or so I'm told
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<ELLIOTTCABLE> @runarorama: Functional programming is "just another tool" in the sense that being honest is a technique in addition to just making things up.
* ELLIOTTCABLE sighs
* ELLIOTTCABLE headdesks
<ELLIOTTCABLE> glowcoil: Suddenly, I'm not so convinced that the advent of functional programming is synonymous with an end to oases of thought.
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<purr> <elliottcable> elliottcable can’t have popped his stack; elliottcable is a stackless implementation. elliottcable is pervasive fall-foward semantics.
<purr> <elliottcable> If you think anything important came out of Linus fucking around in his garage, then you’re naïve.
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<purr> <elliottcable> I must be drunk. I've spent the last N hours *styling my debugging output.*
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<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: of course it's not; most people think of functional as imperative minus most statements and mutability
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: and i'm also not as obsessive about there being entirely separate oases as i used to be
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: i think i insisted too hard with too few concrete examples
<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: but i do believe we can do a lot of cool things in the realm of paws and reactive stuff so
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<purr> <eboy> no one older than 34's name is devin
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<purr> <ELLIOTTCABLE> my period moved D:
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: oh god please stop using "strict typing"
<whitequark> you keep using that word, it doesn't mean what you think it means
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<whitequark> "static typing". "script typing" == "not fucking javascript"
<whitequark> er
<whitequark> "strict"
<ELLIOTTCABLE> whitequark: what?
<whitequark> ELLIOTTCABLE: "strict typing".
<whitequark> "strict typing" means lack of annoying implicit type conversions, like +""
<whitequark> ruby is strictly dynamically typed.
<whitequark> and, well, almost everything is strictly typed
<alexgordon> whitequark: I don't think strict typing means that at all
<whitequark> alexgordon: well, it's a weird synonym for "strong typing"
<whitequark> in fact, google even recognizes it a synonym if you search
<devyn_> Today
<devyn_> I actually found
<devyn_> a good use
<devyn_> for the 'redo' keyword in Ruby
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<devyn> finite state machine like processor script
<devyn> just something quick and dirty
<devyn> and
<devyn> I needed to look ahead, essentially
<devyn> maybe not what I mean
<devyn> anyway yeah
<devyn> it was weird that I remembered it because I don't think I've ever even used redo before
<devyn> ol
<devyn> lol*
<purr> lol
<devyn> same with Ruby's 'for' haha
<alexgordon> ugh I wish I had faster internet
<alexgordon> FUCK YOOOOOOU BT
<alexgordon> and FUCK YOOOOOOOU VIRGIN MEDIA
<joelteon> and fuck you virgin media
<joelteon> what's redo
<whitequark> alexgordon: 1) get three uplinks 2) install openwrt on your router 3) set up multiwan
<whitequark> in fact I'm going to get my second uplink tomorrow
<whitequark> because I'm fucking tired of my ISP having intermittent problems
<whitequark> THE BYTES MUST FLOW
<alexgordon> whitequark: interesting
<alexgordon> whitequark: I have 4G now
<alexgordon> I got a text about it
<alexgordon> my phone actually has faster internet than my broadband
<alexgordon> so if I combined them I could get ~30Mbps
<whitequark> did you get a text? or did you actually check the speed?
<whitequark> because that can differ in like, orders of magnitude
<alexgordon> yeah I checked it :P
<alexgordon> they just said "YOU HAVE 4G"
<alexgordon> it's only like 3 Mbps faster than whatever we had before (3.5G?) but what the hell
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<glowcoil> ELLIOTTCABLE: anyway oases will always exist, the point is that there are more than one
<glowcoil> but yeha
<whitequark> alexgordon: HSDPA
<whitequark> 3.5G does not exist, despite how much the marketing wants you to believe
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<glowcoil> whitequark: so do networks with data usually have packets
<glowcoil> whitequark: as opposed to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time-division_multiplexing
<whitequark> hrm
<whitequark> packet switching is more flexible if you don't have strict upper/lower limits on bandwidth
<alexgordon> whitequark: pre-4G? I dunno 3.5G sounds like a good term
<whitequark> but tdma is simpler
<alexgordon> I remember when 3G came out, it was certainly not pushing 9Mbps
<whitequark> alexgordon: [1-4]G have a strict ITU definition. 3.5G is some wet fantasy
<alexgordon> lol ok
<purr> lol
<alexgordon> THE THING THAT WE HAD BEFORE 4GB
<alexgordon> *4G
<whitequark> glowcoil: so like, I can't even remember any TDMA system except GSM
<glowcoil> whitequark: *nod* that's the only one I know :p
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<joelteon> is 5G a thing yet
<whitequark> no
<joelteon> rats
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